ND555 Impressions

nbpf posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nbpf posted:

The ND555 product specifications in https://www.naimaudio.com/site...0Paper%20Final_0.pdf report, among others:

...

UPnP Server | Yes local USB content

...

How is this to be interpreted? Does it mean that the ND555 runs a UPnP server on the contents of USB drives? Which server? This would be an interesting novelty because, to the best of my knowledge, Naim streamers can so far replay files from a local USB drive but they do not make these files available to control applications and to networked renderers via a UPnP server.

It does what it says on the tin. Naim's server runs on the new streamers, and serves music files from USB attached storage by UPnP. 

In this case the new streamers are also UPnP servers and one does not need any Core or NAS to feed them. Why are then people here discussing the impacts of ethernet cables, switches, servers, direct vs. indirect connections, etc.on the ND555?

As far as I can see, the Nova can’t act as a client to its own UPNP server. If you put a USB stick in the slot, then you play directly from the stick.

David Hendon posted:
nbpf posted:
David Hendon posted:
nbpf posted:

The ND555 product specifications in https://www.naimaudio.com/site...0Paper%20Final_0.pdf report, among others:

...

UPnP Server | Yes local USB content

...

How is this to be interpreted? Does it mean that the ND555 runs a UPnP server on the contents of USB drives? Which server? This would be an interesting novelty because, to the best of my knowledge, Naim streamers can so far replay files from a local USB drive but they do not make these files available to control applications and to networked renderers via a UPnP server.

I guess you look at what Nova does and that is the functionality of the new platform...

best

David

I do not know anything about the Nova, just stumbled upon the white paper about the ND555. Does the Nova run a UPnP server on the contents of USB drives? Is this server the same as the one of the Naim Core or is it is a third party server? Thanks, nbpf

 I suspect that is yes, no and no.

best

David

Thanks David!It appears that we have a mystery. Time will tell. Or perhaps not. Funny how easy it is to sell something without saying what that something actually is! Best, nbpf    

dave marshall posted:
rjstaines posted:
dave marshall posted:

 

(...and the answer to the question "Why didn't you take it home then?"  is the same reason you're hanging back... the certainty that returning it would be nigh on impossible    )

Very true, Roger ..................... though I'm also thinking about binning my HDX in favour of a Core, so there's some sums to be worked out yet ................ hopefully Geoff will prove to be as constructive in his thinking as he has been in the past, and I'll be able to join the ND555 happy campers club.

(He obviously was able to come up with something suitable in your case, as there seemed to be little hesitation on your part in swapping out your NDS).

For me, the 'something he came up with', Dave, was that weekend of NDS vs ND555 demos with Jason.  It was my 552 he'd borrowed so I got to hear two demo sessions, the last on the Sunday when I went to retrieve my preamp... so an extended listen.  I't doesn't take long listening to this new streamer to realise you need one...  possible even more than you need your marriage to continue peacefully. 

BTW, I borrowed the Core for a week... and sent it back.  The software running on it was, in my humble opinion,  crap.   I'm guessing in a couple of years they (Naim) will have gotten the functionality somewhere close to that on the HDX in terms of its ability to categorise your music collection ( see my comments a while back on the Core where everyone was saying how wonderful it is, and I totally disagreed).  But for me, now, by putting ALL your music, no matter the source or format, together, it removes the ability to see / play, for example, all my Hi-res or just my CDs or my MP3's etc etc.  But if you do chase one down, I suggest you have a play with it before committing, especially if you have a mix of formats and want to be able to see them separately, not just all in one large group 'all my music' together.

Eoink posted:
nbpf posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nbpf posted:

The ND555 product specifications in https://www.naimaudio.com/site...0Paper%20Final_0.pdf report, among others:

...

UPnP Server | Yes local USB content

...

How is this to be interpreted? Does it mean that the ND555 runs a UPnP server on the contents of USB drives? Which server? This would be an interesting novelty because, to the best of my knowledge, Naim streamers can so far replay files from a local USB drive but they do not make these files available to control applications and to networked renderers via a UPnP server.

