Come to England we too have our problems but despite the Brexit vote most of us are still very welcoming. 

Ps

Bring all that gold we can build an amazing system with it. 

pps 

Leave the guns and ammunition though. 

Just implement Steps 1 to 4 and move to Canada, Australia, New Zealand or the U.K.

As Bob says, despite Brexit we are still perfectly peaceful and welcoming. And sooner (or probably later) we will find a realistic Government.

And you have the option of the NHS or private health care.

You forgot to add a can opener to your list.

Emigration doesn’t have to be that complicated. 

Apart from the can opener - which is very essential indeed: Matthew 25.

My personal experience is that I had my best friend in psychiatric hospital for about a year. In that time when I was visiting him, I met many preppers. Some of them - when they were allowed to go home in the weekend - started to prep immediately once they left the hospitals premises. They were hiding stuff anywhere. I understood that the most important thing were cigarettes.

This reminds me of the cigarettes scene from the priceless movie One flew over the Cuckoos nest.

Watching a few episodes of Mad Max might also help !

The UK Government seems to have got it sorted this week.....................

............let's take an early summer holiday !

.....and forget about Brexit and all our other problems for 10 weeks !

Kevin Richardson posted:

 

Am I missing anything?

If you've been hanging around with people who obsess this way - you'll find a good number of your new chums are among the Ss that will be Hitting the Fan.

jfritzen posted:

You forgot to add a can opener to your list.

..and a towel. Essential if things on this planet get very bad and you need to hitchhike somewhere else.

If you wear glasses, don’t forget a couple of spare pairs. If you wear contact lenses - buy some glasses (and spares).

Also, in case the internet dies, get some books on how to do the basic things we all take for granted, like growing food, managing without electricity, how to make clothes, etc.

Florestan posted:

Kevin Richardson posted:

Step 3 - Max out all available lines of credit to get cash and goods. [Get a home equity loan.]

Step 4 - Formulate a plan to get your family out of USA and to live indefinitely in a friendly country.

...

Am I missing anything?

Kevin, what happened to your other thread where you talked about all sorts of kooky things?  You promised you would explain some of your sound reasoning to me to back up what you said.  Well, since no one else here is taking this seriously, then neither will I.

Here, I'll confirm that you are missing something and also I'll give you some good advice.  

1)  Yes, please go to the UK.  This is a country that bans free speech, particularly if you are Conservative, Right Wing, and Christian.  (for example, Lauren Southern, Brittany Pettibone, Martin Sellner, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer).  From what I've read in your treatises, you will fit in quite well.  You will get the red carpet treatment and a direct flight in to all the goodies especially if you go to Syria and train with ISIS first.  Your new host country will welcome you with open arms or so this is what I have heard. 

As much as I think the UK deserves you though, I think your best ticket though would be to go directly to Venezuela.  Then after a few years you can go to the UK, Canada, Australia, or some other nice friendly little socialist country help ruin them even further.   You could keep expounding on the wonders of Socialism and everything you learned in Venezuela and then you can live for free and march & riot in the streets shouting at all the Christian, right-wing conservatives.  At least the ones that haven't been thrown in jail for something as dangerous as free speech.

2) Your point number three is a real doozy.  You claim to be running from some evil force to paradise but I tell you that you are a thief for even planning for this.  An honest man would never do this.  Perhaps, what you are really missing is a book to take along in your little freedom bust and read cover to cover.  When you get to the eighth commandment you need to ponder this one (Don't steal) and then add in some soul searching over the fifth commandment (Honour your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land.....)

So, with this I wish you all the best on your little escapade to some paradise.  Do let us know how things go once you pull the plug.  I am somewhat envious as I would like to get away too but simply don't have the resources or means to do so.  And, stuck in a zero oppression points cage, well, there is just no place to go anymore anyways as I pay my restitution for the sins of others and so that others may live without a worry or care.

My thread was deleted for some reason while I was on vacation.

Haim Ronen posted:

With such endearing attitude, a more relevant question than 'Am I missing anything?' would be: 'Is anyone going to miss you?'. Have a safe trip.

 

Nobody will miss me because I'm taking everyone with me. 

Kevin Richardson posted:

Haim Ronen posted:

With such endearing attitude, a more relevant question than 'Am I missing anything?' would be: 'Is anyone going to miss you?'. Have a safe trip.

 

Nobody will miss me because I'm taking everyone with me. 

Am I to assume that you have no friends?

Haim Ronen posted:

Kevin Richardson posted:

Haim Ronen posted:

With such endearing attitude, a more relevant question than 'Am I missing anything?' would be: 'Is anyone going to miss you?'. Have a safe trip.

 

Nobody will miss me because I'm taking everyone with me. 

Am I to assume that you have no friends?

Also taking any friends who care to join.

