Digital Source

Hi,

I have a basic Naim setup, SN2 amp, Dac v1 , Speakers are B&W 804D + DB1 sub and using currently a Sonos  Connect as a digital source, this is sub optimal i know as i was previously using a mac mini with jRiver and got tired of the maintenance of updates etc as the mac didn't have a monitor connected. 

Now i am relocating my system to the office i am looking to revamp the digital source The problem is the market of digital sources to feed a DAC seems pretty limited and seem to be

1. Naim separates streamer such as the NDX and then decide if to link it into the DACv1 as a transport or use its internal DAC. This seems wasteful as will be buying another DAC which i might not need,

2. Naim Uniti Star which will act as a transport and will also provide a CD player and ripper functionality and also give the option of using it as a one box setup in the future. This might be more wasteful on face value but the product looks much better value than the NDX streamer similar price but with a whole lot more tech and brand new. Now the DAC will not be up to the NDX perhaps, but as a digital source how much does that matter as the Dav V1 controls the timing i understand so is it really that fussy ? (to be honest the Sonos connect sounds pretty ok through it!) 

3. Get a 3rd party streamer 

I am kind of liking the NDX option but i will then have to do some testing to see if i prefer the NDX dac or the Dacv1, and i think it will be a nicely matching system ....but... from what i have read i am not that sure it will give that much more performance than a Uniti Star as a transport 

since the Dac v1 is a great DAC and that is where i intuitively believe the money should be spent on making digital audio sound good is there anything i may be missing here?

 

 

 

Original Post

NDX every time,  you don't need the DACv1,  the NDX DAC is a good 'un.  If & when you want a better DAC,  Hugo is the obvious contender or nDAC with XPS

Naim Star,  OK so its got a CD player,  but why do you need that, with Sonos you've been stuck in a 16-bit world & a CD player will keep you there,  time to move on.    The Nova would be a better option over Star & - although as yet unheard (by most) - it should be a match (or better) for your SN2 & it includes a top end steamer that has some features & abilities that are better than NDX.  Bottom line is how it sounds,  & that is, as yet,  unknown. 

NDX >> V1. If you like the Sonos connect + V1 and don't care about hi resolution and/or ability to use Naim app, I'd just stick with it. The NDX doesn't appear a great value since the technology is "outdated." 

The USB input to the V1 is considered the best of the 6. Maybe the MicroRendu is the best value/solution. (I think it's < 1,000 USD)

you have a lot of different advices and it complicates your decision: ndx, ndac, chord hugo.....

Personnally i would choose ssecond hand ndx.. But after you will be tempted to add xps to it and perhaps a better dac to it....A second hand ndac would be good too. And a better dac to your sonos too...

Try to hear by yourself, in different dealers. it is the best way.  Don't forget too that ndac, ndx, will be soon replaced in naim range, so better go second hand with them. 

Unitinova looks tempting also.  But after you can't upgrade a lot. So you must also determine if you want to upgrade in the future or not. If not, it may be the most attractive solution.

If you still have Mac Mini try Audirvana - cost is peanuts and its sound quality is excellent, though its library function is variable depending on your metadata. With it you can dedicate a usb bus, so bypassing the limitations of Mac's soundcard. Into a DAC like Hugo, via an isolator to remove RF contamination (I used Gustard U12) it would challenge many a dedicated streamer, and with built in storage the vagaries of network streaming aren't a challenge. Control of music headless is simple with an iPad or iPhone using Audirvana's app, otherwise any tablet, smartphone or computer using VNC remote access, which also provides the tool to manage the MM itself if you nood to - but I ignore Mac updates and recent Audirvana updates because it doesn't need them. If you're interested in Tidal or Qobuz online streaming Audirvana integrates them.

