Leaving the Forum

I believe music is part of everyone's life, especially for audio enthusiasts who hang around on this Naim forum. Be it in the car, the house, the office, the shopping malls etc. You still got to listen to music even without some Naim equipment isn't it?

One thing that I agree with most people here is you don't need to spend a lot of money in enjoying music. Just a cheap and decent stereo system will do.

Take care and wish you all the best.

Through the last 40 years I have down sized several times and I am sure I will do it again when its all said and done its really the music. With that being said its easy to get lost in the gear. Man gets bored and starts on these journeys and it ends up costing a lot.

Be well and good luck!

I don't know the details of Peter's circumstances, or what Naim kit he owns - or has owned in the past.

By I do know that, currently, one can buy older Naim kit (chrome bumper and olive) at very cheap prices - for much less money than before the global recession hit.

If Peter happens to be feeling a bit oppressed by whatever curved ball life has thrown him, then it may be that he'll feel even worse battling on without his beloved Naim kit and music. Giving up the things in life that one really enjoys is not necessarily a good way of coping with a "downer". 

So, if I was Peter, I might just shop around Naim dealers and the internet auction sites to see if I could find something in reasonable condition that I could scrounge up enough money to buy.

I don't think buying a used Sanyo radio would bring me much joy but if I could find, say, a 15 year old CD3 and a Nait3 at the right price and borrow/beg a pair of speakers from a mate, I think that might go some way to lifting my spirits. 

Peter - best wishes for getting through whatever ordeal you're facing. But do remember that you have friends on the forum who enjoy your contributions - and I daresay most of us wouldn't want you to be without your music and some Naim kit right now.

So, hang on in there Peter!

Engelbert

Goodbye 

I'm not a long-time forum participant, but what all the above replies tell me is that there is 

a genuine community here...with some very caring people.  Good luck and I hope I am

still around when you return. [Don't forget you could omit looking at the hifi corner, and

spend time on the music corner threads.]

Elbow, while I appreciate the sentiment, it won't happen.  For one it's against forum rules to offer anything for sale or "loan", for two if anything went wrong then responsibility potentially defaults to Naim as forum host.

You mean its against the rules for anyone except Naim.... lots of links and veiled and not so veiled references to Naim selling stuff here.

Do you really think so?

Have you recently been taken over by a teenage child?

"Freedom of expression is a basic human right and attempts to subvert it due to commercial interests should be resisted, as that just leads to corruption."

On a hifi forum, and on the subject of posting links, you might apply a sense of proportion.

Tony, you will find that Naim do not sell their hifi equipment directly to the general public, whether via this site or any other.  That is done via hifi dealers, who are all independent of Naim.  You'll note that the dealers are not allowed to sell anything or directly solicit custom via the Naim forum. A few may step right up to the line, but they know the rules and rarely, if ever try to cross it.

Without such rules it would be a total free for all.  I'm not so sure that would make the forum a better place, do you?

Would be nice if you would quote me in context next time.. 

Except the forum is full of links to place you can buy Naim gear (look no further than the big Naim logo at the top) and threads by Naim dealers at this and that show, and yet if someone posts a link to say PFM or even mentions its existence or the existence of somewhere else you can maybee get gear cheaper it gets deleted?

Moderated Reply: Links Removed

Full? Are you sure? Or perhaps just exaggerating.

The big link on the Naim logo takes you to the Naim website.  You cannot directly purchase any hifi equipment from there. It's Naim's forum so it would seem logical to have a link to Naim's website.

As for any Naim dealer/distributor links, these are very rarely ever allowed.  Any dealer links are only allowed on posts that have been vetted and approved by Naim (and often posted by Naim rather than the dealer or distributor) and usually pertain to a Naim sponsored event - the links giving more details on the event and the hosts or participants.   No dealer links are otherwise allowed and certainly never directly to an item of hifi that's for sale.

The Naim forum is there to facilitate open communication between Naim, its customers, its dealers and its distributors.  Using it to notify members of Naim-centric events is an important part of this.  And while it can be argued that the forum indirectly encourages purchases, as this very thread attests, it is not in itself a direct sales tool.

Anyway, Tony, it seems you still have issues with the rules and moderation on this forum.  I have requested before that any issues you may have should be directed in an email to Naim, either care of myself or Paul Stephenson (preferably me, because Paul is often very busy and keeps responses very brief).  That way, threads are not continually sidetracked like this one has become.

Personally, I'm happy that the forum stay the way it is. I come here to "talk hifi". If I want to buy, sell or exchange hifi kit, I go see my dealer - or onto an on-line auction site. That all seems simple enough - and appropriate - to me.

Naim provide us with the forum for discussions about hifi. It has a dealer network in place if we want to buy and sell kit. If the two functions got mixed, things would get messy quickly. I wouldn't want the forum to be hijacked by those who want to buy and sell - inevitably introducing all the advertising, negotiations, contracting, financing, delivery instructions, trader feedback etc etc etc that goes with it.

Let's keep the forum pure!

Engelbert

Don't worry - it's only hifi.  It's the music that matters.  

I've just indulged myself by upgrading the 'main' system but I get enormous pleasure from listening to great music on the iPod.

In some ways it's easier to enjoy the music at that level because one doesn't spend any time sub-conciously checking the 'hifi' aspect of the performance.

It may sound weird but sometimes I derive higher levels of listening pleasure from the car radio than the main system. If one doesn't think about the hi-fi aspects of the sound or quality of equipment, it will just come down to the music. Although higher quality gear will most indefinitely sound better, it may not necessarily commensurate with level of enjoyment.

I find that music sounds better in the car after I've listened to the same piece through the home system.  I guess the brain is better able to fill in what's missing this way.

Of course, much depends on the quality of the system in the car.  My Nakamichi does pretty well here compared to most I've heard, but the Naim for Bentley system is something else entirely...

Peter,

I logged on to the Forum way before I actually bought my first bit of Naim kit.

Wanted to hear what this mythical Naim sound was all about. Got great feedback from people like you. Keep posting.

Music is music.

And don't quit the forum - knowledge is always more important than opinion.

Best

Jon

When I'm driving my venerable Morris Minor 1000, there are many other noises aside from the music on the car's sound system.......

There is the noise of the engine, drivetrain, tyres and suspension. There is the noise of passengers - talking, snoring, belching and so forth. There is the noise of other vehicles - including their horns, sirens and whatever else. There is the noise generated by cities and aeroplanes, choppers etc - or the sounds of nature in the country. All of these things can impact on one's mood - positively or negatively.

In addition to noises, there is the dynamic effect of a car's motion on a person's physiology, as well as their psyche/mood.

Different smells likely also have an impact - try driving past a gasworks, a bakery or a brewery.

So, any comparison between listening to hifi music in a dedicated listening room and listening to music while travelling in a vehicle would be rather awkward - and difficult to carry out in any systematic manner. It would be a bit like comparing apples with eggs  

Thus, before you conclude that you enjoy listening to music on your Sanyo car radio more than listening to [the same] music on your 500 series Naim system in your acoustic-designed sitting-room, you might first consider the impact of factors such as the one's above.

It's not impossible at all that some people may enjoy motoring/travelling (even with the car radio switched off) more than they enjoy listening to their hifi at home.

Engelbert 

Things like this are much easier to say, and accept, when you have a choice.

Without the ability to excercise that choice, it can appear to be a cruel world.

And living in a world where others have choice and you don't, can sometimes seem a tad depressing.

Cheers

Don