Best speakers for 555/552/500

Hmm, 6m x 12m is a pretty big space to fill... you already have the Maestro Utopia, which is good down to 25Hz... my ‘little’ Scalas bottom out at around 27Hz. In my room 4m x 5m these work well, so you have about 2.5 times the volume. The Maestro has a 2nd bass driver, but obviously this is not enough to give you the room filling bass you desire. This needs a seriously big, powerful speaker... have you considered moving your gear into a smaller room?  I’m not convinced that the usual Kudos recommendations will help much in this scenario.

Remember to focus on the naim sound. If you like the naim DNA forget about the speakers that rose tint the sound. Eg Sonus Faber. 

I have a good friend with 552-500 DR system headed by NDS/cd555 and his SL2 speaker work just fine. Maybe not For your room, but as an  example. Got to get that pRat!!

DaveBk posted:

Hmm, 6m x 12m is a pretty big space to fill... you already have the Maestro Utopia, which is good down to 25Hz... my ‘little’ Scalas bottom out at around 27Hz. In my room 4m x 5m these work well, so you have about 2.5 times the volume. The Maestro has a 2nd bass driver, but obviously this is not enough to give you the room filling bass you desire. This needs a seriously big, powerful speaker... have you considered moving your gear into a smaller room?  I’m not convinced that the usual Kudos recommendations will help much in this scenario.

Others would kill for a decently sized room like that! You don’t need normally to ‘fill’ the room with sound, rather have it sound good at the listening position, which might be only maybe 4m from the speakers, though of course in a room that size there is the option for something on a grander scale.

Innocent Bystander posted:
DaveBk posted:

Hmm, 6m x 12m is a pretty big space to fill... you already have the Maestro Utopia, which is good down to 25Hz... my ‘little’ Scalas bottom out at around 27Hz. In my room 4m x 5m these work well, so you have about 2.5 times the volume. The Maestro has a 2nd bass driver, but obviously this is not enough to give you the room filling bass you desire. This needs a seriously big, powerful speaker... have you considered moving your gear into a smaller room?  I’m not convinced that the usual Kudos recommendations will help much in this scenario.

Others would kill for a decently sized room like that! You don’t need normally to ‘fill’ the room with sound, rather have it sound good at the listening position, which might be only maybe 4m from the speakers, though of course in a room that size there is the option for something on a grander scale.

You are so right about wanting it to sound good at my listening position.   It’s all about the first half of the room.   I have 9 theatre chairs, 2 rows, and that’s what matters.   I just need a little more bass that what the maestro uptopia provides and/or better subs for loud music.  It’s great at moderate to soft music.  The subs bottom out on lots of songs when the volume is cranked up.  Maybe the answer is different and more subs.  The highs and mids are great on the maestros just no bottom end  

 

David O'Higgins posted:

SL2 will do you, if you can source them and find a good dealer to install them.

I am guessing Zack wants plenty of rich bass. If the Focal Maestro Utopia's don't satisfy his bass needs the SL2's won't be suitable for him. Now if he could source a pair of DBLs??

Sounsfaber posted:

Probably been said but 

Kudos Titan 808!

Ooh no. Tried 'em, didn't like 'em.  Sent them back after a month's home dem.  Active ATC 100's on the other hand... tried 'em, liked 'em, kept 'em (and sent the NAP500 back).

Each to his own of course.

rjstaines posted:
Sounsfaber posted:

Probably been said but 

Kudos Titan 808!

Ooh no. Tried 'em, didn't like 'em.  Sent them back after a month's home dem.  Active ATC 100's on the other hand... tried 'em, liked 'em, kept 'em (and sent the NAP500 back).

Each to his own of course.

Ok, how about neat Ultimate XL-10 

let’s get this party started 🤨

Sounsfaber posted:

Ok, how about neat Ultimate XL-10 

let’s get this party started 🤨

Hey, you better start without me...  although, perhaps worth mentioning, you can get about three times the number of pint glasses on top of the ATC100s as you can on the XL10s.  That would influence some buyers' choice, but, because I gave up partying some forty years ago, it didn't influence mine (honest). 

