555 PSU.......

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

In my experience demo equipment never gets properly ‘run-in’. The good news is you will enjoy the music getting better and better for many more months! Every feeling I had about the  music sounding a bit digital with the nDAC + XPSDR disappeared with the 555DR. The music became better balanced between the instruments and more realistic. Much more subtlty revealed to make the music grab your attention.

Phil

Filipe posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

In my experience demo equipment never gets properly ‘run-in’. The good news is you will enjoy the music getting better and better for many more months! Every feeling I had about the  music sounding a bit digital with the nDAC + XPSDR disappeared with the 555DR. The music became better balanced between the instruments and more realistic. Much more subtlty revealed to make the music grab your attention.

Phil

Strat,sorry for going off topic a bit,I apologize....

Hi Filipe

i checked out your profile after your post,and noticed you are using the RP 10/Aphelion with Sopra2s...I have lately been thinking about getting back into Vinyl after some 30 years away,and in particular,have been researching the exact Rega deck you own.Do you feel it works well with Sopras,in my case it is Sopra 1s?Maybe I just need some reassurance that it is a worthwhile pursuit with my current setup (see profile),any thoughts appreciated,or should I just let the sleeping dog lie.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

‘A richer musical experience’ puts it very well. When I picked mine up there was a Naim rep in the shop and we got talking as you do. His view was that the 555 does amazing things to anything it’s powering, which I’d certainly agree with. I used one when I had a CDS3 and really liked what it did.

No quarter posted:
Filipe posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

In my experience demo equipment never gets properly ‘run-in’. The good news is you will enjoy the music getting better and better for many more months! Every feeling I had about the  music sounding a bit digital with the nDAC + XPSDR disappeared with the 555DR. The music became better balanced between the instruments and more realistic. Much more subtlty revealed to make the music grab your attention.

Phil

Strat,sorry for going off topic a bit,I apologize....

Hi Filipe

i checked out your profile after your post,and noticed you are using the RP 10/Aphelion with Sopra2s...I have lately been thinking about getting back into Vinyl after some 30 years away,and in particular,have been researching the exact Rega deck you own.Do you feel it works well with Sopras,in my case it is Sopra 1s?Maybe I just need some reassurance that it is a worthwhile pursuit with my current setup (see profile),any thoughts appreciated,or should I just let the sleeping dog lie.

NQ, I’m a fan of the RP10/Aphelion/Aria. I did indulge in the SL RCA to DIN IC. I think the DIN input to the preamp is a must. Our moderator, Richard Dane, waxes lyrically about his RP10 as does Adam Zielinski, but they have Superline. The Rega Couple 2 RCA leads are a pretty good starting point which I could not better until the SL. As the rest of the system has improved then so has the vinyl source. So it’s unlikely you will ever have to buy another TT, and no fiddling needed. A Naim style isolation shelf is essential, along with good siting of the Aria. Keep the TT off the dedicated HiFi radial. Worth getting a lengthy TT demo if you can. The Aphelion can take a long time to run-in.

The Sopra 2s just stood out from the rest for me. I think Lyndsay has Sopra 2s also. They just deliver what they are given, and I haven’t really bothered to find a better position because it’s not negotiable!

Phil

Filipe posted:
No quarter posted:
Filipe posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

In my experience demo equipment never gets properly ‘run-in’. The good news is you will enjoy the music getting better and better for many more months! Every feeling I had about the  music sounding a bit digital with the nDAC + XPSDR disappeared with the 555DR. The music became better balanced between the instruments and more realistic. Much more subtlty revealed to make the music grab your attention.

Phil

Strat,sorry for going off topic a bit,I apologize....

Hi Filipe

i checked out your profile after your post,and noticed you are using the RP 10/Aphelion with Sopra2s...I have lately been thinking about getting back into Vinyl after some 30 years away,and in particular,have been researching the exact Rega deck you own.Do you feel it works well with Sopras,in my case it is Sopra 1s?Maybe I just need some reassurance that it is a worthwhile pursuit with my current setup (see profile),any thoughts appreciated,or should I just let the sleeping dog lie.

NQ, I’m a fan of the RP10/Aphelion/Aria. I did indulge in the SL RCA to DIN IC. I think the DIN input to the preamp is a must. Our moderator, Richard Dane, waxes lyrically about his RP10 as does Adam Zielinski, but they have Superline. The Rega Couple 2 RCA leads are a pretty good starting point which I could not better until the SL. As the rest of the system has improved then so has the vinyl source. So it’s unlikely you will ever have to buy another TT, and no fiddling needed. A Naim style isolation shelf is essential, along with good siting of the Aria. Keep the TT off the dedicated HiFi radial. Worth getting a lengthy TT demo if you can. The Aphelion can take a long time to run-in.