It does what it says on the tin. Naim's server runs on the new streamers, and serves music files from USB attached storage by UPnP. 

In this case the new streamers are also UPnP servers and one does not need any Core or NAS to feed them. Why are then people here discussing the impacts of ethernet cables, switches, servers, direct vs. indirect connections, etc.on the ND555?

As far as I can see, the Nova can’t act as a client to its own UPNP server. If you put a USB stick in the slot, then you play directly from the stick.

It can if you enable server mode in the settings menu. 

rjstaines posted:
dave marshall posted:
rjstaines posted:
dave marshall posted:

 

(...and the answer to the question "Why didn't you take it home then?"  is the same reason you're hanging back... the certainty that returning it would be nigh on impossible    )

Very true, Roger ..................... though I'm also thinking about binning my HDX in favour of a Core, so there's some sums to be worked out yet ................ hopefully Geoff will prove to be as constructive in his thinking as he has been in the past, and I'll be able to join the ND555 happy campers club.

(He obviously was able to come up with something suitable in your case, as there seemed to be little hesitation on your part in swapping out your NDS).

For me, the 'something he came up with', Dave, was that weekend of NDS vs ND555 demos with Jason.  It was my 552 he'd borrowed so I got to hear two demo sessions, the last on the Sunday when I went to retrieve my preamp... so an extended listen.  I't doesn't take long listening to this new streamer to realise you need one...  possible even more than you need your marriage to continue peacefully. 

BTW, I borrowed the Core for a week... and sent it back.  The software running on it was, in my humble opinion,  crap.   I'm guessing in a couple of years they (Naim) will have gotten the functionality somewhere close to that on the HDX in terms of its ability to categorise your music collection ( see my comments a while back on the Core where everyone was saying how wonderful it is, and I totally disagreed).  But for me, now, by putting ALL your music, no matter the source or format, together, it removes the ability to see / play, for example, all my Hi-res or just my CDs or my MP3's etc etc.  But if you do chase one down, I suggest you have a play with it before committing, especially if you have a mix of formats and want to be able to see them separately, not just all in one large group 'all my music' together.

They did some firmware updates to the core that has helped . 

ChrisSU posted:
Eoink posted:
nbpf posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nbpf posted:

 

 

In this case the new streamers are also UPnP servers and one does not need any Core or NAS to feed them. Why are then people here discussing the impacts of ethernet cables, switches, servers, direct vs. indirect connections, etc.on the ND555?

As far as I can see, the Nova can’t act as a client to its own UPNP server. If you put a USB stick in the slot, then you play directly from the stick.

It can if you enable server mode in the settings menu. 

That enables the UPNP server, my NDX and Qbs then see the Upstairs Lounge server (I.e. the Nova). The Nova itself shows the NASes and Local Music, just as it does with UPNP server off. That made me think it was just reading the storage directly, not presenting it as UPNP and streaming from that. But I can’t find anything in the documentation that makes it clear, so am probably wrong.

I can see and play all the music on my Core,and attached USB external drive on my N272,and my laptop.Whetherbor not I am streaming,rendering,serving,who knows.

David H

If you are reading this thread,remember a while back,I could not find the downloads folder on my laptop (for the Core),well today it is there for some reason.The only thing I can think of that  changed is...we had a power outage last week,so everything was off for an hour.This might of reset everything,and suddenly all is well.I was able to transfer files to the downloads folder today on the laptop,and they are appearing in the App.Before,I had to remove the External drive to transfer,if you remember.The fun never stops.

I'm here - just been demoing the top Melco (SSD) vs the next one down (Normal Drives).

Got Minim Server going and did Twonky vs Minim too.

In short - differences and preferences rather than the 'all better or worse' that many may want as definitive answers. This is all personal subjective anyway.

In my system it is going down to what dives the most open dynamic rendering with best bass quality - that appears to be middle Melco and Twonky Server for me.