Never ever would one use a speaker as a pot plant stand let alone a bar counter.

Morris Minor is another story .....I do have some kind of moral compass 🤙

now I can’t help but think b&w 801, 802 into nap 500 would be a bit  boring even a missionary style sound. I have 2 buddy’s with big class A amps  running into them respectively. Ticks the boxes ok and loud omg PA loud we are talking 400 rms and 600rms into 8 ohms. But loud just so loud. No fun factor. I put b&w into the rose tinted Sonus Faber box. Pls don’t think I’m having a dig. Just what I found. So I boxed it.

Sounsfaber posted:

Never ever would one use a speaker as a pot plant stand let alone a bar counter.

Morris Minor is another story .....I do have some kind of moral compass 🤙

now I can’t help but think b&w 801, 802 into nap 500 would be a bit  boring even a missionary style sound. I have 2 buddy’s with big class A amps  running into them respectively. Ticks the boxes ok and loud omg PA loud we are talking 400 rms and 600rms into 8 ohms. But loud just so loud. No fun factor. I put b&w into the rose tinted Sonus Faber box. Pls don’t think I’m having a dig. Just what I found. So I boxed it.

Funny enough, it was B&W 802's that I threw out in favour of the ATC100's.

Now I'm not saying that the bar counter or plant pot stand had anything to do with it, as you know, these are just not possible with the B&Ws so it's not a facility that I was used to.  But I do have to tell you the ATC salesman did mention the plant stand possibility.  I ignored him (as you would have), but I noticed SWMBO's eyes lit up. 

Yes I did consider atc 40 active at one stage. But my room would not allow it. So I ended up with sl2 and a craving for a nap 500 and a 552 and a cds555 and a high end lp12 and a superline...... She who must be obeyed has yet to confirm any cravings other than enough is enough. 20 years to retire I must be able to hatch a plan. Like my new audio room in the back yard  that has yet to have a financial sponsor. 

OP sorry for hijacking this thread.

The room does contain my home cinema but my 2 channel system is completely independent of the home cinema.  In a perfect world I would bring in a 500dr and try it with (1) kudos 808,s (2) pmc (3) Magico.  Then I would take the 500 dr off and try the ATC  scm150 asl active.  Then I could make my choice.  Oh, and I would bring in 6 rel no. 25 subs and try them with my current speakers.  None of this will happen.  I am really curious about the ATC’s, but they are special order only and none in the USA.  Pretty big risk to pony up that kind of money.  Who knows what I will do.  I may go to the audio show at Denver in October, but I don’t think it will help at all.  I may just keep the Focals, add the 500, and maybe change subs.  It’s not like that would be a bad system. The best part of this is I really like the “hunt”.  

Zackwater posted:

The room does contain my home cinema but my 2 channel system is completely independent of the home cinema.  In a perfect world I would bring in a 500dr and try it with (1) kudos 808,s (2) pmc (3) Magico.  Then I would take the 500 dr off and try the ATC  scm150 asl active.  Then I could make my choice.  Oh, and I would bring in 6 rel no. 25 subs and try them with my current speakers.  None of this will happen.  I am really curious about the ATC’s, but they are special order only and none in the USA.  Pretty big risk to pony up that kind of money.  Who knows what I will do.  I may go to the audio show at Denver in October, but I don’t think it will help at all.  I may just keep the Focals, add the 500, and maybe change subs.  It’s not like that would be a bad system. The best part of this is I really like the “hunt”.  

You should maybe take a vacation in the UK.  Seems to me you guys accross the pond in Trumpland have pretty limited access to the kind of equipment most often talked about on this forum... that's a shame really.   But when it comes to televisions... last time I was over there I was blown away by what's on offer.

On reflection, I'll be stopping over here.. in the rain.

