Munich

Bert Schurink posted:

This years report of the high end has come to an end. It was a pleasure to share the things I saw and heard. If you disagree with some things, please remember it’s just my opinion or what I registered in the limitations which were there. So you can just ignore it or violently disagree, I am ok either way. After this post I will only react to questions but stop producing new content as their is no more. This odd product is a good end of the journey. I am already looking forward to next years one. While it might be less exciting for me as I would already have the ND555 up and running.....

 

Seems to be a device that supplies pure battery power to your audio system. It totally disconnects audio systems from the grid to avoid DC voltage, high level frequencies and other interferences that reduce audio quality. Yours for a mere 39000 euros...

William posted:
Bert Schurink posted.

And an apology to William who I met at the show. I went on quite quickly as I wanted to hear the next demo.

Not a problem Bert, it was nice to bump into you and I have to confess I only had 2 and a half hours time at the show in total as I had to catch a train out of town.

The Naim room was a highlight for me, I enjoyed talking to some of the guys from Salisbury and hearing the NDS/Statement/Focal. I belong to the group that consider the Focal design to be an aberration in the context of Naim‘s image and design philosophy but boy did that system sound good.

Two more highlights were catching up with Roon and meeting the man who built and recently upgraded my Metrum Pavane DAC. He showed me how I could easily swap out the USB for an i2s board and connect the DAC via i2s to Metrum Acoustic‘s Ambre, which is Roon Ready.

Now enjoying catching up reading your comprehensive report Bert. Thanks!

Who from Roon was there William, any Roon news?

I see we have quite similar systems with Naim amplification/ Speakers and Roon source. The Pavane looks interesting, how do you rate it?

.sjb

sunbeamgls posted:
Mr Underhill posted:
Bert Schurink posted:

........ I found it very interesting, more than the system in the background...

Hi Bert,

Great reports. Did you listen to the EAR-YOSHINO system? Did you note what speakers those were? Grahams??

Thx

Yes, they are Grahams.  Grahams posted a photo on FB yesterday.  Bert noted his thoughts about this system in his report, which you've quoted.

Grahams also launched 2 new speakers at the show, but their FB post gave no details. Doh!

Hi SB,

I was hoping to encourage a bit more from Bert: Was the demo of TdeP's updated reel to reel; What sort if music; etc.

His amps are superb, but his taste in music is rather different from mine. He recommends the Grahams LS5/9, which regardless of its presentation is too big for my 14x12 listening room I feel. Wondering whether the otehr speaker was the LS6 - and how that sounded.

M

Mr Underhill posted:
sunbeamgls posted:
Mr Underhill posted:
Bert Schurink posted:

........ I found it very interesting, more than the system in the background...

Hi Bert,

Great reports. Did you listen to the EAR-YOSHINO system? Did you note what speakers those were? Grahams??

Thx

Yes, they are Grahams.  Grahams posted a photo on FB yesterday.  Bert noted his thoughts about this system in his report, which you've quoted.

Grahams also launched 2 new speakers at the show, but their FB post gave no details. Doh!

Hi SB,

I was hoping to encourage a bit more from Bert: Was the demo of TdeP's updated reel to reel; What sort if music; etc.

His amps are superb, but his taste in music is rather different from mine. He recommends the Grahams LS5/9, which regardless of its presentation is too big for my 14x12 listening room I feel. Wondering whether the otehr speaker was the LS6 - and how that sounded.

M

The system wasn’t so much in focus, it was more about the record8ng process and how to get to a direct to cut record. yes they played two pieces. As it was music from Lyn Stanley it was jazz vocal music the system did a good job, but it wasn’t spectectular just decent. The music wasn’t really testing the system to it’s limits, so difficult to say what it was really capable off.

French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats I limited myself to streaming, and while I like the sound of black gold, I am perfectly happy with what I have.

It would also mean all kind of additional investments which are nice when money is growing on your back......, but when I checked last this morning this was not the case 😀

Tim d. P used Grahams LS5/9

Wonderfull speakers, he did have some issues with bas performance on some music though, might be room too, I've heard same issues earlier from some larger Harbeth and Spendor boxes. Superb mids and very well paired with TdP amplication. Indeed tape and vinyl were very good.

The smaller Graham ones were LS6f I believe

Not sure they were on much, perhaps as monitor for Lin Stanley when she had some nice singings there

Not so crowded were the alternative hifideluxe show on Marriot hotel

French JMF and indeed Vertere/FM acoustics did some really nice sound there, not much on MOC could compete this level imo.

Back to MOC, The Focal speakers in large Naim room were terrible bassy and I left in a hurry, oh my oh my, they are ugly those large Focals. I would never give room to them.

Interesting stuff the old Western Electric speakers powered by Silbatone valve kit fronted by Schroeder and Schick turntables, simple quality check, people stayed longer here as they did in Living Voice and TdP sessions. Kondo wasn't bad either.

Unfortunately some large ATC speakers sounded hard and uncontrolled, not really expected

The new Chord TT2 looks good even their design is strange imo

I look forward reading more about the new Ceramic body Jico MC cartridge (HO) was damn close to buy it myself at reduced show price tempted by a nice friendly selling lady trying to put me on purchase list, she could have done if I had a turntable to match it.

Perol posted:

Tim d. P used Grahams LS5/9

Wonderfull speakers, he did have some issues with bas performance on some music though, might be room too, I've heard same issues earlier from some larger Harbeth and Spendor boxes. Superb mids and very well paired with TdP amplication. Indeed tape and vinyl were very good.

The smaller Graham ones were LS6f I believe

Not sure they were on much, perhaps as monitor for Lin Stanley when she had some nice singings there

I can confirm the small ones where used as monitor for Lyn’s voice, the story and some live singing on top of the album.

