CDX2 to be discontinued?

This is a copy of the e mail as received I won't name the dealer unless Richard Dane is OK with that.

Naim CDX2 is being discontinued

We would like to inform you that Naim will permanently discontinue the manufacture of the CDX2 from 16th of June 2018. Naim will continue to support this product in the market just as they continue to support all of their legacy players, in accordance with their extended parts warranty.

Naim will continue to manufacture their entry level CD5 SI. 

If you wish to purchase the CDX2 (subject to availability), now is the time to do so!

It also coincides with production of the new streamers and I think it was Richard mentioned the investment and work changing over to the new work stations for product build and integral bench testing. This comes several years after Linn pulled out of CD, so not too much of a surprise.

Totally agree Yeti.
I absolutely LOVE my CDX2.2. It sounds terrific without the additional power supply.
Its my only source for music and I'm very happy with CD as a format just as it is.
Surely I cannot be the only one...?
The cd format is not broken - not everyone wants to stream - and yet this announcement seems somehow inevitable.
Such a shame.
I deliberatly bought the CDX2 (ex demo)  last year precisely because the CD format seems to be rapidly declining and I wanted a reliable cd player that will last me for many years to come.
A salute to those on here who still love and use their CDX2.

 

 

Giant leap——No you are not alone,I too use CD as my only source.Wheather I will move to streaming or not I don’t know because I’m so computer unfriendly .Wouldn’t know how to download or purchase music online so hope that the sales of CD’s will continue and that Naim will be able to repair my CD player if and when it needs that TLC.

I intended my comment more generally but it works personally too as I freewheel into retirement.

Actually CD was a downhill step and I held out as long as possible, the CDX2 was on the way back up and as far as I got (with 555ps) before deciding I need the storeage space for more vinyl and getting a Core, it remains to be seen where the ND555 will land but I expect vinyl to still have the better of it. The CDX2 meanwhile has a new lease of life in our bolt hole in France where the CDs are gradually joining it.

Looking back, CD as a format was doomed from the start. Among the reasons:

1. It was compact in size and took up little room. Hard to impress folks with that. No special stands needed, no special forging, milling, etc. though some tried this angle.

2. It was fuss free and easy to use. No VTA, compliance, capacitance, loading, tracking force, alignment, and other issues to fixat on and fuss about. 

3. CD players were not typically sold as component parts as were, turntables, arms, arm stands, supplental arm weights, phono cables, and cartridges. As a result they were very boring, leaving the audio obsessed with almost nothing to worry about except the music.

As a result of its ease of use, quality, and durability, long term industry profitability was compromised. 

The answer? Return to vinyl. What opportunities! More and more turntables, arms, cartridges, isolation platforms, mm, mc, phono stages, alignment guages, direct drive, belt drive, rim drive, remastered, digitally remastered, european cut, american cut, virgin vinyl, non- virgin vinyl. Oh gosh, the good old days were back. Finally, we could stop talking about the music and start talking about what we really loved all along.......THE EQUIPMENT! WoooooHoooo. 

For our millenial children and all those unfamiliar with actual records  we now have an opportunity to be equally obsessive with computer audio. Downloading, resolution rates, servers, network storge, network switches, DSP, network players, DACs, toslink, rca, USB, USB interfaces, Tidal, Spotify, MQA. Ah, life is again good. The turntable has been reinvented as computer music. And again, so much to discuss. 

Yes CD, thanks for the memories. 

Well Clay, follow that!

I love my LP12. I don’t talk about it much. Love my CDS3 too, but it is little used. I personally find streaming uninteresting. The process leaves me cold. On SQ grounds alone it’s vinyl for me, it involves me in a way digital media has never managed. Apart from buying the Linn my system has been unchanged since 2003 so not a gear man really.

I think it’s a shame the CDX is to be discontinued though.

Stu

David Hendon posted:

But it also doesn't have that lovely Naim swing open door and that moment of anticipation as you clamp the disc with the puck and close the door again with a gentle thunk noise....

(which is a large part of why I bought mine...)

Until it sadly died behind repair a few years back, I used a  Micromega Trio for 20 or so years. This was a beautiful 3 box (transport, DAC, PSU)  stack design with the transport on top. It was a top loader, with a hinged Perspex lid which you lifted up, a large puck which covered the whole CD, leaving you mastering the art of lifting the lid and then balancing it with an elbow, picking up the CD with that arm,  lifting the puck with your other hand and placing the CD down while not moving your elbow from the lid. It became second nature quickly, I replaced it with a CD5X and it seemed unnatural to not have to contort myself to play a disc.