Okay, here’s a radical thought: you want a lot of accurate bass in a large room with seating for many, correct?  If your corners are free have you considered Klipschorns?  I haven’t heard a pair since the mid-70s but few speakers I know of theoretically match your requirements quite as well.  And they used to be made right in Arkansas!

Personally I am not of fan of horn loaded systems but I used to sell Klipsch and can say they will fill almost any size room.  If your corners are not free you could try a pair of LaScalas; with your amplification you’ll be heard in the next county.

The Horns were definitely an accurate and premium product back in the day and could be had in many lovely real wood finishes.  They were fabulous on symphonic, rock, jazz and not quite so much on acoustic, country, bluegrass etc.: Horns reproduce brass, bass & drums better than most, convey scale wonderfully, and are efficient as all get out.  No idea what they cost today but I bet it’s well within your budget.

Just a thought.

Zackwater posted:

  It’s not like that would be a bad system. The best part of this is I really like the “hunt”.  

Oh man, the best part is you can!

I just love the way you folk in the US do it. Go straight for the  throat every time. 😎

 Solution Send Wife with here best friend to Hawaii, you get on a fixed wing and end up in the UK for a flat earth holiday. Just take your wellington’s , mackintosh,  umbrella, and some tea bags. It’s a win win!

IMO your room is a severe problem for bass because that's a lot of space to pressurize.  I honestly can't think of any speaker that would work without a sub(s). I have a friend with room size like yours. He has Raidho D5.1's which I go to 22hz. He loves bass. He has blown his mids and tweeters by turning it up to get a better feel (literally) for the lows. In the end he added a pair of Rel S25's. BTW I haven't heard his system since he added the subs but have talked with him and he said he is very happy now. More importantly he doesn't listen as loud now.

That said I recently heard the Titan 808's and the lows are phenomenal even though they were under driven with a 272-250.  After the 808's we listened to the D5.1's driven by Aavik monos. Too bad we didn't set up the 808's with the Aavik but those 5.1's at 380lbs ea are not that much fun to move around. I personally think the 808's would give the 5.1's a honest run for the money considering you could buy 7 pairs of 808's for the price of the 5.1's.  Yeah the 808's are that good IMO.

The Kudos can be heard in Wayne Illinois (about 30mi west if Chicago). I don't believe Tyler has either a 300 or a 500.

Love Aruba. First time I was there was I think was 1967. They were building the 3rd hotel. My how the island has changed. 

I upgraded my ProAc CP6 to Carbon Pro 8 (few years ago), and I enjoyed listening for few years and never thought want to change speaker and etc. My Naim were old 500 series (before DR), I upgraded my 555PS to DR and it all sound good so far. I just came back from HK Show, and I had listen to Naim & Kudos speaker (2018), and Naim Statement & Magico Q7 speaker (back to 2014). If you like the Naim strength/signature sound then I think ProAc Carbon Pro Series can give you all but not Magico or Kudos. For me the Magico more to clinical sound (typical US sounding), Kudos less punch/solid on the low frequency.

I listen to Naim 500 x 3 unit active driving Ovator 800 at HK show before, it was really good and I can say, only ProAc CP8 can have the similar presentation on smaller room. Especially when playing the Hunter Album Track 8.

Just for your info, the ProAc CP8 already obsolete, current ProAc K8 don't think can match the performance as good as CP8. So my recommendation sound like nothing, but just providing you an option. Try Chord Cables when you use Naim front end to match with ProAc speaker. ProAc only good sound on Carbon Pro Series but not the Response series (I mean to match with Naim 500 series).

Good Luck.

I think I’m going to go with my Focal Maestro Uptopia 3’s for a while longer.  Going to see how they act with the 555/552/500 instead of my current nds/552/300.  I may change my subs, they may be the weak link especially at louder volume.  The subs are really nice with all kinds of music at “conversational’” volume, when you crank it up they don’t stay together on a lot of modern music.  

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