nd555 announcement : music matters show/ 8 march

Is an NDS with twin 555DRs, not an ND555?

That what Naim have been using to demo the Statement amplifier at all the UK shows last year.
Wouldn't this be the same for this event in Seattle?
Also if there was a new high-end Streamer to be announced and unveiled wouldn't Naim do this at the Bristol HiFi Show at the end of February, in their home market? 

It will be interesting to see if it has DSP capabilities, this seems an area Naim are falling behind Linn and Devialet. 

Roon compatibility does give a road in but it’s far from simple. 

A dealer setup including room measurements and a DSP curve would seem a perfect fit for the Naim dealer system. 

.sjb

I admire how the CD555 digs deeper than I ever thought possible, its technical abilities, but I always preferred the musical presentation of the CDS3. The NDS is a way in front of the CDS3 to my ears, although I regard it as its spiritual successor. It reminds me a lot of how the CDS3 served things up. So the ND555 is going to be interesting. 

Gazza posted:

Anyhow NDS is in the classic box, you can get 555 ps in either classic or 500 series box. Nd555 will be in 500 series box with new Uniti type screen and architecture to be announced.

perhaps with statement ps in statement style?   13k for the nd555 and 13k for the ps?

well Naim had plenty of time to digest the onslaught of the Hugo and the Chord Dave, so I think this will be something special.

With all the new technology around, the Cd555 still sounds special to me 

Now that the cat is out of the bag, why not do a Chord or Linn style announcement and tell the world what it is

Naim , why not?

 

analogmusic posted:

I'm very, very sure it won't and would bet good money on that.

By the way does it mean you don't like the Chord presentation?

chord dave in green and black would be nicer with naim electronics.....

It would be interesting to have a chord streamer with the quality of the dave too....

When the NDS was being readied, the ND5 launched. Naim demo'd ND5, NDX and NDS in roadshows. Little confusion was caused. Quite the opposite!

Paul stated that a Statement Streamer is in the works, some two years ago. Hardly a realevation. But the timeline to launch would be a realevation at this juncture.

The "bush telegraph" has been tracking the ND555 for the best part of a year. Maybe longer. It was expected to debut in the metal this year, although a retail launch date is unknown. I don't think that's too earth shattering. It will debut with Statement amps. That doesn't seem earth shattering either, given than to date, Naim have done NDS/555PS/555PS with Statement amplification at shows. Now they have a higher level front end.

A Statement streamer would be a total ambush - well, for me anyway. Although introducing the public to two new streamers at different levels in one sitting is precedented.

.....and there is no Naim magic fairy dust out there to scatter over a statement streamer. Even an ND555 will have to have a lot of  engineering tricks up its sleeve to warrant a doubling in price from the NDS. 

It’s an obvious upgrade path and maybe Naim will be happy with that but as I say it will really have to be something special to generate interest outside the Naim fraternity. 

There are quite a few disrupters out there at the moment. I have quality that to my ears is better than CD555/555PS at 20% of the price. 

.sjb

Harry posted:

The ND555 with a Statement has not publically debuted.  Yet. In the unlikely event that a ND555 will be presented alongside a Statement streamer, that will have been one hell of a well kept secret.

the Music Matters show , at Seattle, announced on the site:  new products : Naim statement / nd555 streamer, linn urika 2....   I don’t think it is a fake, you can google music matters nd555 streamer 8 march.

French Rooster posted:
Harry posted:

The ND555 with a Statement has not publically debuted.  Yet. In the unlikely event that a ND555 will be presented alongside a Statement streamer, that will have been one hell of a well kept secret.

the Music Matters show , at Seattle, announced on the site:  new products : Naim statement / nd555 streamer, linn urika 2....   I don’t think it is a fake, you can google music matters nd555 streamer 8 march.

I think they have now taken the reference to Naim ND555 off their announcement on the Definitiv web site, but Steve Sells is shown as a "special guest" so I imagine he's not going all that way to listen to the Linn demo!

best

David

French Rooster posted:

the Music Matters show , at Seattle, announced on the site:  new products : Naim statement / nd555 streamer, linn urika 2....   I don’t think it is a fake

I'm sure it isn't. I'm also confident that the way it's worded does not preface the introduction of a Statement level streamer. I think the new ND555 (much rumoured and anticipated) will debut fronting a Statement amped system.

We'll all know soon enough.