Florestan posted:

Kevin Richardson posted:

Step 3 - Max out all available lines of credit to get cash and goods. [Get a home equity loan.]

Step 4 - Formulate a plan to get your family out of USA and to live indefinitely in a friendly country.

...

Am I missing anything?

Kevin, what happened to your other thread where you talked about all sorts of kooky things?  You promised you would explain some of your sound reasoning to me to back up what you said.  Well, since no one else here is taking this seriously, then neither will I.

Here, I'll confirm that you are missing something and also I'll give you some good advice.  

1)  Yes, please go to the UK.  This is a country that bans free speech, particularly if you are Conservative, Right Wing, and Christian.  (for example, Lauren Southern, Brittany Pettibone, Martin Sellner, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer).  From what I've read in your treatises, you will fit in quite well.  You will get the red carpet treatment and a direct flight in to all the goodies especially if you go to Syria and train with ISIS first.  Your new host country will welcome you with open arms or so this is what I have heard. 

As much as I think the UK deserves you though, I think your best ticket though would be to go directly to Venezuela.  Then after a few years you can go to the UK, Canada, Australia, or some other nice friendly little socialist country help ruin them even further.   You could keep expounding on the wonders of Socialism and everything you learned in Venezuela and then you can live for free and march & riot in the streets shouting at all the Christian, right-wing conservatives.  At least the ones that haven't been thrown in jail for something as dangerous as free speech.

2) Your point number three is a real doozy.  You claim to be running from some evil force to paradise but I tell you that you are a thief for even planning for this.  An honest man would never do this.  Perhaps, what you are really missing is a book to take along in your little freedom bust and read cover to cover.  When you get to the eighth commandment you need to ponder this one (Don't steal) and then add in some soul searching over the fifth commandment (Honour your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land.....)

So, with this I wish you all the best on your little escapade to some paradise.  Do let us know how things go once you pull the plug.  I am somewhat envious as I would like to get away too but simply don't have the resources or means to do so.  And, stuck in a zero oppression points cage, well, there is just no place to go anymore anyways as I pay my restitution for the sins of others and so that others may live without a worry or care.

1. Medicare for all isn't going to turn the USA into Venezuela.

2. I'm not a communist or socialist. Your whole "Go the Venezuela if you don't like the USA" is just... 

3. You call me a thief because I said to "max out all your lines of credit"? Did I ever say "with the intention of never repaying your debts"? No I did not. In the event this plan in fully implemented then I would leave behind my real estate which would more than cover any debts. The only thing that matters is moving wealth out of USA to more reliable states. [Before the government puts restrictions on the export of capital] When the $ tanks then pay off the debt.

4. My parents don't care about anything except the "end times" and yelling about how "poor people are ruining the USA". My mother literally believes we are just years from the Apocalypse so we don't have to worry about healthcare/Environment/Education  for my generation or my kids cause "Heaven". [God forbid my Dad has to pay an extra $60/month for the Medicare HE EARNED!!!!!!!] 

I'm not a Christian so "Heaven" isn't really an acceptable solution  for all of life's challenges.

You sound like a typical baby boomer complaining about the freeloading "others" living "without a worry or care. You might be surprised to learn that younger generations are the people stuck paying to keep your generation alive at any cost. We will spend millions keeping an octogenarian alive but god forbid we should do anything about making health insurance available to working age individuals.

Good luck with your "restitution for the sins of others"  or whatever BS gets you through your days.

Florestan posted:

Kevin Richardson posted:

Step 3 - Max out all available lines of credit to get cash and goods. [Get a home equity loan.]

Step 4 - Formulate a plan to get your family out of USA and to live indefinitely in a friendly country.

...

Am I missing anything?

Kevin, what happened to your other thread where you talked about all sorts of kooky things?  You promised you would explain some of your sound reasoning to me to back up what you said.  Well, since no one else here is taking this seriously, then neither will I.

Here, I'll confirm that you are missing something and also I'll give you some good advice.  

1)  Yes, please go to the UK.  This is a country that bans free speech, particularly if you are Conservative, Right Wing, and Christian.  (for example, Lauren Southern, Brittany Pettibone, Martin Sellner, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer).  From what I've read in your treatises, you will fit in quite well.  You will get the red carpet treatmentand a direct flight in to all the goodies especiallyif you go to Syria and train with ISIS first.  Your new host country will welcome you with open arms or so this is what I have heard. 

As much as I think the UK deserves you though, I think your best ticket though would be to go directly to Venezuela.  Then after a few years you can go to the UK, Canada, Australia, or some other nice friendly little socialist country help ruin them even further.   You could keep expounding on the wonders of Socialism and everything you learned in Venezuela and then you can live for free and march & riot in the streets shouting at all the Christian, right-wing conservatives.  At least the ones that haven't been thrown in jail for something as dangerous as free speech.