The SSD Melso does do some things a lot better and if I get it to equal the next one down in Bass quality then I'd like a lot of what it does - more refined in HF and aspects of mid-band. But for raw unrestrained energy and bass resolution I'm presently preferring the middle Melco model - and since it is a lot less expensive that also helps, as I want the top one to do all the middle one does and then add its extra qualities. To be fair in many systems you may not really hear it the same.

Same with the Minim Server - I like how it handles mid-band but it sounds a bit flat compared to Twonky and the latter has obviously better deep bass that is hard to give-up.

So I'm continuing along my path and slowing getting to a focus that works for me - I think.

The Melco solution does work very well - once you use a rubbish cheap Ethernet with it!

DB.

 

 

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

By the way - I really enjoy the thread as there are some great insights.

rjstaines posted:
ken c posted:

anymore ND555 'impressions'? please... 

enjoy

ken

ND555 deliveries had been compromised by the non-availability of the burndies, I had heard,  so that would have reduced the number of folk able to report their impressions of the streamer in their own systems.   It seems, thank goodness, that deliveries have restarted,  there being one sitting happily in my dealer's this afternoon.  "It's for another customer"... I was let down gently and given a cup of coffee and a biscuit to cheer me up   

aah… makes sense rjstaines...

enjoy

ken

 

Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

I love my NDS/555DR UnitiCore combo and I use a Chord Indigo Aray ethernet cable . Sounds excellent into Kef Blade twos .  Not sure you should reject streaming based a few posts . 

 

Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong...

This is the point I begin with and began with. There is a reason until now I have not had a streaming system - but now I'm going there and the only reason - for me - is increase in quality of music replay.

There were many other great reasons for most of my friends to go streaming years ago, but I stayed with the CD555 and CDs, as all my experiments with high bit-rate were at best mixed and mostly disappointing, so there was no draw to get a new format. What was done in Mastering and before that was orders of magnitude more critical than the final format applied for release of the file.
Mastering has generally nose-dived in recent years and new high bit-rate releases use this poor process so you get to hear in even more detain how bad it was - older CD format disks were 99% of time better if not more.

So why now?

Well the product is now matured enough that I'm hearing I can get better from my disks - but I need to get the solution all nailed-down for me. IMO the Dealer will eventually be doing this and Manufacturers don't want to talk about possible problems as it does not help sales.

Things can get solved, once there is awareness that there are things that can be solved. The solution in the end I think will turn-out not to require another big expensive box but a cheap commercial extra router suitable programmed to give a bit more isolation for the HiFi net. People seem happy to have a quiet mains for the HiFi but a quiet network... not a lot of thought so far.

Turning other digital gizmos off while playing music also does about the same job, so that is easy.

DB.

I also tried routing the Melco via the Cisco switch - and even for a while tried both the normal and SSD Melco storage drives via a router toward the ND555. All worked fine - except added the network 'wibble' noise atop the music - a sort of bumpy-modulation compared to the direct output from Melco to ND555.

I think someone asked, so there is what I prefer the Melco in the loop in this particular system set-up. Not to say there are not better ways - I always hope there are!

Present system seems stable and working well. I have no internet until (hopefully) next week - and my Dealer kindly proposed I have a second home-demo follow-up with everything working - download album artworks etc.

Yes to that! But in meantime it returns on to another lucky home demo customer tomorrow. I return to my trusty CD555 for a few days and that will also be interesting.

DB.

musicfan51 posted:
Darke Bear posted:

Yes - it has to or it won't work!

Naim could have you buy them separately. Just making sure there are no hidden costs !  

If I decide to trade-in my CD555 (still a decision ahead) then I'll probably retain the old burned-in leads as I'm using these now and they sound great and donate the new ND555 ones onward with the CD555. Unless of course I try them and they are better!

Yes you get all needed leads to make the ND555 or CD555 work.

DB.

Darke Bear posted:
musicfan51 posted:
Darke Bear posted:

Yes - it has to or it won't work!