Mine is a late 2012 MM that I've fitted with 2 1GB SSDs and 16GB RAM, running Yosemite. It is good enough to feed Chord Dave DAC to which I have upgraded from Hugo.

if I was looking for an alternative, I'd look into the Naim Uniti Core (but a bit too new yet to know how good it is), or Melco (similar sound quality to MM/A) or Innuos Zenith, for plug and play ability, or if I wanted a cheaper but more DIY option I might look at microRendu. (Info on all of these to be found searching thid forum). For a DAC for any of these I'd suggest Chord Mojo/Hugo/Hugo2/HugoTt/Dave, but with the first three RF isolation from a computer vpbased source is likely to be essential for best sound quality.

The mac is now being used elsewhere so i am keen to find a dedicated solution. Regarding the NDX it was mentioned there is an NDX2 on the way so best to buy secondhand atm. Would think about waiting for this to arrive as that makes a lot of sense given the updates naim has made in streaming since 2011.

Does anyone have any idea when this might be i would imagine it could be not for a ehile considering the focus on the uniti updates right now.

In that case rather than buy a second hand ndx i might go for something like an Star to keep me going until the NDX2 and i would have a nice upgrade path if the NDX2 is as good as would hope and have a full standalone system to put in another room

The NDX2 / NDS2 /N272-2 are only speculation.. and if there are new products they might not even be called that. I think your choices will be current Classic series or the new Uniti range for a year or so.

The speculation is that new digital streaming architecture and miniaturisation learning of the new Uniti series may be adopted into new versions of the Classic streamer (NDX, NDS)  and streamer-NAC (N272) products at some point... or of course it might never happen.

One option could be ND5XS + nDAC, which would easily beat NDX in sound quality and you'd get streaming also. Of course it's two boxes against one so more space needed. DAC-V1 is acutally surprisingly good, quite close to bare nDAC. But after PSU upgrade to nDAC, I think there's no competition.  HCDR for SN2 also recommended, your 804D's would most probably benefit greatly. Bare NDX is great fun to listen to, but nDAC has more refined and relaxed sound with greater resolution and depth. Also for some reason, NDX caused listening fatigue in my setup but these things can usullay be tweaked with cables etc. 

dvshannow posted:

The mac is now being used elsewhere so i am keen to find a dedicated solution. Regarding the NDX it was mentioned there is an NDX2 on the way so best to buy secondhand atm. Would think about waiting for this to arrive as that makes a lot of sense given the updates naim has made in streaming since 2011.

Does anyone have any idea when this might be i would imagine it could be not for a ehile considering the focus on the uniti updates right now.

In that case rather than buy a second hand ndx i might go for something like an Star to keep me going until the NDX2 and i would have a nice upgrade path if the NDX2 is as good as would hope and have a full standalone system to put in another room

uniti star is quite the same as SN2/dac5 and sonos. Why not take a 202/200 to upgrade your sn2 and wait for ndx2 or ndac2...?

Patu posted:

One option could be ND5XS + nDAC, which would easily beat NDX in sound quality and you'd get streaming also. Of course it's two boxes against one so more space needed. DAC-V1 is acutally surprisingly good, quite close to bare nDAC. But after PSU upgrade to nDAC, I think there's no competition.  HCDR for SN2 also recommended, your 804D's would most probably benefit greatly. Bare NDX is great fun to listen to, but nDAC has more refined and relaxed sound with greater resolution and depth. Also for some reason, NDX caused listening fatigue in my setup but these things can usullay be tweaked with cables etc. 

