ND555 Impressions

Hope you guys are ok with me posting so much on my experiences. But every other moment I have another experience which I try to reflect to give you a feeling of what the ND555 is about. With the NDS the music was more in between the speakers, now in my seating position I am part of the music. I am also reducing the volume also as the player brings a lot of energy across. And as already mentioned with rock the player takes you really by the balls (sorry for the rude expression), but that’s how the emotion comes across to me...., more to follow....

Bert you are one of a kind, great faith and belief, and your enthusiasm is truly wonderful. Make no apologies, nobody else has one to relay how it sounds. I have heard it twice, but the demo,s probably tried to please everyone, and in the end nobody. 

Just keep dropping the odd line when the emotion takes you😉

 

 

 

 

 

Keep the updates coming Bert, it’s great to hear your early experiences. Hopefully I won’t have to wait much longer before my one arrives and I can join in with all the fun. And responding to Yeti42, I would expect the volume to control the preamp via the system automation connection.

Bert Schurink posted:

Hope you guys are ok with me posting so much on my experiences. 

Yes please do Bert. At home sick, loving sitting here reading your comentry. I’m on the other side of the globe, hurry and wake up so you can feed us some more.

Congrats Bert, enjoy(you clearly are)

p.s I bet you don’t sleep a wink!

No quarter posted:

Bert

How do you have your ND555 connected to the Melco? Ethernet would be my guess,I wonder if there is a difference between Ethernet and BNC to a Core?...like there is on a 272.

It’s connected through a direct Ethernet connection. This in order to still have access to Tidal and even being able to use your iPad to control the beast. Given the separation between the ports for the ND555 and the LAN it’s pushing out noise from the network.

Next thought. The soundstage is so much improved that you are not listening to the music but you are part of the music you are the middle of the music. Soundimaging is much more forward. Or other people might call it more 3D. Makes you also better experience the difference between a live recording and a studio recording.

I hope that the new streamer is going to sound like a good CD player, not an improved version of the relatively dull NDS.
I find the NDS very monotonous, like a black box of which all music sounds "the same".
With a good CD Player, all music is much better defined and I get exactly what's going on on the disk, everything is much better: focus, highs, bass, 3D, etc.
The streamer has more "layers" and a seamless presentation but it's dull for a long time-listening (even a single full time [80min] CD).
The turntable and the CD player catch my attention, while I get disconnect from the music, many times, with the streamer (it's worse with classical music genre).

BP.

Nice to see ND555 getting some feedback. For such a flagship release I thought the conversations post the roadshows were relatively “light”  

I’ll be interested to have a listen at my dealers but a little  too costly for me at the moment but never say never!

Gary

 

 

BPhotographer posted:

I hope that the new streamer is going to sound like a good CD player, not an improved version of the relatively dull NDS.
I find the NDS very monotonous, like a black box of which all music sounds "the same".
With a good CD Player, all music is much better defined and I get exactly what's going on on the disk, everything is much better: focus, highs, bass, 3D, etc.
The streamer has more "layers" and a seamless presentation but it's dull for a long time-listening (even a single full time [80min] CD).
The turntable and the CD player catch my attention, while I get disconnect from the music, many times, with the streamer (it's worse with classical music genre).

BP.

Just do yourself a favor and have a listen to the ND555 - you will realize that it’s far from dull and a very engaging player, but in addition it does do so much more detail which a CD player never could do. So win win.

Notified two small flaws which might not even ND555 related. When pausing the play will sometimes with a longer pause not resume or just resume for 5 seconds and then drop out. Perhaps it’s also related to the option stay connected in the app which is not on in my case.

The other one I just saw when posting that I had to restart the app on my iPad to see the bit depth reflected.

Wow o wow Bert..CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Its a real treat to read your thoughts and reflections on Naim’s first reference streamer product. It looks like they have not disappointed , they have a lot to live up to with comparisons to the mighty NDS which has been a terrific ambassador for Naim. 

PS..unaccustomed as I am to buying blind I have also ordered an ND555 four weeks ago. I am currently on holiday and with everything crossed I am hoping that I will be somewhere near the front of the queue on my return. 

I’m really enjoying this and over the coming weeks more good reports on Naim’s new Reference Streamer..well done to all @ Naim..top work people!!!!

In Naim I trust!!!!!

