Best speakers for 555/552/500

As I set here on a rainy afternoon my thoughts are wandering  to what speakers you would consider for a nd555/552/500dr system?   I’m intrigued by ATC active speakers but good luck finding anything above a scm100 in the USA.  I’m considering Kudos and own Focal.  Magico are a lot of money. Just want to hear from some of you that may have already made this decision.  And please, don’t reply if your answer is “you have to listen for yourself”, I get that.  

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Ok, always like opening a can of worms but...I do believe there is some consensus here that Naim + Kudos = beautiful music. Titans 808 are SPECIAL in every sense and a mighty heir to the DBL.

Best out there? No clue (could b for sure) but to these ears, a fantastic combination. Itf the itch doesn’t stop there and you (like me) have some kind of OCD, Chord Music cables will be next perfect match....

//Jonas

Jonas Olofsson posted:

Ok, always like opening a can of worms but...I do believe there is some consensus here that Naim + Kudos = beautiful music. Titans 808 are SPECIAL in every sense and a mighty heir to the DBL.

Best out there? No clue (could b for sure) but to these ears, a fantastic combination. Itf the itch doesn’t stop there and you (like me) have some kind of OCD, Chord Music cables will be next perfect match....

//Jonas

I heard them with the ND555 and Statement amps....yes very good, but the Statement needs something more special. But for us mere mortals, mighty fine.

I refuse to admit that the statement series even exists!  The 500 series is it for me.  I just have to rule out the atc active speakers before I add a 500dr amp to my current system.  In the USA I can’t even find a 100 in stock anywhere.  Then I would only be able to hear it at its location, not with my gear.  I just don’t see the ATC happening.  With that in mind,  Tyler with Kudos will do anything, unreal how good he is.  So, If I trade/upgrade speakers Kudos, 808’s are the leading candidate.  

I’m a bit biased here but Naim 500 series and Kudos 808 can’t go wrong together. IMHO. 

As you might know, Derek (Kudos founder) uses Naim when developing his speakers. I heard his pair 808 in his house a couple of years ago with Naim electronics. Unbelievably good! 

//Jonas

davidf posted:

Zack- u are not happy with your Focal’s?

david 

In order to get the rich, full body sound I like I have a pair of rel subs (G1 Mark ll).  The only problem with the subs is they don’t handle medium to loud volume on lots of songs.  Already blown one on Adele’s “I miss you” or maybe it was Post Malone.  They are wonderful on low to medium volume.  I’m just exploring all options and I got excited when Kodos became an option.  Without the subs, the Focals are not what I like.  May not have enough amp to drive them.   They are the Maestro Uptopia’s.  I have full SuperLumina and a regular fraim stand.  Upgrading the NDS to the new 555 after first of year, I have the opportunity to test drive the Kudos 808 at that time.   Hopefully they will provide the added bottom end I like.   If not then I may consider upgrading/changing  the subs.  

With that level of amplification, a careful demo is going to be a must. I think the only thing the forum can do is out ideas in your head for shortlisting.

As well as the fine speakers mentioned, if I had  500 system, I would also be looking at PMC offerings like the Fact 12 or IB2se and MB2se.

The latter may still be too much speaker for a single NAP500 though.

Zackwater posted:

I refuse to admit that the statement series even exists!  The 500 series is it for me.  I just have to rule out the atc active speakers before I add a 500dr amp to my current system.  In the USA I can’t even find a 100 in stock anywhere.  Then I would only be able to hear it at its location, not with my gear.  I just don’t see the ATC happening.  With that in mind,  Tyler with Kudos will do anything, unreal how good he is.  So, If I trade/upgrade speakers Kudos, 808’s are the leading candidate.  

I heard active Kudos 707 about 1 1/2 years ago -- that was with a 300 series system. Marvellous! Active 808 with a 500 series system is probably very, very special indeed...

feeling_zen posted:

With that level of amplification, a careful demo is going to be a must. I think the only thing the forum can do is out ideas in your head for shortlisting.

As well as the fine speakers mentioned, if I had  500 system, I would also be looking at PMC offerings like the Fact 12 or IB2se and MB2se.

The latter may still be too much speaker for a single NAP500 though.

Do you think the 500dr is not enough amp for the MB2se?

I think I'd ask a dealer familiar with both the amp and speaker. Or even ping PMC. 

PMC speakers in the pro range are generalky driven by amps with a fair bit more power than a NAP500.

It might not be a problem at all. Or you might need to bi/triamp purely for power handling reasons. A bit of expert advice from a dealer or PMC would be key here.

Hi OP... I’m entirely with those who asked about the qualities of your room. And to that your listening habits. So here goes...

The 500 is a super amp; that said an active solution has very good potential. I would never upset the flavor of a properly set up Naim system. So I hope that which you use next doesn’t lose the mojo of the streamer and preamp.