Wow, that's interesting... if I have one complaint about the NDX it's a bit too smooth and laid back.. though I find Fraim and a hiline open it out to give a bit more musical bite. Yes the NDAC is more bombastic and gives more sonic fireworks, but I did find the 555PS was needed to make the NDAC sound really enjoyable to my ears and take a slight digital edge away I otherwise heard ..... the dual decoupled power suppliers I am sure really help with that design.. The NDAC/555PS is great fun to listen to, especially 44.1/16/2 ... I ran mine for a few years... 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:
Patu posted:

One option could be ND5XS + nDAC, which would easily beat NDX in sound quality and you'd get streaming also. Of course it's two boxes against one so more space needed. DAC-V1 is acutally surprisingly good, quite close to bare nDAC. But after PSU upgrade to nDAC, I think there's no competition.  HCDR for SN2 also recommended, your 804D's would most probably benefit greatly. Bare NDX is great fun to listen to, but nDAC has more refined and relaxed sound with greater resolution and depth. Also for some reason, NDX caused listening fatigue in my setup but these things can usullay be tweaked with cables etc. 

Wow, that's interesting... if I have one complaint about the NDX it's a bit too smooth and laid back.. though I find Fraim and a hiline open it out to give a bit more musical bite. Yes the NDAC is more bombastic and gives more sonic fireworks, but I did find the 555PS was needed to make the NDAC sound really enjoyable to my ears and take a slight digital edge away I otherwise heard ..... the dual decoupled power suppliers I am sure really help with that design.. The NDAC/555PS is great fun to listen to, especially 44.1/16/2 ... I ran mine for a few years... 

It's funny how it greatly depends on the rest of the setup how we perceive a certain equipment in the chain. Though IIRC you use ATC SCM19 so we have very similar speakers as I use SCM40. Anyway, NDX had very "in your face" and aggressive sound when I had it in my setup. Great attack and forward sound which was very fun to listen to but as I wrote, it didn't have as refined and deep sound as nDAC. 

I'm closer to Simon's view on the NDX, it sits in my 82HiCap135s, B&W804s system alongside a Roksan TMS and a HDX. Of the three sources, it's the one I'd describe as slightly genteel, very musical and listenable, and the one I use most (TMS listening restricted by having to move a cat from my lap every time I turn a record over). 

I found the NDAC when demoed a while ago to have a slight digital edge which I didn't get on with, the NDX is very musical, the HDX has a tiny bit more get up and go.

Always demo, 3 people, 3 different views on the same kit, albeit through quite different systems.

dvshannow posted:

Hi,

I have a basic Naim setup, SN2 amp, Dac v1 , Speakers are B&W 804D + DB1 sub and using currently a Sonos  Connect as a digital source, this is sub optimal i know as i was previously using a mac mini with jRiver and got tired of the maintenance of updates etc as the mac didn't have a monitor connected. 

Now i am relocating my system to the office i am looking to revamp the digital source The problem is the market of digital sources to feed a DAC seems pretty limited and seem to be

1. Naim separates streamer such as the NDX and then decide if to link it into the DACv1 as a transport or use its internal DAC. This seems wasteful as will be buying another DAC which i might not need,

2. Naim Uniti Star which will act as a transport and will also provide a CD player and ripper functionality and also give the option of using it as a one box setup in the future. This might be more wasteful on face value but the product looks much better value than the NDX streamer similar price but with a whole lot more tech and brand new. Now the DAC will not be up to the NDX perhaps, but as a digital source how much does that matter as the Dav V1 controls the timing i understand so is it really that fussy ? (to be honest the Sonos connect sounds pretty ok through it!) 

3. Get a 3rd party streamer 

I am kind of liking the NDX option but i will then have to do some testing to see if i prefer the NDX dac or the Dacv1, and i think it will be a nicely matching system ....but... from what i have read i am not that sure it will give that much more performance than a Uniti Star as a transport 

since the Dac v1 is a great DAC and that is where i intuitively believe the money should be spent on making digital audio sound good is there anything i may be missing here?

