Firmware 2.3.1 - Uniti Range

I never got a choice just updated.

Be good if someone could listen to some tracks, upgrade and report.

I've been listening quite a bit the last few weeks, so familiar, but breaking in new speakers for just over a week. That said this to me is clearly Nova driven.

Sounds leaner bass wise, but allot more detail and speed. Note sure I like it, can you downgrade firmware?

So having listened to the Atom for a few hours last night there is no real change after the upgrade, I still have the same issues with the app and the display still acts up so it's a bit disappointing on that front, no feature changes or enhancements either. I dont have the HDMI option so it would be interesting to hear if that's actually been sorted. 

Obsydian posted:

I never got a choice just updated.

Be good if someone could listen to some tracks, upgrade and report.

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Sounds leaner bass wise, but allot more detail and speed. Note sure I like it, can you downgrade firmware?

Just played a handful of tracks before and after update.

I'm tired but post update the sound seems a lot more 'digital' and less involving.  Seem to have lost a lot of bass/richness and several tracks that would normally sound brilliant now sound quite 'so so' - there seems to be a richness/sonorousness missing from acoustic instruments.

Feel as though I need to push the volume higher than before too.

I may be imagining it of course, I hope so.....as at the minute it's sounding far too clinical.

(This is on a Nova)

I upgraded my Nova a couple of nights ago, and replayed the final track of the album I’d just played, didn’t notice anything major different. Played an album last night which was new to me, didn’t notice any difference in presentation. 

David Hendon posted:
Eoink posted:
David Hendon posted:

There isn't anything different. That's why....

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David

Given people seem to be reporting different experiences, I thought I’d share mine. 

Yes of course. I was agreeing with you.

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David

Ah sorry, comprehension fail on my part.

David Hendon posted:

This update just does what it says in the release notes. It wasn't supposed to fix anything else.....

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David

I agree, it shouldn't have changed anything other than the fixes listed (though could) but my Nova now seems anaemic, harsh, forward and brash.

I've unpowered and restarted to no avail.

I thought it may have just been tiredness earlier, but the Nova is now fatiguing to listen to (via internal amp).

Alley Cat posted:
Obsydian posted:

......... Note sure I like it, can you downgrade firmware?

I suspect this is possible, though not officially supported.

Would love to revert to convince myself I'm imagining things, or not!

More i listen - the more i dislike it. I have ruled out my speakers.

Anyone know how to source the old firmware and downgrade (assume it must be USB flashable).

Do the units automatically update or is there a user input?

With Roon I have update set to manual and always wait a few days, keeping an eye on their forum, before I upgrade. 

Interesting quote from Steve in the DAC thread. 

I've worked in the Hifi industry for a long time and I'm a fairly no nonsense engineering minded kinda chap, but I do find the interaction of digital electronics+software vs the musical presentation that comes out is a fascinating puzzle. You really have to think outside of conventional wisdom to move to the next level of the game. For sure it's not voodoo, but to unravel what is going on when equipment like a top end Audio Precision analyser can no longer guide you is really heavy stuff.

 

.sjb

Better late than never !!!!!! 

Was not aware the fix for hdmi dropout was released but I'll rush home tonight to get my unit updated.

I think you have to "request" the unit to update, it won't do it automatically. It requires an action from you within the app. 

I'm glad that finally released that fix, I'm very curious to know whether it really fix the sound dropouts. 

Sloop John B posted:

Do the units automatically update or is there a user input?

With Roon I have update set to manual and always wait a few days, keeping an eye on their forum, before I upgrade. 

Interesting quote from Steve in the DAC thread. 

I've worked in the Hifi industry for a long time and I'm a fairly no nonsense engineering minded kinda chap, but I do find the interaction of digital electronics+software vs the musical presentation that comes out is a fascinating puzzle. You really have to think outside of conventional wisdom to move to the next level of the game. For sure it's not voodoo, but to unravel what is going on when equipment like a top end Audio Precision analyser can no longer guide you is really heavy stuff.

 

.sjb

Thinking back - it popped up in the app and i must have assumed you have to update so clicked it : (

Interesting quote from Steve.

Obsydian posted:
Alley Cat posted:
Obsydian posted:

......... Note sure I like it, can you downgrade firmware?

I suspect this is possible, though not officially supported.