Obsydian posted:

Bert - once again many thanks, I vote you become the official Naim forum roving reporter, excellent pictures, insights and mention on non Naim items 😀

Thanks you are all too kind. A forum lives from it’s contributions. I have learned already so much here and got introduced to a lot of good music. So I just am happy that I can return something and as said before, because I write about it also focuses me more to deeply enjoy the event - normally you only go from room to room and afterwards have an average feeling and only the highlights stay in mind. Now I have enjoyed every room, and was really aware and sharpened also my own understanding of what sound I like and what I dislike. 

 

Funny enough I had in former years a kind of sadness as I returned to my less established system. But nowadays I am happy when I come home and actually can confirm again what a great system I have. 

I am very happy with the specific sound signature of Naim and I am happy that I was as lucky to meet the dealer and get introduced. So I didn’t end up with an emotionless system.

Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats...

My cat used to like sleeping on my LP12 (with the lid closed!) Never caused a problem, even when it was playing. 

ChrisSU posted:
Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats...

My cat used to like sleeping on my LP12 (with the lid closed!) Never caused a problem, even when it was playing. 

Beautiful.

Worth the best system pic, Shoul have taken one!

Bert, Just a big thank you for taking so much time & trouble into creating a great write up (including some very helpful equipment & room shots) which has been so interesting to read each day. Your comments and opinions were also a very welcome addition!

Bert Schurink posted:

I thought it would be good to republish the interesting things I heard during the show, either from a musical perspective or a test you system perspective to start with the last category

 

Hi Bert, wanted to add my thanks for this incredible effort on reporting the Munich show, super useful and great reading. Your ongoing and insightful Jazz and Classical recommendations in the Music Room are a frequent boon and highly valued too. Thanks again. In a trivial effort to give something back, if you like the above RR disc I’d also highly commend this one if you don’t know it. The Music is very 1950’s/60’s English, but the more I listen, the more I love it and the recording is, well, reference I guess!  Kevin

 

Bert Schurink posted:

Some more musically focused but still sometimes showing the system...

 



This is a wonderful album. IIRC it was Olaf at Music Line who introduced it to me for the first time around 12 years ago and was kind enough to send me a copy of the CD.  Well worth tracking down a copy.

Thanks for the show report Bert.

Antonio1 posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats...

My cat used to like sleeping on my LP12 (with the lid closed!) Never caused a problem, even when it was playing. 

Beautiful.

Worth the best system pic, Shoul have taken one!

Too late, I sold the LP12. There were complaints!

Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats I limited myself to streaming, and while I like the sound of black gold, I am perfectly happy with what I have.

It would also mean all kind of additional investments which are nice when money is growing on your back......, but when I checked last this morning this was not the case 😀

we all have appreciated all your efforts to show the maximum of the show.  For turntables, i will tap Michael Fremer munich 2018 analog planet on youtube.   I don’t want to change my turntable, just for curiosity....and dream....

ChrisSU posted:
Antonio1 posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats...

My cat used to like sleeping on my LP12 (with the lid closed!) Never caused a problem, even when it was playing. 

Beautiful.

Worth the best system pic, Shoul have taken one!

Too late, I sold the LP12. There were complaints!

a dedicated shelf for the cat.   Naim should make special fraim shelves for cats, with bed option.   Your cat is funny Chrissu.

French Rooster posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Antonio1 posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats...

My cat used to like sleeping on my LP12 (with the lid closed!) Never caused a problem, even when it was playing. 

Beautiful.

Worth the best system pic, Shoul have taken one!

Too late, I sold the LP12. There were complaints!

a dedicated shelf for the cat.   Naim should make special fraim shelves for cats, with bed option.   Your cat is funny Chrissu.

As it is a cat you would spent a lot of money on creating the special Naim Cat Shelf, and the cat would per definition take another shelf...., as they never do what you plan...

Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Antonio1 posted:
ChrisSU posted:
Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:

Bon travail Bert!  Bravo !         i give you 9,5/10 , just because there was no turntable’s photos.  And Munich is the biggest show for turntables.    But it was certainly your choice and i respect it.

Remind me next year and I will put some more effort in the turntables. I don’t have one because of my cats...

My cat used to like sleeping on my LP12 (with the lid closed!) Never caused a problem, even when it was playing. 

Beautiful.

Worth the best system pic, Shoul have taken one!

Too late, I sold the LP12. There were complaints!

a dedicated shelf for the cat.   Naim should make special fraim shelves for cats, with bed option.   Your cat is funny Chrissu.

As it is a cat you would spent a lot of money on creating the special Naim Cat Shelf, and the cat would per definition take another shelf...., as they never do what you plan...

perhaps naim can produce also a coat for the cat, with naim logo. To see also the cat in the dark, with the logo shining ....

Mr Underhill posted:

Hi Bert,

I'll add my thanks. I think this is the best show thread I have read as you have given a consistent voice as you've covered the various exhibits. You've even got ne thinking about going next year!

M

Hey Mister Underhill,

I heard some days ago the ear v12 integrated:  visceral, with prat and involvement, life, and beautiful tones.  The speakers were sonus faber olympica 3 with a high end french streaming dac( audiomat maestro 3).   

It convinced me to sell my nap 300dr and get the 534 power amp, to go with my 912.    I can’t listen to this combo at my home but will listen to the v12 on my system.  I am quite sure today that i will take this road

Hi Bert ..... great report thanks for all the effort ....... I think there are allot of Naim- ites really keen to see your ND555 report .... now I have looked at some of the technical aspects ........  I think some of your initial comments are probably bang on ..... this player will be a class act ....... with superb detail retrieval .... we are all excited at the prospect.....of a new era of top Naim streaming .......cheers

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