Are we sleep-walking out of Europe ?

Ron,

such a vote wouldn't be meaningful, but totally meaningless to a huge majority of electorate; like asking a vegetarian how they'd like a steak cooked, well done or rare.

I can't see them getting away with such a obvious outrage to UK democracy, however the Peoples Vote specifies having the option of remaining with the EU,

I strongly believe a Peoples Vote will prevail and the outcome of the vote save us from the bonkers Brexit abyss of doom.

Debs

Debs,

I do hope you are right. It's what myself. IB and a few others have been recommending and hoping for at the very least.

Personally, I would be happy for the Gov to wake up and tell us this nightmare is over, we are remaining ! But I don't hold much hope for that !

And whilst i'm not a vegitarian, I do like your analagy.

 

The use of the word 'facist' in relation to those of us who voted for the UK to leave the EU is simply ridiculous.

It also demeans the efforts of those who fought real Facism during WW2.

Would you consider Corbyn a Nazi as he almost certainly voted for Brexit. Or Frank Field.

Whilst I am sure it would be incorrect to assume or suggest that all those who voted for Brexit are fascists, and quite possibly, even likely, that not even a majority are, I do suspect that people in Britain who are fascists, or who have fascist leanings, are quite likely to have voted that way, and may well have been behind the false assertions and misleading suggestions that Brexit would stop immigration in general, including immigration by non-white people from outside the EU.

Based on my own experiences after years at a Uni in Sussex doing post graduate research, I think most of the educated are quite liberal, tolerated. However, most of the British are very much concerned about the immigration, especially the people in rural areas, or small towns, or in low-income areas in major cities, somehow this pattern fit the profile of the people who voted in favor of Brexit?

I have encountered the phrase "We are just a small island" (in the context of immigration) many times.

thebigfredc posted:

The use of the word 'facist' in relation to those of us who voted for the UK to leave the EU is simply ridiculous.

It also demeans the efforts of those who fought real Facism during WW2.

Would you consider Corbyn a Nazi as he almost certainly voted for Brexit. Or Frank Field.

Definition of Fascist (OED):

  1. 1.1 A person who is extremely right-wing or authoritarian.

    ‘thousands of fascists and nationalists marched in the capital’
     
  2. 1.2 A person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area.

    ‘I'm a bit of a spelling fascist, but still have blind spots over words like ‘privilege’ or ‘separate’’

     

    Fascist does not mean Nazi. and some Brexiteers are indeed "very intolerant or domineering in a particular area" - but a few Remainers are as well...

     

 

Thanks for clearing that up Samclaus,

The subtitles of language however always come into play when it comes to the different meaning attributed to the same word in different contexts.

I think your spelling example at definition 2 trivialises the word and is nothing like the political context IB actually used it in '...Brexit facist ideology'. So I see it as making a link between the present day Brexit supporters and the facist ideology of Hitler/Mussolini et al and as such think it is really quite unfair and unpleasant.

Ray

 

thebigfredc posted:

Thanks for clearing that up Samclaus,

The subtitles of language however always come into play when it comes to the different meaning attributed to the same word in different contexts.

I think your spelling example at definition 2 trivialises the word and is nothing like the political context IB actually used it in '...Brexit facist ideology'. So I see it as making a link between the present day Brexit supporters and the facist ideology of Hitler/Mussolini et al and as such think it is really quite unfair and unpleasant.

Ray

 

I did not say, suggest or imply that. My only contribution mentioning fascists followed that and was was rather different

thebigfredc posted:

Thanks for clearing that up Samclaus,

The subtitles of language however always come into play when it comes to the different meaning attributed to the same word in different contexts.

I think your spelling example at definition 2 trivialises the word and is nothing like the political context IB actually used it in '...Brexit facist ideology'. So I see it as making a link between the present day Brexit supporters and the facist ideology of Hitler/Mussolini et al and as such think it is really quite unfair and unpleasant.

Ray

 

Yes, I do agree the word has been trivialised - and I would personally be reluctant to use the word fascist in that context.

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