HOW you listen is anybody’s guess: if you’ve Focals I hope it’s an Utopia 3; in which case it’s going to be tough for any of the other speakers mentioned here to match up in absolute speed; maybe have someone come dial them in... the Jbls mentioned here for one might not have that speed, but have great dispersion and a rawness that is somehow more authentic then an overtly clean sound which many modern speakers happen to be cursed with (as well as a small-scale sound). Genesis (Seattle) should give you a blend between the Focals and the JBLs. Neats are solid performers and are a reliable buy. Vivids too. 

At at the risk of sounding pedantic... this in cognizance of what your room can support acoustically and good setup. That Nd555 you have (congrats btw) will run in over 6 months just by leaving it on and with it the rest of your system as you play it.

I have no idea where in the US you can get Audiovector speakers, and no idea when the sr8 is beginning to ship to dealers, but according to my dealer they are very special. In his view they are in some ways better than the r11, witch is the best speakers I have heard, but also by far the most expensive! Previously Audiovector was the Danish Naim distributor so older models was for sure tested on Naim electronics, And as I understand it Naim gear is still used along other brands. The nice thing about the rs8 is that it is not possible to get them in an active version.

Claus

My thoughts are with speakers you are governed by the room. There is a tenancy to shove a big set of speakers in a relatively modest room .... obviously some are lucky enough to have very large spaces ....  My 500 system is in a smallish room driving ... wait for it pmc20.21's and they sound epic.... and they dig surprisingly deep. I have a thing for small speakers .... but hey that's just my personal choice. If I had the space I would like to listen to a decent set of magicos....

Richieroo posted:

My thoughts are with speakers you are governed by the room. There is a tenancy to shove a big set of speakers in a relatively modest room .... obviously some are lucky enough to have very large spaces ....  My 500 system is in a smallish room driving ... wait for it pmc20.21's and they sound epic.... and they dig surprisingly deep. I have a thing for small speakers .... but hey that's just my personal choice. If I had the space I would like to listen to a decent set of magicos....

My room is rectangular around 20’ by 40’ (around 6m by 12).  There’re is a hallway leading into it that one set of speakers sets near the wall with the open hallway beside it. On the other side is a standard corner with the speaker not in the corner but  few feet off it.  

Davone Grandes if you can find a place to audition them.  There are dealers in San Antonio TX, Layton UT, and Memphis TN; I don't know which is the closest to you.  I love mine thru a "measly" 300-level system, in a room about the same size as yours.

analogmusic posted:

Eithe the new dynaudio confidence range or hi end Sonus Fabers... of course the new focal Sopra must be auditioned also. 

and forget Magico. I’m very disappointed with them. 

Sorry to hear about the Magicos.  I've enjoyed hearing them but have only heard them with very high current amplification.

Zackwater posted:

My room is rectangular around 20’ by 40’ (around 6m by 12).  There’re is a hallway leading into it that one set of speakers sets near the wall with the open hallway beside it. On the other side is a standard corner with the speaker not in the corner but  few feet off it.  

Nice size, even if one dimension is unfortunately double the other. 

Zackwater posted:

Not in that price range.  Even though it’s a big room, I never set over 4m to 6 m back from the speakers.  

The theoretical optimum position would be about 4.6m (38%) from one end, with the speakers at that end, usually away from the walls so plane of front of speakers to listening position maybe rather less than even 4m - though of course other positions may also work well...

 

Zackwater, with that kit you are in a awesome position!

My guess verry few speakers will be a bad fit electrical or power vice. The question is more to find a speaker that suits your room and personal taste. I had dynaudio c2s but after a move the bas became to prominent for my taste and I wanted something leaner, so I thought standmount or sealed box...

I only got around to listen to two speakers the latest sonus faber standmount (reflex) and Magico S1 mk2 (sealed). The Magicos intrigued me enough to arange a home demo, even if they were a bit to lean and almost shrill in the demo there was hints of quallities that I thought could work for me in my room. I newer heard the brigger models but assume they must be awsome in a 500 series system and I believe could be easier to get to work in most rooms compared to reflex designs. 

my shortlist 

sealed: Magico, YG (not heard but get good feedback and was my next stop if S1 had not done it for me), if I had a suitable solid wall SL2s

relex: Dynaudio confidence,  Kef Reference, PMC, Sonus Faber... (the list becomes long)

electrostat: Quad esl

 

Hi Zack,

 

I went on a similar search for my perfect pair of speakers for my CD555, 552/500. Just like this thread, many fine pairs of speakers were mentioned  and I ended up with a pair of Kudos 808's. I have heard most of the alleged best pair of speakers over the last ten years or so but for me, the Kudos do everything I want in abundance.

 

What I would suggest is you narrow the list down to say three or four and then have an extended listen to each pair, preferably at home and go for the one that you prefer. 

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