2) Your point number three is a real doozy.  You claim to be running from some evil force to paradise but I tell you that you are a thief for even planning for this.  An honest man would never do this.  Perhaps, what you are really missing is a book to take along in your little freedom bust and read cover to cover.  When you get to the eighth commandment you need to ponder this one (Don't steal) and then add in some soul searching over the fifth commandment (Honour your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land.....)

So, with this I wish you all the best on your little escapade to some paradise.  Do let us know how things go once you pull the plug.  I am somewhat envious as I would like to get away too but simply don't have the resources or means to do so.  And, stuck in a zero oppression points cage, well, there is just no place to go anymore anyways as I pay my restitution for the sins of others and so that others may live without a worry or care.

Florestan,

During what period did you live and work in the UK ? And during that time, where did you live and what sort of work did you do ?

I was born here and have lived probably 50 of my 70 years here and I don't recognise any aspect of your various descriptions of life in the UK, either as noted above nor in other threads in which you have participated. I'm aware of some of the isolated events that you have mentioned from time to time, but they don't translate into the distorted overall picture that you have painted.

I have lived and worked in a wide range of other countries including Canada, The USA, Sweden and much of Europe including Greece and the Balkans. Also much of the Middle East from Jordan to The Emirates and Oman. Plus India and Pakistan. The UK, Sweden and Canada all have their problems, that's for sure, but boy-oh-boy they beat the rest by a country mile when it comes to overall quality of life.

I note (as underlined) that some of your views are based on hearsay ! And I fully appreciate that my perceptions of life are based on my own (necessarily) limited personal experiences (as is the case with all of us) and my own limited reception of information provided by others eg books, radio & tv news items, the Internet etc (again, as in the case with all of us).

Florestan,

You speak with all the clarity of resolving the detail of things in Europe from a range of several thousand miles, and your conclusions are as justified as would be any attempt to identify an individual person form the same range, using unaided sight alone.

However, you at least seem to have slightly better awareness of geography than many Americans - as an American comedian put it "War is God's way of teaching us geography!".  It's just any ability to see straight from a place so remote from the rest of us that you seem to be completely missing.

If it is the end as some think,  I'm sure someone very clever will turn it on its head and proclaim the start of a new age - complete with new answers to old problems.

TOBYJUG posted:

If it is the end as some think,  I'm sure someone very clever will turn it on its head and proclaim the start of a new age - complete with new answers to old problems.

I think I know who that would be...sorry, I meant ‘wouldn’t’ be...It’s a kind of double negative.

G

GraemeH posted:

TOBYJUG posted:

If it is the end as some think,  I'm sure someone very clever will turn it on its head and proclaim the start of a new age - complete with new answers to old problems.

I think I know who that would be...sorry, I meant ‘wouldn’t’ be...It’s a kind of double negative.

G

...or it could be somebody else. There’s a lot of folks out there.

Florestan posted:

...... a country that bans free speech, particularly if you are Conservative, Right Wing, and Christian.  (for example, Lauren Southern, Brittany Pettibone, Martin Sellner, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer). 

"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It."

This little piece of firey rhetoric can make muppets out of even intelligent people.

It must have scrambled your brains.

Kevin Richardson posted:

Anybody familiar with the tv show "Doomsday Preppers"? I watched a few episodes and used to think the "preppers" were sad people pissing away their lives. Today I think preparing for a disaster is important for survival.

Step 1 - Liquidate all USD securities

Step 2 - Sell your Bitcoins

Step 3 - Max out all available lines of credit to get cash and goods. [Get a home equity loan.]

Step 4 - Formulate a plan to get your family out of USA and to live indefinitely in a friendly country.

Step 5 - Procure all survival provisions.

Essential provisions for survival:

1. Gold in segregated storage outside USA (Canada and Australia) [London is another option]

2. Family members * ( $25,000 cash + 20 oz physical gold). [Might need more cash if you anticipate chartering a jet to escape]

3. Swiss Bank account with all remaining cash in CHF

4. Valid passports 

5. 6 months non perishable food supply 

6. As much bottled water as you can store in your home.

7. 6 months of all necessary medications

8.  AR-15 for each family member + 1

9.  Handgun for each family member + 1

10. As much ammunition as you can get

11. Materials required to fortify your home if you don't get out in time.

12. Fuel 

13. Solar powered battery chargers.

14. Alcohol, honey, tobacco, and Marijuana(if legal in your jurisdiction) for bartering.

15. As many Rolex watches as you can reasonably afford. [For bribes]

Once you have everything in place wait until you see the obvious warning that the plan from step 4 needs implementation then implement the escape plan ASAP.

Am I missing anything?

Too much work.

I'd just take a cyanide route.

Weird thread...