PowerLine (4mm) to distribution block or thicker guage guage cable?

I’m not sure if anyone makes a 10 sq. mm IEC lead?! 4 sq mm is only slightly thinner than 10AWG, but then a Powerline is as much about the fancy plugs at each end as it is about the wires. 

Interesting question ..but compromise has always to be made 

The heavy duty dedicated ring that naim recommend is something separate from the wires to the components

Naim would like you to have the dedicated ring.. with individual unstitched sockets ..with individual powerline cables to each component

If you want to do it with say one socket and a distribution block ...then accepted the compromise .. it will still sound great if you use quality accessory's

Don’t know if Music Line Powerigel is available were you are located. But if it is, well worth a test... IMO they are on to something with this common earth design, to me it just sounds right. Would be really interesting to hear the plus version (using power lines)!

Interesting question FZ. I hope that someone on the forum who uses a distribution block will be able to give you a steer. Failing that, my thought would be to try calling MusicWorks or a dealer who sells them to ask which cable they’d recommend? Alternatively, call Ray at Graham’s HiFi and ask him which socket connection cable he uses when he builds the Graham’s Hydra multi leads. I had one years ago and the single cable to the wall plug was definitely a lot more substantial than the individual supply leads that it fed. 

For what it’s worth my dealer uses musicworks with Naim powerline, even for Statement amps, sounds bloody wonderful.

Gazza posted:

For what it’s worth my dealer uses musicworks with Naim powerline, even for Statement amps, sounds bloody wonderful.

I can second that works well in my system.

Thanks Gazza/PCD, Just for clarity; you use Powerline from wall to block as well as multiple Powerlines from block to equipment- is that correct? 

Kevin, yes I use a Powerline from the wall socket to the Music works block then Powerlines to the Naim  boxes.

If you take this route  you will have to find out the recommended  sequence to connect the Naim equipment to the block my dealer carried out the installation so I wouldn’t have a clue?

I have powerline to a wire world block and then powerline to each component. The Nap 300 is powerline direct to socket. When money permits I will get a music works box.

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, neither the MusicWorks or Powerigel are available in, or certified for use in Japan. The latter would be impossible to accomplish too. I'm currently looking at a Furutech e-TP809 NCF but wondering if, given the compromises being made, the significantly easier to accommodate behind a rack (and significantly cheaper) e-TP66 NCF at 14AWG is not a wiser choice. The TP66 is a strip design and can be situated on it's side under a rack.

I've had my eye on the e-TP809 NCF for a while hoping to see a second hand one pop up but so far they never do. 

feeling_zen posted:

That's pretty much the question. I'm moving the hifi and swapping out bog standard distribution block for a higher quality (but non filtering) Furutech one that uses 10AWG internal wiring.

Naim also recommend 10mm mains wiring if your sparky will do it. But their own PowerLines use just 4mm conductors. So do you use a PowerLine to the distribution block or something with a more substantial guage considering a PowerLine is optimised for connecting one device, not six.

Hi

Naim would recommend 10 mm wiring from the electricity company to the house i suppose.

Then the 4 mm wires take over and these would be routed to your audio distribution board.

Please try a Nana wiremold L10320 extension board for Naim .

I tried that then realized i needed only 2 outlets ( CDP + amp ) then moved to a wooden box containing 2 receptacle USA outlet cryo treated. I took a 4 mm thk 3 core cable and connected that to the mains via a 15A plug and switch.

Hubbell 5832 cryo or cruzeaudio maestro are other receptacles which my friends here recommend.

i replaced the power cords with a cryo treated 10 gauge copper-copper power cord.

see what works for you.,

ofcourse - please use the services of a qualified electrician in your country for safety.

regards

Pcd posted:

Kevin, yes I use a Powerline from the wall socket to the Music works block then Powerlines to the Naim  boxes.

If you take this route  you will have to find out the recommended  sequence to connect the Naim equipment to the block my dealer carried out the installation so I wouldn’t have a clue?

