Anyone using Naim DAC V1 with a LINUX?

Good evening

I know that OSX and Windows are officially supported. Anyone still using LINUX with good results? If, what distribution and musicplayer? There seems to be alot of alternatives out there.

Thanks.

Original Post

Linux does not seem that popular. How do you play music with your Naim DAC V1 then? 

My thougts is that Mac Mini is popular and probably great, but they have not been updated since October 2014 and price is the same. I would like not having to buy new "old" hardware for full price.

Windows does work, but it is Windows with all related bugs and privacy concerns...

I've heard of people connecting a NAS directly to the DAC V1. Is this maybe the way to go? Heard different reports on those who think it is great and those who think it is generally to noisey.

And then maybe some people who use a Raspberry Pi in some form?

 

 

@ charlesphoto

Thanks, that sounds very interesting. I've read something about Sonore microRend over at Computer Audiophile, I think it was the best sound he ever had. But what did you use before that? The whole solution with NAS, Endpoint and powersupply and so on is a bit out of reach at the moment. 

It does not have to be perfect for me right now, but good enough. I'm just using the Naim DAC V1 connected to my desktop Windows PC at the moment with headphones. The plan is to work on the source first and in in the near future buy a poweramp and speakers, or maybe active speakers.  

 

 

 

Bob123 posted:

Linux does not seem that popular. How do you play music with your Naim DAC V1 then? 

My thougts is that Mac Mini is popular and probably great, but they have not been updated since October 2014 and price is the same. I would like not having to buy new "old" hardware for full price.

Windows does work, but it is Windows with all related bugs and privacy concerns...

I've heard of people connecting a NAS directly to the DAC V1. Is this maybe the way to go? Heard different reports on those who think it is great and those who think it is generally to noisey.

And then maybe some people who use a Raspberry Pi in some form?

 

 

According to many people,  Linux is far superior OS for audio playback than any WIndows or MAC OS. The already mentioned Microrendu or SOTM SMS-200 are good examples. Raspberry PI biggest downside is its LAN connection, because it shares same USB bus (there are other raspberry-alike mini computers like Odroid which have better hardware and separate controllers for LAN and USB).

I use the dac v1 with daphile (google it), which is a Linux-based operating system dedicated to music serving, via USB on a mini ITX machine. The machine used to have Lubuntu on it, but the daphile is a significant step up in SQ, especially when you play from RAM. For the record, no affiliation, just a happy user.

@ Andrius

Thank you for that information. I also believe in Linux because of it's customisation possibilities. It just seems to be so many ways of doing thinks, and some dislike and some prefer something and so on. Raspberry PI is a good example, some say it is usable at best while some say it could be high end.

@ sjt

Daphile could be something for me to. Thank you so much! Making a USB-stick with that right now for trying on a Laptop. Do you have a special computer just for music-playback then, or do you boot it up with Dapile when you want to listen to music? You say it is a ITX-machine, would a cheap Intel NUC work for example? 

I have been using a small, fanless microserver running Linux as a source for a Naim DAC (not V1) for about three years. The details are:

Hardware: fitPC3 (https://www.tinygreenpc.com/co...-pc/fit-pc3-3i.html)

OS: minimal Debian GNU / Linux (https://www.debian.org/): no X11

UPnP server: MinimServer (http://minimserver.com/index.html)

Renderer: upmpdcli (http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/upmpdcli/index.html)

The renderer relies on MPD and is also running on the fitPC3. As a control point, I use Linn Kazoo on iOS and Android devices and MPD clients on my laptop. The fitPC3 is connected to the Naim DAC via a M2Tech Hiface Evo USB to SPDIF converter. Both the fitPC3 and the M2Tech are powered by TP PSUs. Please also see https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...e-and-andrew-everard.

One of the big advantages of this approach is that there is virtually no data transfer over the LAN. Thus, no wired connections between the fitPC3 and the router is needed.

MinimServer is very well supported and allows intelligent browsing and user-specific indexing. I have classified my music collection by COMPOSER, WORK, CONDUCTOR, ENSEMBLE, ARTIST, GENRE, FORM, EPOQUE and a few Gramophone specific indexes.

I have setup the same system on two Raspberry Pi 3. You can add up to 1GB of mSATA SSD on the top of the Pi and drive the Pi with a connected portable DAC (Meridian Explorer, Chord Mojo, ...) with a battery pack. This makes a gorgeus mobile replay system that can be controlled wirelessly with any mobile phone.

 

 

 

Bob123 posted:

 

@ sjt

Daphile could be something for me to. Thank you so much! Making a USB-stick with that right now for trying on a Laptop. Do you have a special computer just for music-playback then, or do you boot it up with Dapile when you want to listen to music? You say it is a ITX-machine, would a cheap Intel NUC work for example? 

I did the same - made a USB stick for testing about 6 months ago and never took it out!

The machine is a dedicated computer I built for music playback. Its got a hard disk in it, with all the music on. Daphile lets you share its hard disk as a network drive, so when I get new music, I copy it to the daphile server over my home network. If you don't want a dedicated disk in the machine, I believe daphile can access shared networked drives as well. It can certainly see upnp servers on other machines on the network.

I use my laptop as the control point to select what to play - daphile's UI is all web-based, so I just open a browser pointed at the ip address of the daphile machine. Using USB as the music output also means you can use the dac v1's remote to control basic playback functions like play, pause, forward and back, because the dac v1 sends the control signals for these functions back up the USB connection.

Those intel NUCs would probably work fine. Mine also has a CD drive in it for the rare occasions when I need to rip a CD, and also my hard disk is 3.5 inch. It looks like the NUCs haven't got a space for CD drives and only support 2.5 inch hard disks but there are easy ways round these things.

I use the "play from ram" function in daphile all the time (seems to sound much better to me), and for this you need a fair amount of ram - I have 4GB in my machine and this is OK for most things apart from long operas in 24/96. If I built the machine again I would get more.

Hope this helps

@ nbpf

Thanky you so much for taking the time to writing the detailed information. I will read in to it. It seems very interesting to.

@ sjt 

Thanks a lot, very helpful! 

I could not install it on my laptop yesterday, it is more impossible to change boot order on that one... I will definitely try it as soon as I have bought a new PC.  I think you just answered all my questions, very imformative.

Cheers 

 

 

 

I just wanted to reconnect. I've gotten Daphile to work since couple of days. I even bought the iPeng controller app today. 

I took a decent laptop and installed Daphile on it.

The sound is clearly better than the previous temporary setup. And I can play and controll my music, Spotify and Tidal from my phone.

I was honestly not that imprest about the sound either before... Almost regretted that I sold my Meridan Exeplorer 2 DAC.

I've heard alot about PRaT and always liked the NAIM sound on HIFI Shows.

But now it makes total sense. I just can't skip tracks, even songs that I did not like before is entertaining. I listen to Van Morrison - A Night In San Francisco 24-96 HDtracks now and the sound is simply great.

@sjtSJT 

Also read what you said about the "play from ram" function. It makes it sound even better. I've not changed any settings, is something else worth trying?

 

Thanks again for all the help.

 

I had an issue with Daphile defaulting to only 1GHz speed for the processor.  It has been a couple of years, but at the time I had to up that speed.  It sounded better when I did that.  My processor was a 1.4GHz at the time.  Don't go faster than your processor.  

 

Also find the play from Ram setting.

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