It's going to be interesting to see how perceptions develop over the weekend.  Our NDS didn't seem to need a run it. I wonder if the ND555 will be more humpy?

Something that has been very striking with the NDS fronting 552/500  is how you can see into the stage depth. You can walk into it and as you approach it the 3D illusion seems very real.  If the ND555 takes this further, without over egging it, it's good news.  I think it may be more a trait of the 500 which the NDS and ND555 exploit, providing the information is in the recording.

Harry posted:

It's going to be interesting to see how perceptions develop over the weekend.  Our NDS didn't seem to need a run it. I wonder if the ND555 will be more humpy?

Something that has been very striking with the NDS fronting 552/500  is how you can see into the stage depth. You can walk into it and as you approach it the 3D illusion seems very real.  If the ND555 takes this further, without over egging it, it's good news.  I think it may be more a trait of the 500 which the NDS and ND555 exploit, providing the information is in the recording.

It definitely takes the 3D aspect much further. But not over the top. Now I am listen to Brahms 2nd Symphony by Barenboim, and again the feeling of a relaxation comes accross with still giving you all the details you ever wanted. 

With regards to run in, I have the feeling that’s not such a big deal as with other components. Yesterday afternoon it became a bit edgy, but that was gone again in the evening. So let’s see if it further develops.

Exactly Harry, that’s my thoughts. 

I’ve waited along time for Naim’s reference streamer as when I brought into Naim they didn’t have a streamer available so I elected to stay with my Logitech Transporter which is a wonderful product. We had a very young baby back then and we decided to keep CD’s and vinyl hidden away from young inquisitive and sticky hands!!! 

The reference streamer could be my Naim journey end... that’s what I keep telling the wife!!!!

Dustysox posted:

Exactly Harry, that’s my thoughts. 

I’ve waited along time for Naim’s reference streamer as when I brought into Naim they didn’t have a streamer available so I elected to stay with my Logitech Transporter which is a wonderful product. We had a very young baby back then and we decided to keep CD’s and vinyl hidden away from young inquisitive and sticky hands!!! 

The reference streamer could be my Naim journey end... that’s what I keep telling the wife!!!!

Just take her to a listening session and things will be sealed....

Bert Schurink posted:
Harry posted:

It's going to be interesting to see how perceptions develop over the weekend.  Our NDS didn't seem to need a run it. I wonder if the ND555 will be more humpy?

Something that has been very striking with the NDS fronting 552/500  is how you can see into the stage depth. You can walk into it and as you approach it the 3D illusion seems very real.  If the ND555 takes this further, without over egging it, it's good news.  I think it may be more a trait of the 500 which the NDS and ND555 exploit, providing the information is in the recording.

It definitely takes the 3D aspect much further. But not over the top. Now I am listen to Brahms 2nd Symphony by Barenboim, and again the feeling of a relaxation comes accross with still giving you all the details you ever wanted. 

With regards to run in, I have the feeling that’s not such a big deal as with other components. Yesterday afternoon it became a bit edgy, but that was gone again in the evening. So let’s see if it further develops.

I guess if you already had a 555ps which was already run in, then that’s probably the one that needed the running in. If you bought both from new then it would be a much longer settling in period.

Bert Schurink posted:
Dustysox posted:

Exactly Harry, that’s my thoughts. 

I’ve waited along time for Naim’s reference streamer as when I brought into Naim they didn’t have a streamer available so I elected to stay with my Logitech Transporter which is a wonderful product. We had a very young baby back then and we decided to keep CD’s and vinyl hidden away from young inquisitive and sticky hands!!! 

The reference streamer could be my Naim journey end... that’s what I keep telling the wife!!!!

Just take her to a listening session and things will be sealed....

Not needed Bert..I ordered one four weeks ago. That’s the beauty of Naim..black boxes come and go and quite easily get pass the Wife Police!!!

 

Bert Schurink posted:

Notified two small flaws which might not even ND555 related. When pausing the play will sometimes with a longer pause not resume or just resume for 5 seconds and then drop out. Perhaps it’s also related to the option stay connected in the app which is not on in my case.

The other one I just saw when posting that I had to restart the app on my iPad to see the bit depth reflected.

send it to me, i will see where is the problem .....  

French Rooster posted:
Bert Schurink posted:

Notified two small flaws which might not even ND555 related. When pausing the play will sometimes with a longer pause not resume or just resume for 5 seconds and then drop out. Perhaps it’s also related to the option stay connected in the app which is not on in my case.