If the power block is star earthed, the connection sequence should be immaterial, just like using an hydra.

One of the reasons I choose the Powerigel Plus was to avoid thinking about things like this. I knew how well the Powerline worked, especially on the SN2, and now have five of them. One from the wall to the Igel and four from the Igel to the components.

With the hedgehog (=Igel) unavailable in Japan probably the only thing you can gather from this is that a Powerline can and does work between wall and distribution block.

A lot of kind insight here from people.

It's clear from the answers that the core issue of whether matching the guage of the distribution block and lead to the block is a bit murky. So with this in mind, I've sat down and listed up a few key points for myself.

1) I've no idea what mains cable is behind the wall anyway. The standard used in Japan is actually 14-18AWG (18AWG being more common). 
2) Resistance does not present as a single point bottleneck. It is cumulative over a circuit between two endpoints. To that end, a thinner guage for X cm inside a distribution block or the cable to it might not be ideal for those with OCD, but it is also not the end of the world performance-wise.
3) The standard Naim leads supplied before PowerLine are 14AWG.
4) The Furutech e-TP809 NCF is, size-wise, probably not consistent with my stated goal in my other thread, "It's about to get ugly (literally)". It is also about $3K.
5) In a few years we will have build a house from scratch and most of these issues around distribution blocks will be nullified by what I hope will be a no compromise mains installation.
6) From the brands that are available to me, Furutech is one I trust, having used various products for years. Naim also seem to have faith in them for non UK PowerLine terminations. 

Which takes me to what I think is a logical and pragmatic decision. I'll use a Furutech e-TP66 strip (14AWG internal) and just get another PowerLine to it. It will fit under the racks. Cost 10% of the other model I had been chasing, and in a couple years when it is no longer needed, it can go on the office system.

I guess the lesion here (mainly to myself), is to not get carried away with these things and keep it realistic and practical and don't obsess over something that has too many other variables of which I have no control over anyway.

Hi FZ,

this sounds like a good plan to my ears. I still remember most of the thoughts I had before settling on the Igel. Powerlines were best on the SN2 and turntable, for the NDAC Vovox Textura was marginally better. The phono stage was fine with the stock cable. None of the different designs had the same AC plugs or even the same plating on the connectors. Now which distribution block and which cable between it and the wall? Far too many variables. The Igel took all these thoughts away and made me comfortable, good sounding too.

Writing all this reminds me of the Furutech outlet still in a drawer. I had to get a rhodium plated one to match the Schuko plug .

i am planning to go in few months on a better power block with power cable: i hesitate between nordost qb8 with nordost frey, anzus mainz power block with anzus cord, or kharma supreme reference power block with power cord.   Around 3k each option.

Difficult to choose, no comparison possible....

French Rooster posted:

i am planning to go in few months on a better power block with power cable: i hesitate between nordost qb8 with nordost frey, anzus mainz power block with anzus cord, or kharma supreme reference power block with power cord.   Around 3k each option.

Difficult to choose, no comparison possible....

... and far too expensive, in my view. Have a look at Custom HiFi Cables. They make, among others, reasonably priced distribution blocks. I have a PowerBlack cable from CHC and I have ordered an eight outputs distribution block.

nbpf posted:

French Rooster posted:

i am planning to go in few months on a better power block with power cable: i hesitate between nordost qb8 with nordost frey, anzus mainz power block with anzus cord, or kharma supreme reference power block with power cord.   Around 3k each option.

Difficult to choose, no comparison possible....

... and far too expensive, in my view. Have a look at Custom HiFi Cables. They make, among others, reasonably priced distribution blocks. I have a PowerBlack cable from CHC and I have ordered an eight outputs distribution block.

i have a good power block already but i am convinced of the impact of upgrading this part.

Some here have anzus, nordost, or music works power blocks and are very satisfied.  

I had the cheap naim power block first and now an mpc melodie ( around 400 eur).  It made a very clear improvement.

Some have chord music or sarum power cords and found a. great improvement vs the powerline.