Atom - DELAYED AGAIN?!?!

ssmith posted:

So any official confirmation yet?

Hi,

As per my previous posting (and confirmed again this afternoon) - once we have all the final certs approved and in then we can start shipping units ...

As far as I am aware we have not released any official notification that all certifications are now signed off and the information I have is that there are still some outstanding.

Cheers

Phil

I know I said I would detach myself from this post and channel energy elsewhere; except I have to comment on a point I made earlier somewhere in here. The disties, resellers, dealers, what ever you guy's call them in your channel need to be controlled. They are either BS-ing - (I can only image to retain back order sales) or they are passing on information rom Naim that is channel specific non-end user facing communication that may even be under NDA. I've read the post on the Netherlands distie site, it's quite specific. This may also tie in with one of the dealers suggestion of a Naim issued e-mail sent a couple of weeks ago that was denied.

Thank you Phil for jumping in and setting the record straight.  

All the best.

P.S. @Tastiehastie77 Hopefully soon, Pal - finally on arrival: 1st a 24 hour burn-in.; then an array of snax, a quality bottle of red, TIDAL and lifetime collection of flac files and listen until the early hours.

 

"P.S. @Tastiehastie77 Hopefully soon, Pal - finally on arrival: 1st a 24 hour burn-in.; then an array of snax, a quality bottle of red, TIDAL and lifetime collection of flac files and listen until the early hours."

You sir are a man after my own heart....soon!

What speakers are you going to use?

And for what it's worth (a pinch of tiny salt) i had an unprompted text off my dealer today....first week in July!

Phil Harris posted:
ssmith posted:

So any official confirmation yet?

Hi,

As per my previous posting (and confirmed again this afternoon) - once we have all the final certs approved and in then we can start shipping units ...

As far as I am aware we have not released any official notification that all certifications are now signed off and the information I have is that there are still some outstanding.

Cheers

Phil

Hi Phil,

Thanks for responding. Could be me being stupid but yours is the first official Naim post I have seen today.

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't know yet, I haven't got a huge budget for this system, those days have gone with 2 kids under 3! And have had some in the past that I've been really unhappy with. ATC 19 I'll try, PMC 22 perhaps. I love the look (I know, I know, you don't listed with your eyes) of the Aria 906's, I'm told that they are "exceptionally well" matched with the Atom and NAP100 which I have, not sure if that's spin because Focal are owned by the same group as Naim or if they really are suited. If they are that good, they are comparatively cheap so that's great. I have some Chord Odyssey which I'll keep for now and connect at all up with a Chord Shawline and a couple their Cat cables or some Audioquest ones.

First week in July would be great, I have the week off!

You had any thoughts? I would love some speaker guidance; I've had WB Arc's & SQ2's Spendor, B&W etc and none of them overwhelmed me and I've had lots of different kit over the years.

I went for some B&W Cm10s2...I bought them when O ordered the Uniti, On paper they will be grossly under powered by the atom, But actually rather surprising (I demonstrated them with a nap100) just how well they sound. If worst comes to the worst, I shall hide a nap 200 in a cupboard somewhere ��.

Eloise posted:
Iconoclast posted:

Will there be any other software besides the proprietary Naim app that can be used to control the Atom?

Depends in what way you want to control it ... any UPnP control point will work.

Interesting ... the Naim app cannot be used to control non-Naim renderers but any UPnP control point shall be able to control a Naim renderer?

nbpf posted:
Eloise posted:
Iconoclast posted:

Will there be any other software besides the proprietary Naim app that can be used to control the Atom?

Depends in what way you want to control it ... any UPnP control point will work.

Interesting ... the Naim app cannot be used to control non-Naim renderers but any UPnP control point shall be able to control a Naim renderer?

Hi,

No - not really - a UPnP control point will be able to control a limited range of UPnP functionality on them but will not be able to control any of the other functionality of the Atom / Star / Nova...

Best

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
nbpf posted:
Eloise posted:
Iconoclast posted:

Will there be any other software besides the proprietary Naim app that can be used to control the Atom?

