Importing CD's To iTunes

Posted by: markah on 17 May 2008

I have just checked the settings in my iTunes and noticed that I am importing CD's using the AAC Encoder with the High Quality (128kbps) setting. I have a few questions regarding this, namely:
1. What is the difference between my setting and using the MP3 Encoder on the Good Quality (128kbps) setting?
2. How much better would the sound quality be to import using the Apple Lossless Encoder (I don't know what rate that would be)?
3. Using the lossless encoder how many songs would I typically get on an 80GB ipod? I have about 800 CD's at the moment which I would like to import but this number is rapidly increasing.

I currently listen to the ipod through Shure E500 earphones or a Bose portable SoundDock.

Thanks in advance,

Mark
Posted on: 17 May 2008 by Jono 13
Mark

you can import lossless and then convert down to 128 for iPod use. The lossless import is just that and I am just re-building my library in this way.

Jono
Posted on: 17 May 2008 by Paul Hutchings
It's all subjective but for any given bitrate AAC is supposed to be better than MP3.

As Jono says I would import lossless and then convert simply because if you have an original quality rip you don't need to worry about having to rip it again in the future if your needs change.

On average lossless tracks take up around 30-40mb.
Posted on: 17 May 2008 by Steve S1
Agree, I've ripped most of my CDs now using lossless with error correction.

Steve
Posted on: 17 May 2008 by El-Rey
Mark
I import CDs for use on the Ipod using Apple lossless, the bit rate is variable but is in the range of 700 - 900. Sound quality wise I think this is worth the extra space, the sound is more detailed and dynamic than low bit rate mp3s.

I listen in the car using an integrated interface or with a pretty decent pair of Ultimate Ears in the ear phones.

This means I can get about seventy albums on a 30 gig Ipod. I keep a further couple of hundred albums on the hard drive and rotate the content on the Ipod.

Hope this is of some help.
Posted on: 17 May 2008 by markah
Thanks for the info guys!

El-Rey : Good idea that to rotate what's on the ipod, as I'm not going to be able to put anything like my whole collection on it with lossless, even if I went to the 160GB model!

Mark
Posted on: 18 May 2008 by markah
quote:
Originally posted by Jono 13:
Mark
you can import lossless and then convert down to 128 for iPod use.
Jono


How do I do that?

Mark
Posted on: 18 May 2008 by El-Rey
Hi
In the Edit menu go to 'Preferences' then click the 'Advanced', tab then 'Importing' and change the setting on the 'Import Using' bar to, say 'Good Quality (128 kbps)' Click OK.

If you then go to the music library display, select the albums you want to convert, then right click and in the menu that appears there will be an option to 'convert the selection to mp3'.
You will have to change the setting back again to import CDs in a different format.

Cheers
Posted on: 18 May 2008 by markah
Thanks again El-Rey, but one more question (I really am slow with this iTunes malarkey!) - will the songs I 'convert to mp3' permanently remain so. In other words, will I have lost them in the lossless format? I suspect the answer is "no" but don't follow how it all works. Sorry for being so dumb. Roll Eyes

Mark
Posted on: 18 May 2008 by El-Rey
Hi
When you do this a copy is made, the original remains. To prevent them all being in the same folder you need to have a separate location for each.

When you change the bit rate as described previously, change the iTunes folder location (under the 'General' tab) at the same time so each type of file is in its own location.

This is not as messy as it first seems because you would do a full session of each, i.e. rip a large number of CDs to lossless then change all the settings and convert them to mp3.

I use mp3, as opposed to the Apple encoders,
as it is usable on other players.

From my experience it is best to do everything manually, that is don't 'sync', drag and drop when you are transferring stuff to the ipod.
If you remove something from the library iTunes will wipe it from the iPod when you sync if you want it to or not.

This feels like I have gone from normal to being a geek in a day Big Grin
Posted on: 18 May 2008 by markah
Thanks very much El-Rey, much appreciated.

Mark
Posted on: 19 May 2008 by ryan_d
"This feels like I have gone from normal to being a geek in a day "

aren't we all!!!!!

Ryan
Posted on: 19 May 2008 by markah
The zip's worn out on my anorak! Big Grin

Mark
Posted on: 20 May 2008 by daddycool
Inspired by some earlier posts I just ripped some new CDs in AIFF rather than in Apple Lossless like I'm used to.

The rips sound better, so I also did some re-rips.

Conclusion: In my set-up (iBook to Konnekt 8 firewire interface to Rega Ear to Grados) AIFF sounds definitely more punchy, detailed and extended than Apple Lossless.

Funny.

Next experimental question: Does one need a Bendini Clarifier for ripping too?
Posted on: 20 May 2008 by Steve S1
quote:
Originally posted by daddycool:
Inspired by some arier posts I just ripped some new CDs in AIFF rather than in Apple Lossless like I'm used to.

The rips sound better, so I also did some re-rips.

Conclusion: In my set-up (iBook to Konnekt 8 firewire interface to Rega Ear to Grados) AIFF sounds definitely more punchy, detailed and extended than Apple Lossless.

Funny.

Next experimental question: Does one need a Bendini Clarifier for ripping too?


DC,

Check your settings in iTunes Prefences/Advanced/Importing. Is either the "sound check" or "sound enhancer" box ticked? Are you playing back with iTunes volume at full?

There should be absolutely no difference - both formats are lossless, the only issues are file space (Apple compresses the file, like zipping, NOT the data) and tagging. So you go AIFF all you get is bigger files taking up more space. You don't get a better copy.

Try googling AIFF v Apple Lossless, many have been down that road. Here is an example.

Steve
Posted on: 20 May 2008 by daddycool
quote:
Originally posted by Steve S1:
Check your settings in iTunes Prefences/Advanced/Importing. Is either the "sound check" or "sound enhancer" box ticked? Are you playing back with iTunes volume at full?


Yes Steve, double-checked that some time ago.

I was surprised too, hence my post.

Perhaps the power of imagination. Or iTunes has improved.

But I have enough disc space, so it's now fine by me.