Apple Mac mini as 'Upnp' Server?

nbpf posted:
NickSeattle posted:

Speaking as someone who moved from running MinimServer on a dedicated Mac Mini to a Synology NAS, the move was worthwhile for me, but not for everyone.  It took me a lot of fiddling to get Minim working on the NAS; and the updating is an annoying process I have had to write down.  It is nothing to me, as an IT pro, who, by definition, loves aggravation.  Minim on a dedicated Mac is a piece of cake.

Nick

But what is the point of running MinimServer on a NAS? Even if my music library was (among others) on a NAS, I would not even consider running MinimServer on that NAS. Instead, I would run it on a Raspberry Pi. Installing MinimServer on a Pi is straightforward and the device is very inconspicuous. The Pi has enough computing power to support transcoding 24/192 .flac files to .wav with very limited CPU load. If it has a failure (I have been running three 24/7 for years without any problem) you can replace it with a new one in minutes. Updating MinimServer via MinimWatch is a no-brainer.  

I liked running MinimServer on a Mac Mini, but found it more stable running on the NAS.  I’ve not gotten around to trying a Pi — I think they came on the scene after I was already up and running.  Simon in Suffolk was the one who first brought the Pi to my attention, on this Forum.

Nick

Hi Nick,  I too found Minimserver annoyingly complicated,  the program itself + Java + Minim Watch, & then the updates.    I'm now running Asset for Synology beta & it's an absolute doddle in comparison.   I'm not sure when & how it will get released but keep an eye open for it.

NBBF’s advice re metadata is spot on. 

I made the mistake, through ignorance, of not even thinking about metadata: I first ripped all my vinyl, with no metadata at all. Originally that was to create CDs, but within a very short space of time I switched to streaming, the ripped LPs giving me a head start with music to play, while I set about ripping CDs. Those rips had whatever metadata was on the CD. 

At that point no problem at all: I stored all my rips in a straightforward file structure: genre-artist (surname first with people’s names, and composer for classical) - album (name giving anything that I thought I needed to know to identify the album (e.g. conductor, year etc). And when I started streaming it was with an ND5XS - which straightforwardly found all my music and displayed exactly what I wanted. That experience was the same first with Twonky on my NAS, then Logitech Media Server on the same NAS, then Serviio on Mac Mini.

Sadly that changed - for sound quality reasons I changed the ND5XS to Audirvana optimised on a Mac Mini, into a standalone DAC. But Audirvana can’t browse or list by file structure, and requires metadata to find anything - so, long tedious job of adding metadata to ripped vinyl, or replacing said rips with better quality downloads, the latter having embedded metadata. Great...?  No. It seems that amongst my CDs that I’d ripped,  metadata was inconsistent or had things required by Audirvana missing. Ditto downloads. Classical is the worst - for a start, for one particular piece of music genre, to me a primary sort criterion and for which I would simply want to choose ‘classical’, I found that whilst some gave genre as  ‘classical’, for the same piece of music but different recordings, others might have genre as ‘orchestral’, ‘symphony’, ‘romantic’. And then there are different metadata categories for artist: recording artist, composer, conductor, soloist etc - the correct info could be in the correct ‘tag’’, but the player’s search facility might be looking under a different tak from the one I expect when I search under ‘artist’.  Etc.

Coping with even no metadata is one thing that the ND5XS with the media servers I used did in a no-fuss straightforward way that I miss. When I did a trial of Roon 18 months ago it didn’t do any better than Audirvana with my collection’s metadata issues - and I think it is a great shame that things are so relient upon metadata, when a simple file structure can provide all that is needed to find a piece of music, while being so easy to set up and manage, without having to delve into things someone else may have coded dofferently.

But given that metadata is so important, atbleast on many platforms, the crucial thing is that to try to understand what metadata is used for what, ideally across platforms, as you want your music to be just as accessible if for any reason in te future you change anything - you don’t want to have to redo metadata across your collection to be anpble to play it. Checking metadata and correctin/adding/adjusting at the time of ripping or downloading is not a major task, but it is once you have 100s of albums to do. So, rip a few, maybe deliberately selecting a variety of genres and labels to maximise the variability, and have a good look at the metadata - and if confused about the plethora of, for example , artist tags and which are critical for common media servers I am sure you’d get guidance from this forum.

 

 

Hi, Innocent Bystander.

Good points, all.  I do not know how or if UnitiServe will serve to other players; but knowing it is likely ripping as WAV, and storing metadata in a separate database, I think the ND players are the surest way to go, with least liklihood of needing to repair metadata to work on a broader array of products.  

