Best shoe box pre-amp

Is there a shoe box sized naim preamp better than the V1? I'm trying to build a second streaming system (uq as streamer+nap100), using a rack specially made for shoe boxes and would like to end up with something better than a SU.

Thank you.

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72 is probably the best shoe box Naim pre, owned three 72s over the years also owned the 32.5 and 42.

Previously I have used a 72 with a UQ just as a streamer, set the volume on the UQ to around 85 and fed this in line level to the 72.

Also added a Hugo on the digital output of the UQ into the same 72 with great results but in the end I opted for a 272 that is currently in use.

Don't forget if using the NAP100 you will require a HiCap for the 72.

I’m not sure you will beat the SU all the time the UQ is the source. Would it really make sense to have a UQ, a 72, a Hicap and a 100? Two pairs of different styled boxes. Wouldn’t an SU be better? It would certainly be a lot simpler, with no built in redundancy. These stand alone boxes really don’t make sense as a source, with most of it unused. 

hungryhalibut posted:

I don’t know. Neither seem like a very efficient way of going about things. A lot depends on how much you value collecting little boxes. For a  good simple system that wasn’t an SU I’d be looking at a 172/155 or an ND5XS and Nait XS. 

It would defy the purpose. I'm trying to build a system with half-size boxes (I have a really nice Cyrus Hark rack) but if in the end it cant compete with a SU, I might as well get the SU instead and be done with it!

Dan.S posted:

Would you say 72+HiCap+Uq+Nap100 is better than V1+UQ+Nap100? Is it better than SU?

I doubt it personally. I've tried

UQ/102/Hicap/180

UQ/180

SU

SU/180

SU/250

and I'd say the performance gets better down the list (although top 2 was more that I didn't hear enough benefit to keep the 102/Hicap.

The SU power stage is better than the 100 and I believe the DAC is closer in design to the NDAC than the V1 is. But I've never heard a V1 so can't comment on how it compares. 

I’m interested in this to. I’m running a second system of UC2/NAP100 into Totem Hawks and want more power through the Hawks (I also run a Core to both of my systems). What’s the bettter option, a NAP200 in place of the 100, or maybe the NAIT XS2 (the better headphone stage is attractive), either option running of my UC2 as the streamer/DAC? Can the NAP100 have a second one added to the system, powering each speaker even?

Mike Sullivan posted:

I’m interested in this to. I’m running a second system of UC2/NAP100 into Totem Hawks and want more power through the Hawks (I also run a Core to both of my systems). What’s the bettter option, a NAP200 in place of the 100, or maybe the NAIT XS2 (the better headphone stage is attractive), either option running of my UC2 as the streamer/DAC? Can the NAP100 have a second one added to the system, powering each speaker even?

Sell both and buy a SU. Plenty available at <£1800. you'd be upgrading DAC, preamp, power amp and headphone amp. A bargain. 

Counter argument would only be if you plan to upgrade to better source / preamp overtime. 

JedT posted:
Mike Sullivan posted:

I’m interested in this to. I’m running a second system of UC2/NAP100 into Totem Hawks and want more power through the Hawks (I also run a Core to both of my systems). What’s the bettter option, a NAP200 in place of the 100, or maybe the NAIT XS2 (the better headphone stage is attractive), either option running of my UC2 as the streamer/DAC? Can the NAP100 have a second one added to the system, powering each speaker even?

Sell both and buy a SU. Plenty available at <£1800. you'd be upgrading DAC, preamp, power amp and headphone amp. A bargain. 

Counter argument would only be if you plan to upgrade to better source / preamp overtime. 

Thanks, I’ll look into that as an option then. I’m in New Zealand, so not sure of the second hand market.

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