Kudos 707/808 vs ..?

I have read a bit on these speakers and they look great.  Unfortunately there seems to be no distribution at all in the US.  Also there don't seem to be any reviews comparing vs other high quality speakers.

Has anyone compared the Titans to let's say Proac D48R, K6, or K8s?  Or other good speakers?

 

 

Jas

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A lateral comparison, but I heard the Ovator S-600 and Titan 88 in a friend's room. Lots of glass and hard surfaces. Comparable in clarity and resolution, but the Kudos played warmer with better overall tonal balance and their isobaric bass was nicely tight. I suppose you might consider the S-600 or S-800 as contenders, but again, good luck finding a dealer in the US that has them in stock. It's big bucks to spend on speakers and I'd stick strictly to what I could home demo as the room interaction is key.

Kudos is now being distributed in the USA again. Next Level HiFi just picked up the entire Kudos line including the Titan models as the 1st USA retailer. They are located in the Chicago area ( Wayne, IL). They are also a Naim dealer. Owner Tyler Mueller is a great person to deal with.

sjbabbey posted:

Currently waiting to home demo a pair of Kudos 606s to upgrade from my S20s on the end of NDS/252/300DR.

We have very similar systems and I too am considering the 606s so would be very interested in  your thoughts on them from your home demo.

sjbabbey posted:

Currently waiting to home demo a pair of Kudos 606s to upgrade from my S20s on the end of NDS/252/300DR.

I'd be interested in your thoughts - The Super 20s were designed/voiced with the Nap300 - so would be interesting to see what the switch to 606 does for balance. 

MangoMonkey posted:
sjbabbey posted:

Currently waiting to home demo a pair of Kudos 606s to upgrade from my S20s on the end of NDS/252/300DR.

I'd be interested in your thoughts - The Super 20s were designed/voiced with the Nap300 - so would be interesting to see what the switch to 606 does for balance. 

Balance and everything else is improved. If you like your S20’s you’ll love the 606’s. Tremendous speakers.

I have to admit that the S20s and the 252/300DR sound wonderful for the most part but the S20s sometimes have an issue with very close-miked vocals if the recordings aren’t mastered so well. Am hoping for an improvement in this area and wth (I’m told) the 606s being less sensitive I should have a greater available range to control the playback volume via the preamp.

The upgrade to the 606s would also make my system more ND555 ready (wishful thinking ) 

sjbabbey posted:

I have to admit that the S20s and the 252/300DR sound wonderful for the most part but the S20s sometimes have an issue with very close-miked vocals if the recordings aren’t mastered so well. Am hoping for an improvement in this area and wth (I’m told) the 606s being less sensitive I should have a greater available range to control the playback volume via the preamp. 

That's an interesting approach to me. You've built a resolving system that exposes flaws in recording/mastering quality and are now looking to use speakers as a tweak to ameliorate that factor.

Hi Joe

Obviously I'm hoping that the 606s will bring an overall improvement in SQ to my system. As I've mentioned the S20s are great speakers and in the main I love the airyness and resolution they bring to the mid and higher frequency bands and I certainly hope that the 606s retain this quality.

If they also make some less than ideally mastered recordings more enjoyable to listen to then so much the better.  

sjbabbey posted:

Hi Joe

Obviously I'm hoping that the 606s will bring an overall improvement in SQ to my system. As I've mentioned the S20s are great speakers and in the main I love the airyness and resolution they bring to the mid and higher frequency bands and I certainly hope that the 606s retain this quality.

If they also make some less than ideally mastered recordings more enjoyable to listen to then so much the better.  

The 606s are a little bigger than your S20s and I'd imagine they are more weightier.   Shifting down a notes centre of gravity would likely leave some aspects sounding less exposed.

sjbabbey posted:

Hi Joe

Obviously I'm hoping that the 606s will bring an overall improvement in SQ to my system. As I've mentioned the S20s are great speakers and in the main I love the airyness and resolution they bring to the mid and higher frequency bands and I certainly hope that the 606s retain this quality.

If they also make some less than ideally mastered recordings more enjoyable to listen to then so much the better.  

SJ, I get what you're seeking. My comment was not directly pointed at you so much as an observation that folks here often seek the ultimate resolution with their systems, a sound that gets at the essence of the recording. As you've implied, with lesser recordings this can become "too much information" or a level of resolution not favorably received by the ears. So now treat the system in another regard, say with alternate speakers.

I ran the SN2 and while outstanding with well-recorded music found it too resolving and overexposing of lesser recordings in my musical holdings. Presumably a function of the integrated's pre-amp. Rather than be left alienated from appreciating those lesser recordings I chose an integrated with a slightly warmer presentation. While giving up a bit of resolution or maybe the very "essence of the recording", I gained play that allowed me to genuinely enjoy a far greater lot of my catalog. Great recordings still shine and poorest stuff isn't sugar coated, but recordings in the marginal arena are far more enjoyable.

My latest upgrade was speakers and I hope you find a pair that does the trick for you. Just suggesting that absolute resolve and clarity may not be the best measure of a system's engagement ability.

Chris Dolan posted:
Dave J posted:

They are a little bit bigger, which helps, but the fact that they're isobaric also adds some additional “weight” and control.

I knew that I should not have started to read this thread - it was supposed to be about Titan 707 / 808

It was, Chris, and that’s where I started too but the 606’s are just so damn alluring... 

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