If you are happy with the DAC V1, what is the point of buying an NDX? Is the NDX DAC significantly better than the DAC V1? If you need a UPnP renderer with a good USB output, buy a UPnP renderer with a good USB output. The Sonore micro Rendu seems an obvious candidate but there are alternatives, of course. You can also install the upmpdcli UPnP renderer on a Raspberry Pi very easily, have a look at https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...aspberry-pi-3?page=1. upmpdcli will also give you access to internet radio, Tidal and Qobuz. If you do not mind the limitations of the new Naim Core (among others, no internet radio, no Tidal, no Qobuz, very limited customizability and flexibility) you could also try one, it should have good USB and SPDIF outputs.

dvshannow posted:

Hi,

 

Now i am relocating my system to the office i am looking to revamp the digital source The problem is the market of digital sources to feed a DAC seems pretty limited and seem to be


3. Get a 3rd party streamer 


 

The choices are limited if you limit them.

My suggestion.

 

Use that mac of yours to run Roon (or use any PC you have either), they need not be near the hifi just on the network

Get a Raspberry Pi (running Roon bridge)  to connect to the excellent asynchronous USB input on the DAC V1.

For less than £500 (including a lifetime Roon membership) you have a future proofed option that will sound as good as the NDX.

To reiterate, your choices are limited only if you limit them.

.sjb

 

Sloop John B posted:
dvshannow posted:

Hi,

 

Now i am relocating my system to the office i am looking to revamp the digital source The problem is the market of digital sources to feed a DAC seems pretty limited and seem to be


3. Get a 3rd party streamer 


 

The choices are limited if you limit them.

My suggestion.

 

Use that mac of yours to run Roon (or use any PC you have either), they need not be near the hifi just on the network

Get a Raspberry Pi (running Roon bridge)  to connect to the excellent asynchronous USB input on the DAC V1.

For less than £500 (including a lifetime Roon membership) you have a future proofed option that will sound as good as the NDX.

To reiterate, your choices are limited only if you limit them.

.sjb

 

why a raspberry pi with DAC V1 is better than sonos DAC V1?

Hi,

You mention that you are using a Sonos Connect as a source. While it has it's sonic limitations, it also has the benefit of offering a great range of streaming services. I recently purchased a Wyred4Sound modified Connect and a Nordost Purple Flare power cord, which is terminated for the Sonos. This combination is a significant step up from the stock connect in terms of smoothness and ease; more of the musical info comes through and at the same time, it is less 'gritty' than the stock unit, so to speak. The Darko reviews on both the W4S mod and the power cord are very complimentary and, I think, very truthful. 

If you have, and like the DAC V1,  then perhaps you could consider a modded Sonos as a modest interim streamer. Then you could wait for updated or newer streamers from Naim while preserving the equipment you have. Good quality CD resolution can be very fine, and Tidal and Deezer Elite will give you a world of music in lossless form. 

Just a thought. 

Keler Pierre posted:
Sloop John B posted:
dvshannow posted:

Hi,

 

Now i am relocating my system to the office i am looking to revamp the digital source The problem is the market of digital sources to feed a DAC seems pretty limited and seem to be


3. Get a 3rd party streamer 


 

The choices are limited if you limit them.

My suggestion.

 

Use that mac of yours to run Roon (or use any PC you have either), they need not be near the hifi just on the network

Get a Raspberry Pi (running Roon bridge)  to connect to the excellent asynchronous USB input on the DAC V1.

For less than £500 (including a lifetime Roon membership) you have a future proofed option that will sound as good as the NDX.

To reiterate, your choices are limited only if you limit them.

.sjb

 

why a raspberry pi with DAC V1 is better than sonos DAC V1?

  1. Roon
  2. RAAT (what Roon uses to transfer audio)
  3. Hi- Res capability (Sonos is limited to CD rates)
  4. ability to up sample to 384kHz in Roon
  5. and in case it hasn't been obvious so far ... Roon.

 

.sjb

There is now a quite arange of renderers named on heard, but very little comparative information on sound quality to help the OP decide between them (if ist is indeed sound quality that is the driver), and I have read observations about some of them that suggest sound quality may not be as good as other possibilities (e.g. Roon as renderer in things I read gave the impression that it was only thought to sound as good as Audirvana on Rather more limiting systems than thowe where the reverse was found.) 