Depends in what way you want to control it ... any UPnP control point will work.

Interesting ... the Naim app cannot be used to control non-Naim renderers but any UPnP control point shall be able to control a Naim renderer?

Hi,

No - not really - a UPnP control point will be able to control a limited range of UPnP functionality on them but will not be able to control any of the other functionality of the Atom / Star / Nova...

Best

Phil

Question of licensing and rights to use ??

ndx202- posted:
Phil Harris posted:

Hi,

No - not really - a UPnP control point will be able to control a limited range of UPnP functionality on them but will not be able to control any of the other functionality of the Atom / Star / Nova...

Best

Phil

Question of licensing and rights to use ??

Hi,

No - just that UPnP control points don't have any concept of all the additional non-UPnP functionality that the units have and only implement the UPnP control set - the units have a completely different control protocol that is used by the Naim app to enable complete control of all the functionality of the streamers.

Cheers

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
nbpf posted:
Eloise posted:
Iconoclast posted:

Will there be any other software besides the proprietary Naim app that can be used to control the Atom?

Depends in what way you want to control it ... any UPnP control point will work.

Interesting ... the Naim app cannot be used to control non-Naim renderers but any UPnP control point shall be able to control a Naim renderer?

Hi,

No - not really - a UPnP control point will be able to control a limited range of UPnP functionality on them but will not be able to control any of the other functionality of the Atom / Star / Nova...

Best

Phil

Sure, a non-Naim control point cannot be aware of Naim-specific functionalities in much the same way as it cannot be aware of Linn-specific or Auralic-specific functionalities. Still, I find it remarkable that Naim renderers can talk to any UPnP control points but Naim's UPnP control point can only talk to Naim renderers! Perhaps it is a good idea to constrain the usability of the Naim app to Naim renderers although this very much limits its popularity, of course. Best, nbpf   

nbpf posted:

Sure, a non-Naim control point cannot be aware of Naim-specific functionalities in much the same way as it cannot be aware of Linn-specific or Auralic-specific functionalities. Still, I find it remarkable that Naim renderers can talk to any UPnP control points but Naim's UPnP control point can only talk to Naim renderers! Perhaps it is a good idea to constrain the usability of the Naim app to Naim renderers although this very much limits its popularity, of course. Best, nbpf   

Hi,

You're making the assumption though that the Naim app is a UPnP control point (which it isn't) ...

The Naim App communicates with the Naim streamers via an extensive (and proprietary) control protocol that is not a superset of the very basic UPnP protocols. 

Best

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
nbpf posted:

Sure, a non-Naim control point cannot be aware of Naim-specific functionalities in much the same way as it cannot be aware of Linn-specific or Auralic-specific functionalities. Still, I find it remarkable that Naim renderers can talk to any UPnP control points but Naim's UPnP control point can only talk to Naim renderers! Perhaps it is a good idea to constrain the usability of the Naim app to Naim renderers although this very much limits its popularity, of course. Best, nbpf   

Hi,

You're making the assumption though that the Naim app is a UPnP control point (which it isn't) ...

The Naim App communicates with the Naim streamers via an extensive (and proprietary) control protocol that is not a superset of the very basic UPnP protocols. 

Best

Phil

To the extent to which Naim streamers can be controlled by UPnP control points, they are UPnP streamers. From this perspective, the Naim app is indeed a control point for UPnP streamers, albeit only for certain ones.

I understand that the Naim app communicates with the Naim streamers via a protocol that is not a superset of the UPnP protocols. Still this protocol (or a subset thereof) does not prevent Naim streamers from successfully communicating with UPnP control points.

That the other way round does not work is therefore a design choice, not a necessity. I am not arguing that it is a bad choice, just that it is a remarkable one.

Best,

nbpf 

nbpf posted:

To the extent to which Naim streamers can be controlled by UPnP control points, they are UPnP streamers. From this perspective, the Naim app is indeed a control point for UPnP streamers, albeit only for certain ones.