French Rooster posted:

yes, the nd555 disappeared from the eventbrite site. Sad news....  Naim is not ready perhaps or it was an initial error?

No it's just that the US company broke the news embargo. They are embarassed right now. Naim is a little bit cross because they planned a surprise. To most people it will be a surprise still because the Naim forum is a microcosm, not relevant or even known, to most customers. The launch will still happen as the posting said.

best

David

djh1697 posted:

Nice rumours to start and read, how about some real links, to real websites and not #fakenews ?

it was on the eventbrite website a few hours ago, and very probably it was not a fake, just the site had not the right to post it, as David Hendon said.   My dealer said also to me that a new nds streamer is on the way....but logically it will be on the statement level and normally the name will be nd555 .  Some mystery will remain until the end.

I really hope it is on the new architecture. If it is simply evolution of the NDS or classic it will be obsolete out of the door. I am hoping for something great.. Also hoping for updated classic streamers on the new platform. Would really be interested in a upgrade from the 272, which I think was their best streamer effort to date  - with the new tech...

DUPREE posted:

Looks like updated architecture/Uniti based and in a very attractive and complementary classic case. I wonder what the price point is? is it a direct replacement for the NDS?

Surely as it's pitched as 500 series, it will be much higher than NDS? I suspect twice the price of NDS or higher.

best

David

Terry Smith posted:

and $20,000 + apparently for US customers 

That makes me pretty skeptical. I wonder what perceived value they can add to a digital streamer to make it worth 2x a NDS; I would hope that is with power supply as if not it is going to be even a multiple of the Klimax DSM. Guess we will know soon enough.

Hungryhalibut posted:
DUPREE posted:

Looks like updated architecture/Uniti based and in a very attractive and complementary classic case. I wonder what the price point is? is it a direct replacement for the NDS?

£13,000. 

This is exactly what I have heard.

My dealer tells me there will be trickle down from the ND555; it seems inevitable.  The question is how long.  (I can see a somewhat diabolical Naim releasing only the ND555 for a looong period of time to try to maximize sales of the flagship before releasing less expensive alternatives...)

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Who said anything about an NDX replacement....... I very much doubt there will be one unless key parts became obsolete ... what would be the point..

Chromecast, Airplay, Roon, Tidal sounding as good as UPnP and without dropouts, and reliable WiFi performance, I would imagine. 

ChrisSU posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Who said anything about an NDX replacement....... I very much doubt there will be one unless key parts became obsolete ... what would be the point..

Chromecast, Airplay, Roon, Tidal sounding as good as UPnP and without dropouts, and reliable WiFi performance, I would imagine. 

And using modern components that aren't going to go end of life nearly as quickly...

And sounding the best it possibly can for its price point. I suspect that will come before anything else.

My understanding is that the ND555 will be the culmination of the tuning and development of the DAC in the NDS (and DAC), including mechanical optimisation. I stand to be corrected, but that is my understanding.

For me this is good news. If the NDS hardware can be made to sound significantly better I'm in the queue and shoving.  Nothing else would be of interest to me.

Aren't rumours wonderful?!

Harry posted:

And sounding the best it possibly can for its price point. I suspect that will come before anything else.

My understanding is that the ND555 will be the culmination of the tuning and development of the DAC in the NDS (and DAC), including mechanical optimisation. I stand to be corrected, but that is my understanding.

For me this is good news. If the NDS hardware can be made to sound significantly better I'm in the queue and shoving.  Nothing else would be of interest to me.

Aren't rumours wonderful?!

I doubt this is the case. I would imagine it is a much improved DAC with improved capabilities as the NDS DAC is obsolete in a technical sense. They can't just tune up the NDS and add more mechanical isolation and call it a day. I would imagine and hope the ND555 is more of a technological tour-de force with better hardware and the new NAIM platform derived from the Uniti tweeked out until hopefully it provides sonic uphoria. Despite the struggles and false starts I really do think their platform is heading in the right direction and hope for great things in the pipeline.

DUPREE posted:
Harry posted:

And sounding the best it possibly can for its price point. I suspect that will come before anything else.

My understanding is that the ND555 will be the culmination of the tuning and development of the DAC in the NDS (and DAC), including mechanical optimisation. I stand to be corrected, but that is my understanding.

For me this is good news. If the NDS hardware can be made to sound significantly better I'm in the queue and shoving.  Nothing else would be of interest to me.