For the sake of clarity, what follows is my own experience, and I am citing the system as that can be very significant in terms of what might be heard - can I suggest others who haven't done so do the same?

ND5XS compared to fully optimised Audirvana on Mac Mini, into Hugo, through Musical Fidelity P270 and IMF RSPM speakers: ND5XS better.

Ditto with Gustard U12 isolator/converter between MM and Hugo: MM/Aud better than ND5XS - not night and day, but subtly better presentation and clarity - but more distinct than the improvement some time earlier had bee adding XP5XS to ND5XS when in full streamer mode.

Melco N1A compared to fully optimised Audirvana on Mac Mini, into Dave DAC, Bryston 4Bsst2, PMC Fact 12: indistinguishable. (Gustard not used as Dave has excellent RF rejection).

 

Innocent Bystander posted:

There is now a quite a range of renderers named on heard, but very little comparative information on sound quality to help the OP decide between them

Sound quality whatever we may like to think is a subjective opinion, you may not like what I like, you may not hear what I hear.

This fact seems to be missed a lot of the time.

.sjb

Sloop John B posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:

There is now a quite a range of renderers named on heard, but very little comparative information on sound quality to help the OP decide between them

Sound quality whatever we may like to think is a subjective opinion, you may not like what I like, you may not hear what I hear.

This fact seems to be missed a lot of the time.

.sjb

That is true, which makes it very difficult for someone to consider gear that they cannot hear before buying - which is of course where free trials of software where someone has the hardware, and home demos of off-the-shelf solutions come into their own.

Sloop John B posted:
Keler Pierre posted:
Sloop John B posted:
dvshannow posted:

Hi,

 

Now i am relocating my system to the office i am looking to revamp the digital source The problem is the market of digital sources to feed a DAC seems pretty limited and seem to be


3. Get a 3rd party streamer 


 

The choices are limited if you limit them.

My suggestion.

 

Use that mac of yours to run Roon (or use any PC you have either), they need not be near the hifi just on the network

Get a Raspberry Pi (running Roon bridge)  to connect to the excellent asynchronous USB input on the DAC V1.

For less than £500 (including a lifetime Roon membership) you have a future proofed option that will sound as good as the NDX.

To reiterate, your choices are limited only if you limit them.

.sjb

 

why a raspberry pi with DAC V1 is better than sonos DAC V1?

  1. Roon
  2. RAAT (what Roon uses to transfer audio)
  3. Hi- Res capability (Sonos is limited to CD rates)
  4. ability to up sample to 384kHz in Roon
  5. and in case it hasn't been obvious so far ... Roon.

 

.sjb

roon seems to be very convenient but it can't help in sound quality. The hi-rez capability is an argument however for sound quality.  but i think than ndx/nas/linear ps is better for sound quality than raspberry pi/ dac V1 and ndx can do with hi-rez.  As to 384 khz, personally i don't care. On 300 albums downloaded, i have only 2 dsd and the half is 24/96.  I don't even understand why so much dacs are produced nowadays with dsd 64 or more.... there is so little of them and the number of these albums is not increasing 

For upsampling 16/44 in very high hi-rez, i think it is not natural. I always prefer native format.

If you listen to classical music, you have more dsd or high hi-rez, perhaps it is your case.

TO me Pi >Hugo TT sounded better than my CD555. 

I didn't want it to but it did. (My ears, my room etc.)

I don't think there are too many on here that argue that the NDX sounds better than a CD5555, which is why I postulate the alternative  above that I do. 

Don't let size and price colour your thinking. I couldn't believe my big stonking CD555/555PS was being equaled if not bettered by a Pi/Hugo TT.