From what I heard recently CD purchase is on a small increase in western Europe/UK, but I guess the market for quality high end CD players is limited as many Hi-Fi enthusiasts I suspect in the market for CD replay will be going for a streamer transport and ripped CD. Therefore I guess the market for top end players is limited and that coupled with the dwindling supplies of the current Naim CD laser mechanism and possibly even the HDCD DSP chipset, the cost of redesigning a quality platform from the ground up just might not be tennable.

I enjoy my CDX2 and it spins discs frequently ... and I am assured if it gets poorly then Naim will repair it.

Also it’s CD or ripped CD for me so as to avoid that often awful audible watermarking injected into lossless digital downloads

For me CD media is still the most convenient  way of music playback.

i still have a Rega P3 and collect vinyl pretty much on regular basis but i use very little (very few hours in a year).

Like alternative to my cd player i' d need a U.Serve or Core and  cables or wi fi connection, a streamer with related psu. 

I very much regret having sold my my CDX2-2 when i upgraded to CD555. I also have a couple of DVD5 but i'm considering  to get another

CDX2 new or used.

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Regards

Roberto

Perol posted:

I would choose a second-hand Rega Isis/Isis Valve anyday of the week

It lacks one thing only and that is a DIN connection on the rear panel

David Hendon posted:

But it also doesn't have that lovely Naim swing open door and that moment of anticipation as you clamp the disc with the puck and close the door again with a gentle thunk noise....

Yeah, but Rega CDPs got that badass Starship Enterprise lid. Plus the anticipation of waiting for (and hoping) your CD initializes.

Clay Bingham posted:

Looking back, CD as a format was doomed from the start. Among the reasons:

1. It was compact in size and took up little room. Hard to impress folks with that. No special stands needed, no special forging, milling, etc. though some tried this angle.

2. It was fuss free and easy to use. No VTA, compliance, capacitance, loading, tracking force, alignment, and other issues to fixat on and fuss about. 

3. CD players were not typically sold as component parts as were, turntables, arms, arm stands, supplental arm weights, phono cables, and cartridges. As a result they were very boring, leaving the audio obsessed with almost nothing to worry about except the music.

You may have overlooked the most fundamental reason; no music CD copy protection.

dave4jazz posted:
Jude2012 posted:
Tony2011 posted:

It seems Naim is bound to phase out CD playing production altogether just like they did with their speakers line. I wonder what’s next for the chop?

Perhaps stand-alone DACs....

Naim DAC possibly, DAC-V1 surely not? 

Dave

Dropping either would be a shame.  Unless there are plans for their evolution....

French Rooster posted:
Emre posted:

i have cd2x should i buy cd2x.2

you should wait cdx3.....     more seriously, some found the cdx2 better than the cdx2.2( with digital output).  the phillips laser mecanism is better on the cdx2( i read that).  To verify....

i may have to wait forever i was only joking... i just replaced laser on my 10 year old cd2x, unless i find a very good cd555 i will never change it... plays like a charm with my 555PSDR

Emre posted:
French Rooster posted:
Emre posted:

i have cd2x should i buy cd2x.2

you should wait cdx3.....     more seriously, some found the cdx2 better than the cdx2.2( with digital output).  the phillips laser mecanism is better on the cdx2( i read that).  To verify....

i may have to wait forever i was only joking... i just replaced laser on my 10 year old cd2x, unless i find a very good cd555 i will never change it... plays like a charm with my 555PSDR

i was joking too for the cdx3....

rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Max_B posted:
rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Heresy! Burn the witch. 

Perol posted:
Japtimscarlet posted:

Get one while you can then!!

Far too expensive

I would choose a second-hand Rega Isis/Isis Valve anyday of the week

It lacks one thing only and that is a DIN connection on the rear panel

 

Well, a 2nd hand rega Isis is still much costlier that a 2nd hand CDX2, which you can still buy for €1300/1500. But I admit that on a couple of occasions I thought that a simple rega Apollo was musically more natural and listenable than a CDX2.

If the matching rega Brio3 hadn't been such a modest performer (I can accept a modicum of mish mash, but possibly CD and amp of the same brand, please) I might have ended up with that unassuming, lovely pair. But the Brio3 sounded ok only with Harbeth M30.1s, and there was a 10/1 difference of cost....

MDS posted:
Max_B posted:
rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Heresy! Burn the witch. 

Be my guest. But bring your own matches.

M.

Max_B posted:
MDS posted:
Max_B posted:
rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Heresy! Burn the witch. 

Be my guest. But bring your own matches.

M.

Now I wouldn't want to make a martyr out of you, Max.  

Down at the factory today and when asked about why the CDX2 has been discontinued, Trevor said it was mostly down to availability of mechanisms. Mech yields were getting very poor - down to one in four - and of the good ones there are enough spare mechs at Naim for the number of machines made, so a decision was made to cease production to ensure that all remaining stocks of spare mechs would be there to support existing CDX2 owners.

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