Aren't rumours wonderful?!

I doubt this is the case. I would imagine it is a much improved DAC with improved capabilities as the NDS DAC is obsolete in a technical sense. They can't just tune up the NDS and add more mechanical isolation and call it a day. I would imagine and hope the ND555 is more of a technological tour-de force with better hardware and the new NAIM platform derived from the Uniti tweeked out until hopefully it provides sonic uphoria. Despite the struggles and false starts I really do think their platform is heading in the right direction and hope for great things in the pipeline.

nds dac is obsolete ?   the most recent dac is not always better. The dac inside the nds is late 90’s dac, i don’t remember the name, in a 2012 product.  The streaming platform software is perhaps obsolete, but it works wonderfully.  The nd555 will bring of course an improvement, but for 25 k with ps price.   I am quite sure there will be some who will prefer the nds over the nd555, as cds3 over cd555.     But i am not saying i would not buy the nd555....if i had the funds.  I am also happy that naim try to push the boundaries.

Taking the CD555 as an example. It was massively over engineered, with minutely critical attention to every possible detail, to get the best musical performance out of the CDS3, with which it shared its DAC and digital filter. The results were stunning and demonstrated conclusively that the CD had hitherto not been able to give of its all, at any price level. Or so I read over and over again in all the reviews.

This is what Naim do so well. I believe they will do it again with the ND555. They don't tend to throw a good thing away because it is not a new thing. They will take its musical performance to levels which were not thought possible, or at least not possible to be heard by the human ear. Until it was.

And then again it might all be brand new. We will know soon enough. I don't care if it is all brand new as long as it plays music better than the NDS. And by a wide enough margin. It's a no lose situation for me. We love the NDS so much in this house that we won't be disappointed if our money stays in our bank and not the dealer's.  However, we think this is unlikely. But who knows? Yet.

I'm very optimistic.  I'm using a Uniti Atom for streaming duties right now while my dealer tries to flog my NDX (hence my apprehension about timing).  Frankly it sounds almost as good as the NDX, and the user interface and display is brilliant.  So I have no doubts the ND555 will be a stunner.  Just hope 95% of that ends up in the NDX replacement...

It is not only the DAC as a chipset which determines the endresult. It is about the implementation of the DAC including all the circuitry around it that does that. Also the analogue output stages ... so implementing that Sabre DAC for example does not neccessary bring the desired results ... 

Klout10 posted:

It is not only the DAC as a chipset which determines the endresult. It is about the implementation of the DAC including all the circuitry around it that does that. Also the analogue output stages ... so implementing that Sabre DAC for example does not neccessary bring the desired results ... 

I bet it goes along way toward it though....

The current BB1704 laser trimmed DACs are now 20 years old......you might hope something else has been developed that could sound better. These were discussed as being the “wonder” chips back in 1998 in Stereophile. They were obviously good to still be around, but......

Klout10 posted:

It is not only the DAC as a chipset which determines the endresult. It is about the implementation of the DAC including all the circuitry around it that does that. Also the analogue output stages ... so implementing that Sabre DAC for example does not neccessary bring the desired results ... 

For the sake of clarity, whenever I have referred to a DAC I have meant the finished article in a box that you buy and plug in, as opposed to an integrated circuit analog to digital converor chip that needs other circuitry around it.

You could say that WAV giving the best SQ is a weakness. It implies the pipeline does not always deals with some levels of compression. Personally I’m not bothered about using WAV as I feed my CDX2 into nDAC. I can’t imagine any ND555 owner being concerned either, but perhaps with the move to Highres it could become more of an issue.

Phil

Gazza posted:

The current BB1704 laser trimmed DACs are now 20 years old.....

and of course Burr Brown ceased to be many years back, and is now a marketing brand owned by Texas Instruments. I believe the chip is called a PCM1704K and manufactured by Texas Instruments.

Edit... seems to be pulled from the TI library now.. perhaps it’s finally been discontinued?

 

I just wonder why a CD Player/transport does sound different (better IMHO) than a computer/streamer solution for digital files.
If I need to describe the differences:
1. A CDP has a soundstage - each instrument is locked in it's place.
2. A CDP has more weight of instruments.
3. A CDP has more HF and LF.
4. A streamer has a much bigger sound - instruments sounds BIG/HUGH, but the soundstage is smeared.
5. A streamer sounds more fluid - "less digital".
6. In classical music, all pianists sounds the same with the streamer (well, not exactly the same) but it's like a black box
which always output a great performance, nice to hear, nice to be there. No contrasts though, I don't hear every bit on the CD.