Naim could have you buy them separately. Just making sure there are no hidden costs !  

If I decide to trade-in my CD555 (still a decision ahead) then I'll probably retain the old burned-in leads as I'm using these now and they sound great and donate the new ND555 ones onward with the CD555. Unless of course I try them and they are better!

Yes you get all needed leads to make the ND555 or CD555 work.

DB.

What are you using for interconnects between ND555 to your Preamp ? 

Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

My music replay (server, ethernet, etc etc) is guaranteed every time. I suspect that for every one person with issues there are 10 you never hear from because things work just right.

Bart posted:
Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

My music replay (server, ethernet, etc etc) is guaranteed every time. I suspect that for every one person with issues there are 10 you never hear from because things work just right.

I think you r right 

Bart posted:
Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

My music replay (server, ethernet, etc etc) is guaranteed every time. I suspect that for every one person with issues there are 10 you never hear from because things work just right.

I agree, and most streamer talk on here is about tweaking the final .1% as opposed to basic core function. Not dissimilar to tuners with type of aerial download coax, coax routing, aerial type, balans etc... and some will be fine with wet string... don’t get me started on vinyl.. where if one is susceptible one can get obsessed with cartridges, tracking weights, orientation, motor regulation, vinyl supports etc... then there is cassette , and with CD, the treatment of CD, type of CD finish, CD player support etc...but admittedly the choice of tweaks on CD is probably the least of the bunch.

Darke Bear posted:

I'm here - just been demoing the top Melco (SSD) vs the next one down (Normal Drives).

Got Minim Server going and did Twonky vs Minim too.

In short - differences and preferences rather than the 'all better or worse' that many may want as definitive answers. This is all personal subjective anyway.

In my system it is going down to what dives the most open dynamic rendering with best bass quality - that appears to be middle Melco and Twonky Server for me.

The SSD Melso does do some things a lot better and if I get it to equal the next one down in Bass quality then I'd like a lot of what it does - more refined in HF and aspects of mid-band. But for raw unrestrained energy and bass resolution I'm presently preferring the middle Melco model - and since it is a lot less expensive that also helps, as I want the top one to do all the middle one does and then add its extra qualities. To be fair in many systems you may not really hear it the same.

Same with the Minim Server - I like how it handles mid-band but it sounds a bit flat compared to Twonky and the latter has obviously better deep bass that is hard to give-up.

So I'm continuing along my path and slowing getting to a focus that works for me - I think.

The Melco solution does work very well - once you use a rubbish cheap Ethernet with it!

DB.

 

 

These things are so system dependent. Much as I didn't want to find the more expensive, SSD Melco better than the HDD model, this definitely wasn't the case in my system. Admittedly, my model, the N1ZA, and the HDD version, have now been superceded. The differences between the two models isn't just down to the HDs - casework, power supply, connections are all improvements in the N1Z in terms of materials and construction.

Interesting what you're finding with Minimerver Vs. the Melco's Twonky Gary. I used the latter for a while before Minimserver became available, then switched because Minimeserver was marginally better. However, since then Melco have issued an update to their PnP, so maybe I should give that a try (it's not a good idea to have both types running at the same time) - if I can be bothered!

As I read of the difficulties and complications folk seem to have with their ethernet-based streaming systems, I'm rather pleased I stuck with the direct, async. USB connection.

I've just had my ND555 installed a few hours ago by my dealer. It replaces a NDS in my system. The 555DR which used to be powering the old NDS remains. The rest of the system is 555DR/500DR/803D3/SuperLumina/Fraims.

I'd like to quantify that the system with the NDS sounded extremely sublime to begin with. I went with the ND555 as it's the natural choice to complement the rest of the system.

The ND555 surprisingly weighs less than the NDS. 

The initial impressions were that the bass goes deep....really deep. Much more so than the NDS and it's much tighter too. The highs sounded more extended and in terms of complex passages, the separation is marginally better at the moment. However, I'm noticing that the presentation is quite bright at the moment and I'm really unable to listen to it extensively for long periods. Hopefully leaving it running will mellow down the treble.