Hi,

Slightly flawed logic though there nbpf - that's like saying "I put a collar and lead on my dog to walk it and it seems to enjoy it - my dog has four legs and so has my cat - so why does my cat scratch my arms when I try to put a collar and lead on it?"



nbpf posted:

I understand that the Naim app communicates with the Naim streamers via a protocol that is not a superset of the UPnP protocols. Still this protocol (or a subset thereof) does not prevent Naim streamers from successfully communicating with UPnP control points.



Absolutely correct - and other UPnP control points can control a limited subset of the streamer functionality as far as UPnP control extends.



nbpf posted:

That the other way round does not work is therefore a design choice, not a necessity. I am not arguing that it is a bad choice, just that it is a remarkable one.

Best,

nbpf 



Not really remarkable when we would then have had to write our app to "talk" both our own control protocols and UPnP and to somehow try to figure out the capabilities of third party devices that it was being asked to control. The app is to control our products and allows control of all the functionality of those products - not just browsing of UPnP servers.

Cheers

Phil

Sloop John B posted:

Must say what I find remarkable is the fact that the Naim app controlling other UPnP devices is even worth discussing. 

Why would they bother?

why do we care?

Why an I even writing this?

I feel a Becket moment coming on!

 

I'm struggling to understand why this makes you a martyr?!

ChrisSU posted:
Sloop John B posted:

Must say what I find remarkable is the fact that the Naim app controlling other UPnP devices is even worth discussing. 

Why would they bother?

why do we care?

Why an I even writing this?

I feel a Becket moment coming on!

 

I'm struggling to understand why this makes you a martyr?!

I'm struggling to understand why I don't have an Atom sitting in my living room, let alone what app works with it.

ssmith posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Sloop John B posted:

Must say what I find remarkable is the fact that the Naim app controlling other UPnP devices is even worth discussing. 

Why would they bother?

why do we care?

Why an I even writing this?

I feel a Becket moment coming on!

 

I'm struggling to understand why this makes you a martyr?!

I'm struggling to understand why I don't have an Atom sitting in my living room, let alone what app works with it.

ssmith posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Sloop John B posted:

Must say what I find remarkable is the fact that the Naim app controlling other UPnP devices is even worth discussing. 

Why would they bother?

why do we care?

Why an I even writing this?

I feel a Becket moment coming on!

 

I'm struggling to understand why this makes you a martyr?!

I'm struggling to understand why I don't have an Atom sitting in my living room, let alone what app works with it.

Mid June innit??! 

Totally passed giving a toss now, the shine has somewhat dulled....see what the next crazy instalment brings! Lol

Gents (and Ladies), chill, the weather is lovely outside. Stop stressing about flippin' Unitis, UPnP control points, late deliveries, UPnP protocols, Naim specific funtionalities (the list goes on) and get outside and smell the roses. This could be the only summer we get!

nigelb posted:

Gents, chill, the weather is lovely outside. Stop stressing about flippin' Unitis, UPnP control points, late deliveries, UPnP protocols, Naim specific funtionalities (the list goes on) and get outside and smell the roses. This could be the only summer we get!

I just managed to squeeze an 8 K jog between intermittent showers. Took my mind off the forum for a while and helped put things in perspective. So far the weather this summer has been terrible which makes me think about hi-fi more than I normally would during the summer. That being said I'll only know if I'm interested in the Atom when I actually have a chance to ''test drive'' one. Besides speculating how it will sound I'm totally unfamiliar with the Naim app. The latter could easily be a deal breaker for me which in a way is a good thing as it keeps me from suffering from the high anxiety that some members appear to be experiencing. In other words I won't get exited until I'm sure I want one.  

Update on the progress thread:

 

"22nd June

We are so nearly there with certifications and are just awaiting final approval from Google, Spotify and AirPlay.  We are in close contact with all these organisations to ensure we are doing everything possible to conform to their regulations.

We will be in contact again once we have passed the certifications process, at which point we can start programming ready to ship your Uniti Atoms."