.sjb

 

Yes digital sources have redefined the landscape of sources and its surprising what can be done with a v good DAC and a reliable digital source... and while source of course important your example shows that great results can be achieved for less, as the Pi into DAC V1 replies also mention

All the replies have been very useful, this forum is amazing in the amount of responses! my plan right now is to do the following

as i am moving the equipment from the lounge to a (sound proofed) garden room study, i will gain the ability also to run a USB from my PC into the DAC. 

So i will see how the system sounds in the new room - add some sound absorption via sound absorbing pictures and some foam tiles and then go from there - it could be the ability to finally fine tune the room might surprise me how good the current setup sounds, and will compare the Sonos to the UBS into the Dacv1 first

What i am now thinking if happy with the USB into DAC v1 is...has anyone run a Dac V1 as a preamp into a 250DR or 300DR? this could be a very simple system where i am putting my resources into the amplification stage if i am happy with the sound of my V1 DAC. 

If i were to do this, the DB1 is currently connected to the SN2 sub out, how would i then connect up the DB1? 

 

dvshannow posted:

 

If i were to do this, the DB1 is currently connected to the SN2 sub out, how would i then connect up the DB1? 

 

so to answer myself here, it is possible to hook up the Dac V1 to the 300DR using the DIN preout and the DB1 would connect to the regular pre-out does anyone see any issue with doing it like that?

Sloop John B posted:

TO me Pi >Hugo TT sounded better than my CD555. 

I didn't want it to but it did. (My ears, my room etc.)

I don't think there are too many on here that argue that the NDX sounds better than a CD5555, which is why I postulate the alternative  above that I do. 

Don't let size and price colour your thinking. I couldn't believe my big stonking CD555/555PS was being equaled if not bettered by a Pi/Hugo TT.

.sjb

 

i did not say that ndx is better than cd555, just better than sonos with dacV1 or raspberry dacV1.  Hugo is better than dac V1....but raspberry with hugo better than cd555, i personally don't think, but i have not heard.  Perhaps chord dave/ raspberry should be equal to cd555.

dvshannow posted:

 

What i am now thinking if happy with the USB into DAC v1 is...has anyone run a Dac V1 as a preamp into a 250DR or 300DR? this could be a very simple system where i am putting my resources into the amplification stage if i am happy with the sound of my V1 DAC. 

As good as DAC-V1 is as a DAC, its pre-amp doesn't come even close to the pre-amp of SN2. When I auditioned DAC-V1 at my home setup, I briefly tested it as a preamp and made SN2 run as a poweramp. This combination sounded massively worse than V1 with fixed output to SN2. Night and day difference really. So I wouldn't recommend doing that. 

thanks that is interesting i will run the same test on my setup to see how it compares, if i hear similar then can draw a line through that option. 

thinking about it...its odd to me that adding a pre-amp stage sounds better than a device that is already outputting an analogue signal. for this to be true either the in this example:

1) The DAC v1 is not able to accurately linearly adjust its output levels AND/OR

2) The additional distortions added by an additional pre-amp colour the sound in a way that sounds preferable to some ears

would love to hear from someone with good technical knowledge of Naim pre-amps their thoughts on 1) . i would not be that surprised to hear the dynamic range gets somehow compressed at lower volume levels on inferior preamp ...in which case then this difference would fall away as the volume increases.

we can also state quite logically at full volume a V1 into a power amp is a more accurate rendition of the music as its a shorter path though this is hypothetical i agree.

Keler Pierre posted:
Sloop John B posted:

TO me Pi >Hugo TT sounded better than my CD555. 

I didn't want it to but it did. (My ears, my room etc.)

I don't think there are too many on here that argue that the NDX sounds better than a CD5555, which is why I postulate the alternative  above that I do. 

Don't let size and price colour your thinking. I couldn't believe my big stonking CD555/555PS was being equaled if not bettered by a Pi/Hugo TT.

.sjb

 

i did not say that ndx is better than cd555, just better than sonos with dacV1 or raspberry dacV1.  Hugo is better than dac V1....but raspberry with hugo better than cd555, i personally don't think, but i have not heard.  Perhaps chord dave/ raspberry should be equal to cd555.