Fearing this, myself, I decided not to buy a Naim server, for all their virtues, and rip to AIFF with XLD, to nail metadata the first time, and allow me to go back to iTunes, if I ever wanted to.  (At the time, iTunes did not support FLAC.)

If BILL_NYC has a Naim amp or pre, and/or CD player, ND streamers will provide system automation to control all of them, including volume control, seamless source switching on the nDAC and pre, and full control of CD.  I do not know how to get these benefits from any other players.  None of this is a stated requirement, though.

Audio is a fun hobby; the variety of options and potential for different goals and interesting outcomes is part of that.  

Nick

NickSeattle posted:

Hi, Innocent Bystander.

Good points, all.  I do not know how or if UnitiServe will serve to other players; but knowing it is likely ripping as WAV, and storing metadata in a separate database, I think the ND players are the surest way to go, with least liklihood of needing to repair metadata to work on a broader array of products.  

Fearing this, myself, I decided not to buy a Naim server, for all their virtues, and rip to AIFF with XLD, to nail metadata the first time, and allow me to go back to iTunes, if I ever wanted to.  (At the time, iTunes did not support FLAC.)

If BILL_NYC has a Naim amp or pre, and/or CD player, ND streamers will provide system automation to control all of them, including volume control, seamless source switching on the nDAC and pre, and full control of CD.  I do not know how to get these benefits from any other players.  None of this is a stated requirement, though.

Audio is a fun hobby; the variety of options and potential for different goals and interesting outcomes is part of that.  

Nick

Clearly posted to the wrong thread.  Apologies.  

Nick

Derelict posted:

So I tried dbpoweramp cd ripper ripping with Flac (just default settings) - Perfect! 

Downloaded and installed the 'Asset' UPnP program from dbpoweramp. - Amazing!!

This is EXACTLY what I wanted. Now to rip all the CDs, remove the monitor and leave the Mac mini as a little server box. 

Would be nice to have a auto rip and eject feature, so I don't have to reconnect the monitor and keyboard every time I buy new CDs (or inherit old ones friends and family are throwing out) 

Bit late to this, and others may have already said it but you don’t need a keyboard and monitor connected to your MM if you have another Mac at home - screen sharing works perfectly well. 

And for all it’s faults, one thing iTunes does much better than e.g. my Core is to ignore “The” when sorting on band names. On what planet does Teenage Fanclub come before The Beatles? Can’t be that difficult a piece of code to write... (it only ignores the first “The” of course).

davidsee posted:
Derelict posted:

So I tried dbpoweramp cd ripper ripping with Flac (just default settings) - Perfect! 

Downloaded and installed the 'Asset' UPnP program from dbpoweramp. - Amazing!!

This is EXACTLY what I wanted. Now to rip all the CDs, remove the monitor and leave the Mac mini as a little server box. 

Would be nice to have a auto rip and eject feature, so I don't have to reconnect the monitor and keyboard every time I buy new CDs (or inherit old ones friends and family are throwing out) 

Bit late to this, and others may have already said it but you don’t need a keyboard and monitor connected to your MM if you have another Mac at home - screen sharing works perfectly well. 

And for all it’s faults, one thing iTunes does much better than e.g. my Core is to ignore “The” when sorting on band names. On what planet does Teenage Fanclub come before The Beatles? Can’t be that difficult a piece of code to write... (it only ignores the first “The” of course).

I have a simple solution to this problem for you - it has annoyed me ever since I bought a Unitiserve, but now, I only ever listen to albums by The The, and my OCD is now totally cured.

ChrisSU posted:
davidsee posted:
Derelict posted:

So I tried dbpoweramp cd ripper ripping with Flac (just default settings) - Perfect! 

Downloaded and installed the 'Asset' UPnP program from dbpoweramp. - Amazing!!

This is EXACTLY what I wanted. Now to rip all the CDs, remove the monitor and leave the Mac mini as a little server box. 

Would be nice to have a auto rip and eject feature, so I don't have to reconnect the monitor and keyboard every time I buy new CDs (or inherit old ones friends and family are throwing out) 

Bit late to this, and others may have already said it but you don’t need a keyboard and monitor connected to your MM if you have another Mac at home - screen sharing works perfectly well. 

And for all it’s faults, one thing iTunes does much better than e.g. my Core is to ignore “The” when sorting on band names. On what planet does Teenage Fanclub come before The Beatles? Can’t be that difficult a piece of code to write... (it only ignores the first “The” of course).

I have a simple solution to this problem for you - it has annoyed me ever since I bought a Unitiserve, but now, I only ever listen to albums by The The, and my OCD is now totally cured.

Or just use a decent UPnP server! We can get used to (almost) everything, of course. But do we have to do so?

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