Do we have a "problem" with the streamer/DAC itself? How would the ND555 deal with that? A new DAC and a new computer implementation is obvious I guess.

Do we have a "problem" with serving files through the network? How would the ND555 deal with that?
A naim's switch/router? naim's ethernet cables?
A different way for files transfer? A NaimTransfer?
Nothing?

Currently I've heard many streamers from different companies, and many CD Players from different companies.
I can say that every streamer got me bored listening to music, and every CD Player caught my attention and I could
connect to the music.
Of course there are better streamers/CDP, but it's my general feeling.
The computer is always "approaches" to the CD Player, but never get there. WHY?

BP.

The opposite was the case in our house. We were convinced from the start that streamed files sounded differently better than CD playback. This is how an HDX came to replace our CDX2 and our plans to get a CDS3 were abandoned. We were able to run the CDX2 alongside the HDX for around a year. It wasn't huge but the HDX had it easily.Both standing alone and through the DAC. The latter surprised us.

The NDS moved the game on for us, a long way. More than we would have anticipated. As did dropping the HDX in favour of NAS based servers (Asset and Minimserver). Taking a break from my 25 day February work schedule this evening (you can't spend it if you don't earn it first) to listen to some treasured albums, I am genuinely perplexed at how the NDS could possibly be made to sound better. 

Could be I'm going to find out this year.

Harry posted:

The opposite was the case in our house. We were convinced from the start that streamed files sounded differently better than CD playback. This is how an HDX came to replace our CDX2 and our plans to get a CDS3 were abandoned. We were able to run the CDX2 alongside the HDX for around a year. It wasn't huge but the HDX had it easily.Both standing alone and through the DAC. The latter surprised us.

The NDS moved the game on for us, a long way. More than we would have anticipated. As did dropping the HDX in favour of NAS based servers (Asset and Minimserver). Taking a break from my 25 day February work schedule this evening (you can't spend it if you don't earn it first) to listen to some treasured albums, I am genuinely perplexed at how the NDS could possibly be made to sound better. 

Could be I'm going to find out this year.

Harry, I'm so happy for you that you enjoy the NDS. I know that you and your wife are very pleased with the streaming solution.
I'm also very appreciate your opinion.
I know others that, like you, really enjoy the new technology and I wish I could enjoy it too.
It's so fun to handle an iPad with thousands of albums - it's so convenience, but unfortunately it sounds dull to me,
especially in classical music which is 95% of my music.

Tried anything from Chord ethernet cables (Sarum & Signature), switch + iFi iPower through UnitiCore and 2X555PS DR,
the NDS sounds better with all those tweaks, but as I said before, only "approaches" to the real thing - the CD Player.

Maybe we all hear differently...

BP.

There are so many variables. It would be odd if any two set ups sounded identical. The good thing is that we have choice. Although if I was a committed CD playback fan I would be starting to worry. Unless I had a spare mechanism or two stashed. IIRC the CD555 came with a spare, ear marked at the factory.

Perhaps Naim are about to broaden your horizons? Albeit at a considerable cost.

BPhotographer posted:

I just wonder why a CD Player/transport does sound different (better IMHO) than a computer/streamer solution for digital files.
If I need to describe the differences:
1. A CDP has a soundstage - each instrument is locked in it's place.
2. A CDP has more weight of instruments.
3. A CDP has more HF and LF.
4. A streamer has a much bigger sound - instruments sounds BIG/HUGH, but the soundstage is smeared.
5. A streamer sounds more fluid - "less digital".
6. In classical music, all pianists sounds the same with the streamer (well, not exactly the same) but it's like a black box
which always output a great performance, nice to hear, nice to be there. No contrasts though, I don't hear every bit on the CD.

Do we have a "problem" with the streamer/DAC itself? How would the ND555 deal with that? A new DAC and a new computer implementation is obvious I guess.

Do we have a "problem" with serving files through the network? How would the ND555 deal with that?
A naim's switch/router? naim's ethernet cables?
A different way for files transfer? A NaimTransfer?
Nothing?

Currently I've heard many streamers from different companies, and many CD Players from different companies.
I can say that every streamer got me bored listening to music, and every CD Player caught my attention and I could
connect to the music.
Of course there are better streamers/CDP, but it's my general feeling.
The computer is always "approaches" to the CD Player, but never get there. WHY?