I rest my case m'Lord. 

 

.sjb

Sloop John B posted:

And if you have a PC in the mix  you are open to the world of digital room correction, which I am reliably informed can have an immense effect on the sound of the system. 

 

.sjb

It can, and not necessarily for the good! Any attempt to boost out serious dips in response will almost inevitably have a negative effect on sound quality unless you have a very powerful amp indeed and speakers able to take the power - while people seated elsewhere, or neighbours, might be swamped. And too flat a response and it can sound unnatural, though that might be mainly because it is, no room other than an anechoic chamber ever being totally flat.

Sloop John B posted:
Keler Pierre posted:
Sloop John B posted:

TO me Pi >Hugo TT sounded better than my CD555. 

I didn't want it to but it did. (My ears, my room etc.)

I don't think there are too many on here that argue that the NDX sounds better than a CD5555, which is why I postulate the alternative  above that I do. 

Don't let size and price colour your thinking. I couldn't believe my big stonking CD555/555PS was being equaled if not bettered by a Pi/Hugo TT.

.sjb

 

i did not say that ndx is better than cd555, just better than sonos with dacV1 or raspberry dacV1.  Hugo is better than dac V1....but raspberry with hugo better than cd555, i personally don't think, but i have not heard.  Perhaps chord dave/ raspberry should be equal to cd555.

I rest my case m'Lord. 

 

.sjb

Sloop, help me here please I am new to the DAC party. I am trying to piece together the parts of the puzzle from the different forums and learn that 1) I should be using Roon and 2) I don't necessarily need an NDX? Should I trade in my NDX and Mojo for a Hugo 2 fed from a Raspberry Pi running Roon bridge connected to my iMac via Ethernet? Motivation would be that any further funds could then be channeled into better Naim amplification. Or is there a reason to keep NDX? Can I then control volume remotely? How do I connect Apple TV and is there a substitute for the system automation in conjunction with Harmony remote?Sorry for the long question, would appreciate your help as this is a minefield if you don't know what you're getting into...

William posted:
Sloop John B posted:
Keler Pierre posted:
Sloop John B posted:

TO me Pi >Hugo TT sounded better than my CD555. 

I didn't want it to but it did. (My ears, my room etc.)

I don't think there are too many on here that argue that the NDX sounds better than a CD5555, which is why I postulate the alternative  above that I do. 

Don't let size and price colour your thinking. I couldn't believe my big stonking CD555/555PS was being equaled if not bettered by a Pi/Hugo TT.

.sjb

 

i did not say that ndx is better than cd555, just better than sonos with dacV1 or raspberry dacV1.  Hugo is better than dac V1....but raspberry with hugo better than cd555, i personally don't think, but i have not heard.  Perhaps chord dave/ raspberry should be equal to cd555.

I rest my case m'Lord. 

 

.sjb

Sloop, help me here please I am new to the DAC party. I am trying to piece together the parts of the puzzle from the different forums and learn that 1) I should be using Roon and 2) I don't necessarily need an NDX? Should I trade in my NDX and Mojo for a Hugo 2 fed from a Raspberry Pi running Roon bridge connected to my iMac via Ethernet? Motivation would be that any further funds could then be channeled into better Naim amplification. Or is there a reason to keep NDX? Can I then control volume remotely? How do I connect Apple TV and is there a substitute for the system automation in conjunction with Harmony remote?Sorry for the long question, would appreciate your help as this is a minefield if you don't know what you're getting into...

roon is not an absolute necessity and will not improve your sound. For sound quality, if you have the budget, i would improve from mojo to hugo with your ndx, and 202/200/hicap from nait xs.  If only one to improve, it would be your nait xs.

After ndx, alone even, with a nas, is enough with your system. You can also have more with uniticore /ndac/ in dc1( spdif).

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