Leaving the Forum
Posted by: pjl2 on 26 September 2011
I just wanted to post a quick note here to say that I am now leaving the Forum for the forseeable future. I can no longer afford to use Naim kit, though after around 25 years of enjoyment from it I am convinced it is the most musically satisfying equipment to own. If there is a "better way" then I could never be bothered to look for it, so satisfied was I with Naim. Hanging around here now is really doing me no good at all and to be honest it is leading to frustration at not being able to acquire what I would like to. One day I very much hope to be in a position to buy Naim again, but that is likely to be some time from now, so I have to make myself content with what I can afford - no point at all in hankering after the unobtainable. When the time is right I shall hopefully rejoin your ranks as a proud Naim owner. In the meantime, many thanks to those who have enjoyed reading at least some of my ramblings, and best wishes and good luck to everyone here. Live long and prosper!
Best wishes,
Peter
My advice......
Buy a good value second hand guitar/banjo/mandolin or whatever takes your fancy and start learning to play. Since I did this I've not critically listened to my system once. No time. The new instrument is so addictive. No more urges to upgrade and I now just use my hifi to actually .....you know......listen to music. That's if I can keep it on long enough to keep away from my practicing.
It really helped me when the upgrade obsession became ridiculous and I still enjoy my music, just in a more relaxed and interactive way.
Best of luck.
Jonathan
So, any comparison between listening to hifi music in a dedicated listening room and listening to music while travelling in a vehicle would be rather awkward - and difficult to carry out in any systematic manner. It would be a bit like comparing apples with eggs
Thus, before you conclude that you enjoy listening to music on your Sanyo car radio more than listening to [the same] music on your 500 series Naim system in your acoustic-designed sitting-room, you might first consider the impact of factors such as the one's above.
It's not impossible at all that some people may enjoy motoring/travelling (even with the car radio switched off) more than they enjoy listening to their hifi at home.
Engelbert
I think you miss the point, perhaps deliberately or perhaps not - as so many do who have invested huge amounts of money in their hi-fi (but which might be pocket change to some) – that is that enjoying music is a cerebral, emotional thing and really should have nothing to do with the size of the wallet.
When I'm driving my venerable Morris Minor 1000, there are many other noises aside from the music on the car's sound system.......
There is the noise of the engine, drivetrain, tyres and suspension. There is the noise of passengers - talking, snoring, belching and so forth. There is the noise of other vehicles - including their horns, sirens and whatever else. There is the noise generated by cities and aeroplanes, choppers etc - or the sounds of nature in the country. All of these things can impact on one's mood - positively or negatively.
In addition to noises, there is the dynamic effect of a car's motion on a person's physiology, as well as their psyche/mood.
Different smells likely also have an impact - try driving past a gasworks, a bakery or a brewery.
So, any comparison between listening to hifi music in a dedicated listening room and listening to music while travelling in a vehicle would be rather awkward - and difficult to carry out in any systematic manner. It would be a bit like comparing apples with eggs
Thus, before you conclude that you enjoy listening to music on your Sanyo car radio more than listening to [the same] music on your 500 series Naim system in your acoustic-designed sitting-room, you might first consider the impact of factors such as the one's above.
It's not impossible at all that some people may enjoy motoring/travelling (even with the car radio switched off) more than they enjoy listening to their hifi at home.
Engelbert
I find that music sounds better in the car after I've listened to the same piece through the home system. I guess the brain is better able to fill in what's missing this way.
Of course, much depends on the quality of the system in the car. My Nakamichi does pretty well here compared to most I've heard, but the Naim for Bentley system is something else entirely...
Yes, but darned if I can't remember where I parked my Bentley...every time I go out front all I see is my 1999 Honda CRV with 145,000 miles and the $75 Sony CD player with original equipment speakers!
Posted by Shayman :
My advice......
Buy a good value second hand guitar/banjo/mandolin or whatever takes your fancy and start learning to play. Since I did this I've not critically listened to my system once. No time. The new instrument is so addictive. No more urges to upgrade ....
If only! I started with a Godin Seagull M6. I'm now up to four guitars, and don't get me started on strings ; Godin vs d'Addario, flat vs round, etc. etc.
Jan
Where is Adam when you need him??//
Hi Jan, Jonathan - I totally agree learning to play an instrument and reading music can provide emense enjoyment even when playing along to the Naim.
Yes if you end up critically listening to the replay system clearly IMO there is something no right with the replay system. A good system should allow you to critically listen to the music - ie listen to the timing and phasing of a bass rift, intonation of a clarinetist or flutist, the phrasing and timing of a pianist, the movement of a vocalist against a static mic, the brushing of cymbal. These are all queues that add enjoyment, timing and emotion. If you have expiereinced this from a live performance, or another good replay system, your brain can fill in the gaps on a lesser system. Hence the reference to car CD players or Ipod being very enjoyable for familiar music or styles. The AES have done some interesting studies and research in this field. Neuroscientist Dr Poppy Crum I find especially fascinating.
Simon
Yes, but darned if I can't remember where I parked my Bentley...every time I go out front all I see is my 1999 Honda CRV with 145,000 miles and the $75 Sony CD player with original equipment speakers!
Pah! All i see is an 11 year old golf with 173,000 miles, a rusty boot-lid and rear arches. Decent stereo though one of the speakers crackles at bit. It's good enough for tunes but prefer talk radio (5Live) in the car these days.
Posted by Shayman :
My advice......
Buy a good value second hand guitar/banjo/mandolin or whatever takes your fancy and start learning to play. Since I did this I've not critically listened to my system once. No time. The new instrument is so addictive. No more urges to upgrade ....
If only! I started with a Godin Seagull M6. I'm now up to four guitars, and don't get me started on strings ; Godin vs d'Addario, flat vs round, etc. etc.
Jan
Tell me about it...
Hi Dr Mark.
That's a mighty fine selection of instruments........
But you can't offer them for sale on the forum
Engelbert
No original G White bandsman though.
Stu
Posted by Shayman :
My advice......
Buy a good value second hand guitar/banjo/mandolin or whatever takes your fancy and start learning to play. Since I did this I've not critically listened to my system once. No time. The new instrument is so addictive. No more urges to upgrade ....
If only! I started with a Godin Seagull M6. I'm now up to four guitars, and don't get me started on strings ; Godin vs d'Addario, flat vs round, etc. etc.
Jan
Tell me about it...