BP.

Hi BPhotographer. 

Maybe I can be of some help sharing my experiences. I have managed to achieve almost identical (ie I can't tell them apart) sound to my cd source using the same dac from my bespoke streaming set up and to my ears it is at least equal to Linn kds2 and NDS, which is why I eagerly await the the ND555. My system is high end Naim s800 active 500drs etc.

Firstly I have the switch at the dac end of the setup and this seems to be imperative. I have the Paul pang zytech with oxco clock with Naim hicap level power supply and this is the best I have tried. The Ethernet cable from the switch to the renderer is fine tuning the sound, I found high end cables I have tried take the life from the music, even to the extent I preferred the duronic cable on Amazon to be incredible value at £1.99 and very musical, however I have now settled on the ppang at £110 as being the best I have tried.

I use the ultra rendu again powered by a hicap level power supply plugged directly into the dac with no lead just usb adapter plug.

I use the emm labs cd and dac from there with Logitech music software.

It makes it easy to compare any "upgrades" and I go directly back to the cd, because as I have said many times, people plug in upgrades and think it sounds better because it sounds different and don't go back after a week or so.

RICHYH posted:
BPhotographer posted:

I just wonder why a CD Player/transport does sound different (better IMHO) than a computer/streamer solution for digital files.
If I need to describe the differences:
1. A CDP has a soundstage - each instrument is locked in it's place.
2. A CDP has more weight of instruments.
3. A CDP has more HF and LF.
4. A streamer has a much bigger sound - instruments sounds BIG/HUGH, but the soundstage is smeared.
5. A streamer sounds more fluid - "less digital".
6. In classical music, all pianists sounds the same with the streamer (well, not exactly the same) but it's like a black box
which always output a great performance, nice to hear, nice to be there. No contrasts though, I don't hear every bit on the CD.

Do we have a "problem" with the streamer/DAC itself? How would the ND555 deal with that? A new DAC and a new computer implementation is obvious I guess.

Do we have a "problem" with serving files through the network? How would the ND555 deal with that?
A naim's switch/router? naim's ethernet cables?
A different way for files transfer? A NaimTransfer?
Nothing?

Currently I've heard many streamers from different companies, and many CD Players from different companies.
I can say that every streamer got me bored listening to music, and every CD Player caught my attention and I could
connect to the music.
Of course there are better streamers/CDP, but it's my general feeling.
The computer is always "approaches" to the CD Player, but never get there. WHY?

BP.

.

Firstly I have the switch at the dac end of the setup and this seems to be imperative. I have the Paul pang zytech with oxco clock with Naim hicap level power supply and this is the best I have tried. The Ethernet cable from the switch to the renderer is fine tuning the sound, I found high end cables I have tried take the life from the music, even to the extent I preferred the duronic cable on Amazon to be incredible value at £1.99 and very musical, however I have now settled on the ppang at £110 as being the best I have tried.

I use the ultra rendu again powered by a hicap level power supply plugged directly into the dac with no lead just usb adapter plug.

 

I think store-renderers, like Melco, Core, Innuos Zenith (and various more DIY solutions) feeding a DAC direct make getting decent streaming a lot easier, because they rule out any influence of the network, which seem to cause perennial problems and/or tweaking to optimise (though some people find a simple and unsophisticated network works perfectly). 

As fir the difference between CD and streaming, firstly of course comparison is only of relevance with the same DAC, as that alone can have a huge influence on the sound. All else being equal (DAC, quality of electronics, etc), CD inherently has more potential for degradation of the signal than streaming a digital music file,  e.g. having to be read from a spinning disk that may have imperfections, and associated error-correction algorithms, so if anything I would expect streaming to sound better -and then there is the potential for streaming to improve further with hi res material. However, more pointedly, the question of which sounds better to the listener’s ears depends on the listener - witness the different opinions about which of Naim’s CDPs sounds better. 

This, to me, is why the nd555 is pivotal moment in streaming. It is the first time Naim have designed and built an extreme high end streamer, and going by the rest of the 500 series it must be something special. To beat the Linn ds3 must be the first objective, as it will be more expensive.

RICHYH posted:

This, to me, is why the nd555 is pivotal moment in streaming. It is the first time Naim have designed and built an extreme high end streamer, and going by the rest of the 500 series it must be something special. To beat the Linn ds3 must be the first objective, as it will be more expensive.