The Sopra 2s just stood out from the rest for me. I think Lyndsay has Sopra 2s also. They just deliver what they are given, and I haven’t really bothered to find a better position because it’s not negotiable!

Phil

Thanks for your feedback Phil,since the upgrade bug has not left me yet,my next step would probably be XPSDR to 555DR,then 250 DR to 300DR...in steps.I just wonder if getting back into Vinyl would give me more satisfaction in the long run,since the two paths would be similar cost wise.I will talk to my dealer,to see if I can borrow a deck,and go from there..thanks.

my experience of power cables into n272 & into 555 before 272.

From previous systems I had a number of power cables which became redundant when the number of black boxes reduced (actually some were silver) .
Into a plain n272 the cables had significant effect some negative over the standard Naim powerlead , the biggest uplift by some margin was a JPS Labs Kaptovator

adding a 555 was a bigger influence, but its takes a while to show the full effect.  marvelous upgrade to musicality as well as the usual hifi terminology

Swapping power cables on the 555 made hardly any difference to my ears, maybe 20% of the difference directly into n272,  but it did perform best with a JPS Black which is a seriously meaty cable designed for big US power amps (it also worked well on the 250DR)

The Kaptovator(s) now power the ATC SCM40A speakers

Filipe posted:
No quarter posted:
Filipe posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay. Being an ex-dem model it’s fully run-in but because the CDS3 has been switched off for a few hours I needed to allow a couple of hours warm up.    

Clearly there is greater resolution, and the textures of the instruments are more apparent.   But most it is darker and just much more organic.  It’s just a much richer musical experience.  

In my experience demo equipment never gets properly ‘run-in’. The good news is you will enjoy the music getting better and better for many more months! Every feeling I had about the  music sounding a bit digital with the nDAC + XPSDR disappeared with the 555DR. The music became better balanced between the instruments and more realistic. Much more subtlty revealed to make the music grab your attention.

Phil

Strat,sorry for going off topic a bit,I apologize....

Hi Filipe

i checked out your profile after your post,and noticed you are using the RP 10/Aphelion with Sopra2s...I have lately been thinking about getting back into Vinyl after some 30 years away,and in particular,have been researching the exact Rega deck you own.Do you feel it works well with Sopras,in my case it is Sopra 1s?Maybe I just need some reassurance that it is a worthwhile pursuit with my current setup (see profile),any thoughts appreciated,or should I just let the sleeping dog lie.

NQ, I’m a fan of the RP10/Aphelion/Aria. I did indulge in the SL RCA to DIN IC. I think the DIN input to the preamp is a must. Our moderator, Richard Dane, waxes lyrically about his RP10 as does Adam Zielinski, but they have Superline. The Rega Couple 2 RCA leads are a pretty good starting point which I could not better until the SL. As the rest of the system has improved then so has the vinyl source. So it’s unlikely you will ever have to buy another TT, and no fiddling needed. A Naim style isolation shelf is essential, along with good siting of the Aria. Keep the TT off the dedicated HiFi radial. Worth getting a lengthy TT demo if you can. The Aphelion can take a long time to run-in.

The Sopra 2s just stood out from the rest for me. I think Lyndsay has Sopra 2s also. They just deliver what they are given, and I haven’t really bothered to find a better position because it’s not negotiable!

Phil

Hi Phil, I’m interested in your observations on having the Rp10 PS hooked up to the non dedicated mains; if that is what you were saying?

Do you also have your Aria plugged into the house mains rather than your dedicated hifi spur?

i currently have my Aria and Neo ps which connects to my RP8 on the same dedicated mains circuit as my 555 and 300 and I’m wondering if I should plug those into the non dedicated circuit....

Best regards

David

 

 

The Strat (Fender) posted:

No worries guys with a vinyl diversion.  Listening to Imelda May - wow this is just sublime.   So rich,  i can go so much louder.   Oh wow

I remember when I demoed the NDS. Before trying that with the 555PS, we plugged it into my CDS2. That was pretty stunning, so I can imagine what you're experiencing. Your post above and that where you described a richer musical experience probably sold another half dozen 555 power supplies!

nigelb posted:

Yes, it is only natural to doubt the value of the very expensive 555DR........until you hear what it does on a top notch Naim source.