Eoink posted:

Update on the progress thread:

 

"22nd June

We are so nearly there with certifications and are just awaiting final approval from Google, Spotify and AirPlay.  We are in close contact with all these organisations to ensure we are doing everything possible to conform to their regulations.

We will be in contact again once we have passed the certifications process, at which point we can start programming ready to ship your Uniti Atoms."

Does that include shipping the hdmi versions of atom, or are they further delayed

 

Cbr600 posted:
Eoink posted:

Update on the progress thread:

 

"22nd June

We are so nearly there with certifications and are just awaiting final approval from Google, Spotify and AirPlay.  We are in close contact with all these organisations to ensure we are doing everything possible to conform to their regulations.

We will be in contact again once we have passed the certifications process, at which point we can start programming ready to ship your Uniti Atoms."

Does that include shipping the hdmi versions of atom, or are they further delayed

 

"No answer came the stern reply"

But Cbr600 I am intrigued to know what is important to you about the ARC input. Since you cannot use the Atom as an HDMI hub, there is no actual "returning" of audio to be done. Seems to me that you sacrifice an HDMI input (with ARC)  to your TV to get two channel audio to the Atom. I plan simply to use the digital audio output from my TV to the Atom for sound. Or is it that there are control features related to the ARC input?

I have asked before but have not yet had an explanation of the advantages. Happy to be proved wrong though.

Roger

if the  TV has optical it can of course be used. if however you wish to watch TV with only one remote the HMDI ARC feature on the Atom should allow for volume control from the TV remote to be passed down to the Atom,Star,Nova in order to make things simpler in life for that use case. ive used it for TV only, apple TV into TV and then into an Atom (volume from the Apple TV remote) and other scenarios.

Trevor

Eoink posted:

Update on the progress thread:

 

"22nd June

We are so nearly there with certifications and are just awaiting final approval from Google, Spotify and AirPlay.  We are in close contact with all these organisations to ensure we are doing everything possible to conform to their regulations.

We will be in contact again once we have passed the certifications process, at which point we can start programming ready to ship your Uniti Atoms."

And there's me thinking this would have been done pre launch last October!!

Kermit posted:
Eoink posted:

Update on the progress thread:

 

"22nd June

We are so nearly there with certifications and are just awaiting final approval from Google, Spotify and AirPlay.  We are in close contact with all these organisations to ensure we are doing everything possible to conform to their regulations.

We will be in contact again once we have passed the certifications process, at which point we can start programming ready to ship your Uniti Atoms."

And there's me thinking this would have been done pre launch last October!!

At this juncture I will be happy if it is before this October.

For some reason I though there was one outstanding certification, but this seems to have grown to three. An issue with one problematic company I can understand, but when it's three, you start questioning where the problem really is. 

Klout10 posted:

There might be some interaction between these three from an implementation point of view ...

It's more likely to be that they have passed the testing at the 3rd party labs and just need now to get the certificates from the brand owners. Apple, Google et al won't do the testing themselves. And will take their time because that's the way it is.

best

David

I think that this post has gone full circle now. Naim have issued various versions of the truth of the past few months, the dealer network, specifically the three I have been in contact with have made it up as they’ve gone along. I just hope that these boxes exceed expectations and that we are not here next October complaining about technical issues or compatibility nuances that further exacerbate the situation. 

Any thoughts Naim regarding offering some kind of goodwill gesture to your patient customers who have waited 7 months for one of these Uniti products? I ordered an Atom  (and sold) my current system in November, thinking I was picking my Atom in a couple of weeks? 

Kermit posted:

Any thoughts Naim regarding offering some kind of goodwill gesture to your patient customers who have waited 7 months for one of these Uniti products? I ordered an Atom  (and sold) my current system in November, thinking I was picking my Atom in a couple of weeks? 

Rumour has it a new batch of Naim mugs are in the kiln as I type. 

 

.sjb

Redux ...

I suggest launching at RMAF 2017, (who really paid attention the first time anyway). I mean what's a simple 360 trip around the sun amongst friends, the boys in marketing can turn into a rocketing advantage. 

Naim was simply waiting on planetary alignment for a proper launch window. 

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