The other one I just saw when posting that I had to restart the app on my iPad to see the bit depth reflected.

send it to me, i will see where is the problem .....  

I thought a split of a split second about and have to decline.....

Not sure if it will apply to the ND555, but, FWIW, the CD555 had the strangest run-in of any Naim item that I've experienced; unusually, it sounded surprisingly good 'out of the box', with some 'icing on the cake' improvement over the first hour or two, then it seemed to take a significant dive the following day, only to take some weeks (with some ups and downs) to come back to where it started from. Interestingly, some time later, I found a review of the CD555 by Malcom Steward, who recounted a similar tale, so perhaps it wasn't just my imagination after all...

TK421 posted:

Bert, excellent news on your ND555.

Have you listened to The Wheel by Sohn ?

I have played it regularly ever since you mentioned it in your Munich thread.

ATB,

Mike

Yes that was one the first to check if I could imitate the show experience. It sounded marvelous while the machine was not warmed up yet.

Bert Schurink posted:
French Rooster posted:
Bert Schurink posted:

Notified two small flaws which might not even ND555 related. When pausing the play will sometimes with a longer pause not resume or just resume for 5 seconds and then drop out. Perhaps it’s also related to the option stay connected in the app which is not on in my case.

The other one I just saw when posting that I had to restart the app on my iPad to see the bit depth reflected.

send it to me, i will see where is the problem .....  

I thought a split of a split second about and have to decline.....

the next time i will use Naim Specialist avatar.....   Finally it is certainly better not to taste the nd555 audio nirvana, because the return to the nds must be hard after.   

I will certainly have to wait one year to be able to buy it, but the waiting will be more cool if i don’t listen to the beast.

How about tidal vs nas?

i am expecting same kind of sound performance in tidal this time

enjoy it Bert! İ will wait till i hear NDX2 then maybe if i go for nd555 i may use it with same pS555 of the cd player for a while, 6 month of cd 6 month of streaming

 i wonder if it is not better to upgrade the nds with an outboard dac than selling the nds to buy an nd555?    nds with dave digital out must be also a terrific combo.    I don’t know yet what i will do in the future.

With 10 k i can also upgrade my speakers and some cables and power cords.   Anyway it will be a more difficult  decision for me.   Is it a good thing to have a 25k source like the nd555 with 10 k pre, 9 k amp and 7 k speakers ?    It seems a little bit unbalanced.  i don’t know.

Well my impressions will have to wait.

ND555 arrived this afternoon, installed with my 555ps, cables in place and dressed, power supply turned on and showing a glowing logo but nothing on the ND555. The unit was returned to the shop and connected to their ps and powered up OK so it’s my ps which is 10 years old and was a shop demo unit until I bought it 6 yeasr ago. It was last used with my CDX2 2 years ago. Looks like it will need DRing before I’d planned.

BUMMER.

Emre posted:

How about tidal vs nas?

i am expecting same kind of sound performance in tidal this time

enjoy it Bert! İ will wait till i hear NDX2 then maybe if i go for nd555 i may use it with same pS555 of the cd player for a while, 6 month of cd 6 month of streaming

Haven’t done the comparison, but expect as before that the Music coming from my Melco will win.

French Rooster posted:

 i wonder if it is not better to upgrade the nds with an outboard dac than selling the nds to buy an nd555?    nds with dave digital out must be also a terrific combo.    I don’t know yet what i will do in the future.

With 10 k i can also upgrade my speakers and some cables and power cords.   Anyway it will be a more difficult  decision for me.   Is it a good thing to have a 25k source like the nd555 with 10 k pre, 9 k amp and 7 k speakers ?    It seems a little bit unbalanced.  i don’t know.

Just let your ears and budget a ailable decide...

yeti42 posted:

Well my impressions will have to wait.

ND555 arrived this afternoon, installed with my 555ps, cables in place and dressed, power supply turned on and showing a glowing logo but nothing on the ND555. The unit was returned to the shop and connected to their ps and powered up OK so it’s my ps which is 10 years old and was a shop demo unit until I bought it 6 yeasr ago. It was last used with my CDX2 2 years ago. Looks like it will need DRing before I’d planned.

BUMMER.

Sorry to hear, I assume you where waiting with great anticipation.

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