Comrade Corbyn

Just to add to the above ... "We protest against our government because they are our government." We also protest because its a way of affirming that while they are elected by the people, not all the people agree with their policies.  "Not in my name" is a regular trope in any protest.

I completely agree ... there is too much politics in Government ... so if you'd all kindly lay down your opposition to domestic social polices which balance the needs of the many with a regulated capitalist mantra and join me in a more non-interventionist humanitarian lead foreign policy we can remove all politics :-).  (Last sentence intended in jest of course)

Eloise posted:
Resurrection posted:

Ha! Ha! I was born in India, but my birth was registered with the British Consulate in Madras. I worked for five years in Belgium way back in the 80s and when it came to claiming a pension I contacted the Belgian Pension authorities and you would be amazed at the information they had on me. Every day of work was registered as was all of my working life registered here in the UK so don't give me any more Socialist BS about innocent people having no footprint in a country for 30 or 40 years - not unless they are illegals.

Then you are ignoring the problem.  UK Home Office will NOT look up tax records for example.  You have to provide information to them in the form of pay slips and P60s, bank statements, etc.  You were fortunate the Belgium authorities supplied the information ... but in the UK this is not happening.

As I say ... could YOU (independent of the government) provide evidence of each year you lived in a country?  Could you provide FOUR?  Not just your working life, but all through school.  For over 50 years?

I doubt many people born in the UK could provide such proof.

Its you that is talking BS over this.

(I didn't know you were born in India.  Born to British Parents and therefore a British Citizen since birth?)

I think I could easily give you 50 years of fairly detailed records about my wife and myself. all emanating from government. I might have to root about for O'Level, Higher and Sixth Year Study certificates. I'd rather not talk about university!

And yes, I was born in Ootacamund where the Indian Constitution was drafted and the laws of the holy game of snooker were all drawn up in the Ooty Club which I sneaked into on my 60th birthday. The original snooker table is still there. Believe me, the Indians have changed nothing in or about that club including the snobbery, their own now. 

Eloise posted:

I completely agree ... there is too much politics in Government ... so if you'd all kindly lay down your opposition to domestic social polices which balance the needs of the many with a regulated capitalist mantra and join me in a more non-interventionist humanitarian lead foreign policy we can remove all politics :-).  (Last sentence intended in jest of course)

But that just takes so much effort.

Far easier to let them all bugger about and point fingers at each other while I have a nice Gin and Tonic.

Mind, coming home this evening I feel like protesting at the state of my lawn. It's a disgrace. I know who I blame...

Resurrection posted:
thebigfredc posted:

A couple of points on this:

TM is rightly embarrassed by the Windrush cock-up and has said she wants to "dispel any impression that my government is in some sense clamping down on Commonwealth citizens, particularly those from the Caribbean who have built a life here" and that '...those who arrived from the Caribbean before 1973 and lived here permanently without significant periods of time away in the last 30 years have the right to remain in the UK.' So Albert Thompson should get the treatment he needs and deserves shortly.

Clamping down on health tourism is something the Government should aspire to, albeit badly administered in this case. There was a TV programme regarding actual cases in one of the London hospitals last year and it clearly showed foreign nationals taking advantage of our generosity and the NHS Doctor's obligations under the Hippocratic oath, with unpaid bills reaching six figures in some cases. 

Ray

 

 

 

May was right to apologise for the idiotic behaviour of the Border Force. However, Ray is 100% correct about health tourism. It did have to happen and it happened this morning to my wife. She has had an ear infection for a few weeks and decided that it was time to see the doctor, so she phoned the surgery first thing as that is when they release appointments for that day. She was told 5 minutes after opening hours that there were no appointments available and no-one could see her.

They suggested that a doctor might be able to phone her later in the day but as he would not be able to see in her ear she was not impressed. She was told to go to a walk in clinic and see a doctor she would not know and ultimately accepted that this was the only solution. The surgery did say that if there was a cancellation they would phone her back. Anyway, she went to the walk in clinic where she was seen by a nurse, not a doctor, and while she was away the surgery phoned to say that they had found her an appointment. Hopeless!

May has apologised for the Windrush people buy anyone without a legitimate reason to be in this country should be deported and if they wish to use NHS resources it should be made clear that payment must be made. Try getting free healthcare anywhere else in the world.

So the (non) failure to get the ear seen was due to health tourism?

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