When it was introduced, wasn’t NDS an extreme high end streamer?

Chag... posted:
RICHYH posted:

To beat the Linn ds3 must be the first objective, as it will be more expensive.

I thought the NDS already did that. 

Chag -

 

It would seem that reviewer Martin Colloms is in agreement, if his scores are anything to go by:

Linn KDS/3 - 160

NDS/555PSDR - 300

Almost twice as good!

RICHYH posted:

This, to me, is why the nd555 is pivotal moment in streaming. It is the first time Naim have designed and built an extreme high end streamer, and going by the rest of the 500 series it must be something special. To beat the Linn ds3 must be the first objective, as it will be more expensive.

Aspiring to match the Chord Dave or the Linn DS3 is probably raising the bar and expectations just a little too far!

Hopefully it might match, or perhaps even better something like an NDX/Hugo or microRendu/Hugo. Now that's something a little more realistic to aim for! However, when you add on the price of the twin matching power supplies it might well be just a little more expensive. 

Hmack posted:
RICHYH posted:

This, to me, is why the nd555 is pivotal moment in streaming. It is the first time Naim have designed and built an extreme high end streamer, and going by the rest of the 500 series it must be something special. To beat the Linn ds3 must be the first objective, as it will be more expensive.

Aspiring to match the Chord Dave or the Linn DS3 is probably raising the bar and expectations just a little too far!

Hopefully it might match, or perhaps even better something like an NDX/Hugo or microRendu/Hugo. Now that's something a little more realistic to aim for! However, when you add on the price of the twin matching power supplies it might well be just a little more expensive. 

Hi Hmack

I cannot see how the aim to beat Linn DS3 is raising the bar too far, Naim are an excellent company and with Linn there is a great rivalry, I think this will be the first aim from a 500 series streamer designers. Whereas the Chord is just a dac, so maybe another argument. 

RICHYH posted:
Hmack posted:
RICHYH posted:

This, to me, is why the nd555 is pivotal moment in streaming. It is the first time Naim have designed and built an extreme high end streamer, and going by the rest of the 500 series it must be something special. To beat the Linn ds3 must be the first objective, as it will be more expensive.

Aspiring to match the Chord Dave or the Linn DS3 is probably raising the bar and expectations just a little too far!

Hopefully it might match, or perhaps even better something like an NDX/Hugo or microRendu/Hugo. Now that's something a little more realistic to aim for! However, when you add on the price of the twin matching power supplies it might well be just a little more expensive. 

Hi Hmack

I cannot see how the aim to beat Linn DS3 is raising the bar too far, Naim are an excellent company and with Linn there is a great rivalry, I think this will be the first aim from a 500 series streamer designers. Whereas the Chord is just a dac, so maybe another argument. 

Hi RICHYH,

My post was intended to be taken very much tongue in cheek, and was aimed primarily at the similarly tongue in cheek (I think) remarks about the Martin Colloms review. I have heard the current NDS/500DR and I think it's very good indeed, although my particular tastes run more to the most recent versions of the KDS (from DS/1 onwards). 

I have no doubt that the new ND555 will be very fine indeed, and may well challenge or even better the KDS/3. However, if it does, it won't be by much. There are a number of very good competing streamers and DACs at a similar price range to that of the NDS and ND555. It really all comes down to personal subjective preference, and improvements are becoming harder to come by.

I won't be purchasing an ND555 when it comes out, but I say this only because for me, an upgrade from DS/1 to DS/3 (one of the benefits of owning a KDS or KDSM) would be very much less expensive and more affordable. I am very comfortable with my current system (more so than I think I have ever been), and I no longer feel the inclination (nor have the pockets) to spend huge amounts of money on relatively small improvements.      

I suspect ......... the ND555 has been working for a while ........ knowing how sensitive Naim equipment is to burn in...... HQ are probably running the main demo unit 24/7 to try and extract the max ..... by my reckoning it would need at least 3 months... 

Richieroo posted:

I suspect ......... the ND555 has been working for a while ........ knowing how sensitive Naim equipment is to burn in...... HQ are probably running the main demo unit 24/7 to try and extract the max ..... by my reckoning it would need at least 3 months... 

Of course its been working for a while, its a question of sound quality. We will get to hear it when Naim are happy for us to hear it.  

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