I've some concerns on the ND555 though:
1. Naim seemed to be using electrical tape to secure the transport bolts as an added measure to prevent them from coming loose. This leaves behind very bad glue marks after the tape is removed. My dealer and I had a pretty rough time trying to remove the tape marks with WD40 as the unit is quite heavy. Hopefully Naim will improve this as they go along.
2. I had a semi faulty remote with an "up" button that wasn't clicking fine. Quite unfortunate for a product at this price point.
3. I've no way of turning off the display when no music is playing. i've tried toying around with the display button on the remote, and also disabled the display when playback function in the menu. Nothing seems to help and the LCD display was still showing regardless when the music is stopped. The only way i could get the LCD display to switch off was to put the unit into standby. Could i be missing something? If it's a feature lapse, perhaps Naim could look at including a display off function for the LCD screen in future software release, similar to what NDS had.

Enough ramblings for now. I'll have a further listen tonight and hopefully the brightness/sibilance would've settled down by then.

Eoink posted:
nbpf posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nbpf posted:

The ND555 product specifications in https://www.naimaudio.com/site...0Paper%20Final_0.pdf report, among others:

...

UPnP Server | Yes local USB content

...

How is this to be interpreted? Does it mean that the ND555 runs a UPnP server on the contents of USB drives? Which server? This would be an interesting novelty because, to the best of my knowledge, Naim streamers can so far replay files from a local USB drive but they do not make these files available to control applications and to networked renderers via a UPnP server.

It does what it says on the tin. Naim's server runs on the new streamers, and serves music files from USB attached storage by UPnP. 

In this case the new streamers are also UPnP servers and one does not need any Core or NAS to feed them. Why are then people here discussing the impacts of ethernet cables, switches, servers, direct vs. indirect connections, etc.on the ND555?

As far as I can see, the Nova can’t act as a client to its own UPNP server. If you put a USB stick in the slot, then you play directly from the stick.

Can other UPnP renderes see the Nova's UPnP server? It would be a bit strange if the Nova could act as a UPnP server for other UPnP renderers but not for itself, wouldn't it?

Alan Willby posted:

The direction this thread has taken convinces me more than ever that I will never have a streamer as my primary source - just too many things to go wrong (network, broadband, switches, router, software glitches, scrambled metadata, etc.), too many variables (quality of previous list, hard wire or wi-if, server, NAS, etc.) and too many things to worry about (interference, wife cannot watch the TV when the hi fi is on, cannot boil a kettle for a cuppa, the street lights have come on, it’s a full Moon, etc.) - and that’s all on top of all the other stuff we all like to fret about. Give me CD, Vinyl and Radio any day. Decide what you fancy listening to, pop it on, sit back and enjoy. Simples. If it involves even ten minutes of messing around with networks, re-booting, etc then it is ten minutes too long. Not against streaming - I have a basic set up and enjoy listening to Radio Paradise (FLAC via Squeezebox - very good too), BBC3 in HD (also excellent - but no better than my tuner) and investigating artist’s catalogues with Deezer - but then I buy the CD or Vinyl. Instant enjoyment guaranteed every time.

A very sensible comment Alan; possibly the most sensible in the whole of this thread.

Thing is, though, I think you'll find you're 'swimming upstream'...  when faced with the inevitable, best to lay back, close your eyes and enjoy it.

Terrysmi posted:

But it is limited to 20,000 tracks i believe ?

I don’t think Naim quote an absolute limit, although they do say that it may be slow to navigate large libraries. Unlike the old streamers, they do say that USB hard drives can be used, rather than just USB sticks and iOS devices. 

Michael_B. posted:

I’d be interested to hear people’s experiences and conclusions on Melco vs. Core purely on sound quality...