Would love to revert to convince myself I'm imagining things, or not!

More i listen - the more i dislike it. I have ruled out my speakers.

Anyone know how to source the old firmware and downgrade (assume it must be USB flashable).

With the old streamers, you downloaded the software to a computer to do the update, so you could store them and revert quite easily. With the 'over the air' updates on the new streamers, you don't have that option, so I think you would have to ask Naim if there is any way for them to make the old firmware available.

The Naim app lets you reapply previous firmware versions for Musos...  not sure if it works for the new Unitis and I'm not at home to check.   From memory...   Go to the firmware page by clicking the streamer icon on the main app page.  Click "show previous versions" and then you should see the option to reapply that. 

Obsydian posted:

Thanks CHRISSU - Not an option.

But plan to try a factory reset, wonder what version that reverts to, the first (embedded) or most recent ...

I don't think a factory reset will change the firmware, it will just return all settings to their defaults.

RadebeR posted:

The Naim app lets you reapply previous firmware versions for Musos...  not sure if it works for the new Unitis and I'm not at home to check.   From memory...   Go to the firmware page by clicking the streamer icon on the main app page.  Click "show previous versions" and then you should see the option to reapply that. 

Oooh hopefully - heading home soon will try.

Ahhh bummer...    sorry for the wild goose chase. They definitely are on the Musos.    Having updated my Atom the other night I too thought it sounded a bit different... hard to describe really... a bit more synthetic... better separation up high but more muddy down below.     That said, I had already read this thread when I updated so it's possibly all in my head.  I've also had a cold so my ears are probably misbehaving too. 

Mercky posted:
David Hendon posted:

This update just does what it says in the release notes. It wasn't supposed to fix anything else.....

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David

I realise that but it was a long time coming so I thought it might have captured more issues

I agree. Long time coming and still no solution to Multiroom  for 'new' Unitis and  'legacy' streamers!!

Are some posts being deleted? I ask because I received an email copy of a post by tony69 on this topic late yesterday, but I don't see it online.

I share the sentiments expressed in his post, and would like to feel that naim were taking notice of the frustration some of us feel. I note that he suggested legal action: whilst it may be bluster and a bit drastic ,maybe that is what is required to stimulate a meaningful response. I find it difficult to believe that naim are struggling to resolve these issues - it's all proprietary software, and - surely - there cannot be that many variables between the devices. I fear that naim will eventually come clean and admit they made false promises: at present their (apparent) head-in-the-sand attitude is not good for its customers.

It's all very well for beta-testers to say things are happening, but some of us have been waiting six months (or more) for features that were promised at launch of these products!!

I think you do underestimate the complexity in making something like multi-room work across what is at least five sets of products (old Uniti, ND* & 272, muso, new Uniti and the soon to be released streamers) with substantial hardware differences between each of them. I doubt threatening legal action would have any positive effect on the situation at all. so why do it?

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David

 

Hi Blag and David - I did write and as the post couldn’t be edited, I deleted.  Legal action was what was passing thru my mind last night when I settled down to another evening of frustration trying to listen to my music....   the issue is that after 8+ months the issues are not resolved.  This isn’t about whether multiroom or multi platform is difficult it’s about delivering on the sale contract and the features therein.  To be no nearer and neither advising people of it being a forthcoming feature that doesn’t yet work is mismarketing and therefore the entire suite of products are not fit for purpose under the terms of the sale.  That’s what infuriated me.  The seeming lack of acknowledgement of the issue and any apology.

I listened to the talking heads once in a lifetime and Coldplay trouble before and after the update (which took about 5 minutes). There was no difference. Then I listened to Eric Clapton Double Trouble (one of my favorites) and everything sounded as amazing as it had prior to the update.

I think you guys might be expecting a difference or your minds are playing tricks on you. 

Obsydian posted:

Sat to listen today and after 30 mins gave up as sound thin and digital, totally lost its mojo : (

I've felt like this since the update too - we both have Novas - I can't think of a single thing I've played on it since the update that's really made me feel interested in the music, whereas I'd found some real gems in recent weeks on the 'what are you listening to' threads that were incredibly enjoyable before.  I almost feel as though the hi-fi magic has gone and been replaced with an off the shelf music centre from Currys given the lack of involvement in the playback.

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