Indeed, I thought on the NDAC and NDS my 555PS was superb. I always felt however with my CDS3, NDX and CDX2 it didn’t work so well, and I preferred XPS2 or standalone. On the latter components I felt my 555PS over egged the sound and upset the balance of these wonderful sources.

I have only direct experience of the 555DR on my NDS and coming from a 'lesser' PS, the 555DR was a revelation. Lindsay described it well as a richer musical experience. I would add that, although the 555DR is more transparent, it is is also a more relaxing listen, possibly due to a reduction in the noise floor.

And don't confuse 'relaxing' with 'unexciting'. When the music calls for it, you will receive a whack around the head and a thump in the chest, in the nicest possible way of course.

S3 posted:
Filipe posted:

NQ, I’m a fan of the RP10/Aphelion/Aria. I did indulge in the SL RCA to DIN IC. I think the DIN input to the preamp is a must. Our moderator, Richard Dane, waxes lyrically about his RP10 as does Adam Zielinski, but they have Superline. The Rega Couple 2 RCA leads are a pretty good starting point which I could not better until the SL. As the rest of the system has improved then so has the vinyl source. So it’s unlikely you will ever have to buy another TT, and no fiddling needed. A Naim style isolation shelf is essential, along with good siting of the Aria. Keep the TT off the dedicated HiFi radial. Worth getting a lengthy TT demo if you can. The Aphelion can take a long time to run-in.

The Sopra 2s just stood out from the rest for me. I think Lyndsay has Sopra 2s also. They just deliver what they are given, and I haven’t really bothered to find a better position because it’s not negotiable!

Phil

Hi Phil, I’m interested in your observations on having the Rp10 PS hooked up to the non dedicated mains; if that is what you were saying?

Do you also have your Aria plugged into the house mains rather than your dedicated hifi spur?

i currently have my Aria and Neo ps which connects to my RP8 on the same dedicated mains circuit as my 555 and 300 and I’m wondering if I should plug those into the non dedicated circuit....

Best regards

David

 

 

 David

It the TT PS not on the dedicated. The Aria is. The TT PS then has no possibility of messing up the Audio. The Aria has a toroidal ps I believe.

Lyndsay excuse the diversion. Interesting that S in S says the nDAC does well with a 555 PS DR. 

Phil

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
nigelb posted:

Yes, it is only natural to doubt the value of the very expensive 555DR........until you hear what it does on a top notch Naim source.

Indeed, I thought on the NDAC and NDS my 555PS was superb. I always felt however with my CDS3, NDX and CDX2 it didn’t work so well, and I preferred XPS2 or standalone. On the latter components I felt my 555PS over egged the sound and upset the balance of these wonderful sources.

I guess Simon we will have to beg to differ. I remember you saying similarly about a SC on a 282.  My experiences are the direct opposite. 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
nigelb posted:

Yes, it is only natural to doubt the value of the very expensive 555DR........until you hear what it does on a top notch Naim source.

Indeed, I thought on the NDAC and NDS my 555PS was superb. I always felt however with my CDS3, NDX and CDX2 it didn’t work so well, and I preferred XPS2 or standalone. On the latter components I felt my 555PS over egged the sound and upset the balance of these wonderful sources.

That was my impression too - with the 555PS; impressive and dynamic but not the right balance for me.

However, that was with SBLs at the time and not the DR, and from listening to the effects of the Supercap DR replacing a Supercap on a NAC252 and Superline respectively, it would not surprise me if a 555PS-DR with CDS3 resulted in a different conclusion. 

The Strat (Fender) posted:
I guess Simon we will have to beg to differ. I remember you saying similarly about a SC on a 282.  My experiences are the direct opposite. 

Absolutely nothing wrong with having differing views 

All of this is subjective... there are definitely no absolutes here at all, just outcomes with varying probabilities....

It's very unhelpful of you Lindsay to be emphasising how much better the 555PS is than the XPS on your system. I've just about managed to ignore, and almost forget, what HH said a while back about the 555PS on his 272 (which admittedly did sound very good when I heard his setup briefly recently), but you are stirring my interest again....

best

David

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:
I guess Simon we will have to beg to differ. I remember you saying similarly about a SC on a 282.  My experiences are the direct opposite. 

Absolutely nothing wrong with having differing views 

All of this is subjective... there are definitely no absolutes here at all, just outcomes with varying probabilities....

This may be true, but one would expect an Objective view from a man of your status!

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