I can’t comment on the Melco, but went from ripping and streaming on an iMac using iTunes and Playback (uPnP) to a Core. Th Core has better SQ, more expansive and refined but not light and day. I also went from a UC2/NAP100 to a Nova and that was a big step in SQ compared to the Core. Having said that, the Core is much more reliable (no drop outs), with a vastly better Ui, so I’m well pleased.

ChrisSU posted:

Yes, it’s UPnP, so non-Naim streamers can see and use it. 

Let me try to understand: networked streamers and players see the contents of USB drives attached to Nova/ND555 through a UPnP server but the devices themselves only see a file list? That would be weird!

The other way round: if Nova/ND555 support controlling the replay of contents of attached USB drives via the Naim app, what is the point of feeding these devices via Cores, Melcos, NASes, etc.? It would be much easier, less expensive and possibly better sound-quality wise to just replay from attached drives! 

Laxton posted:

I've just had my ND555 installed a few hours ago by my dealer. It replaces a NDS in my system. The 555DR which used to be powering the old NDS remains. The rest of the system is 555DR/500DR/803D3/SuperLumina/Fraims.

I'd like to quantify that the system with the NDS sounded extremely sublime to begin with. I went with the ND555 as it's the natural choice to complement the rest of the system.

The ND555 surprisingly weighs less than the NDS. 

The initial impressions were that the bass goes deep....really deep. Much more so than the NDS and it's much tighter too. The highs sounded more extended and in terms of complex passages, the separation is marginally better at the moment. However, I'm noticing that the presentation is quite bright at the moment and I'm really unable to listen to it extensively for long periods. Hopefully leaving it running will mellow down the treble.

I've some concerns on the ND555 though:
1. Naim seemed to be using electrical tape to secure the transport bolts as an added measure to prevent them from coming loose. This leaves behind very bad glue marks after the tape is removed. My dealer and I had a pretty rough time trying to remove the tape marks with WD40 as the unit is quite heavy. Hopefully Naim will improve this as they go along.
2. I had a semi faulty remote with an "up" button that wasn't clicking fine. Quite unfortunate for a product at this price point.
3. I've no way of turning off the display when no music is playing. i've tried toying around with the display button on the remote, and also disabled the display when playback function in the menu. Nothing seems to help and the LCD display was still showing regardless when the music is stopped. The only way i could get the LCD display to switch off was to put the unit into standby. Could i be missing something? If it's a feature lapse, perhaps Naim could look at including a display off function for the LCD screen in future software release, similar to what NDS had.

Enough ramblings for now. I'll have a further listen tonight and hopefully the brightness/sibilance would've settled down by then.

Congratulations. And two comments...

1. The bright thing will settle in, so no worries.

2. The display can be switched off by scrolling via the remote to option and select the display off, however in order to have it working you need to switch power on and off first, after that it works.

nbpf posted:
ChrisSU posted:

Yes, it’s UPnP, so non-Naim streamers can see and use it. 

Let me try to understand: networked streamers and players see the contents of USB drives attached to Nova/ND555 through a UPnP server but the devices themselves only see a file list? That would be weird!

The other way round: if Nova/ND555 support controlling the replay of contents of attached USB drives via the Naim app, what is the point of feeding these devices via Cores, Melcos, NASes, etc.? It would be much easier, less expensive and possibly better sound-quality wise to just replay from attached drives! 

The devices themselves do see the contents of a USB drive via UPnP, just as they would if stored on a NAS. Eoink seems to have a problem getting this to work, but it works fine for me. 

nbpf posted:
ChrisSU posted:

Yes, it’s UPnP, so non-Naim streamers can see and use it. 

Let me try to understand: networked streamers and players see the contents of USB drives attached to Nova/ND555 through a UPnP server but the devices themselves only see a file list? That would be weird!

The other way round: if Nova/ND555 support controlling the replay of contents of attached USB drives via the Naim app, what is the point of feeding these devices via Cores, Melcos, NASes, etc.? It would be much easier, less expensive and possibly better sound-quality wise to just replay from attached drives! 

This strikes me as an essentially pointless discussion, besides being off-topic here.

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David

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