NDX vs ND5XS2

So being told by Naim customer support no 272 replacement is in the pipeline, I decided to upgrade mine to a 282 and a dedicated streamer, therefore my problem:

Should I go for an (sh)NDX or ND5XS2? Being plagued in the past with streaming issues, I'm kind of leaning towards the newer platform but I don't want to skimp on the SQ. Anyone auditioned these two side by side? They should be similar in performance, right? Could I even hope for better results from the ND5XS2?

 

Thank you kindly.

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Original Post

Dan, bear in mind that Naim will never talk about any upcoming or planned new products.  If anyone at Naim is asked whether something specific is coming, they will deny. 

I think the ND5xs2 could be rather interesting and well worth investigation, particularly when partnered with a s/h Naim DAC...

 

I don't think the ND5XS2 is available to dealers yet.

 

The N272 replacement has been mootted for years … seems logical to update to their new streaming platform but I can't see them compromising their pre-amp line by significantly updating this part … could be a long wait too!

 

I am interested in the NDX-2 and NDX5XS2 comparison since \I think this may be my next upgrade in the coming years.

 

Allan

 

Nagoya posted:

Does anyone have an inkling of when the ND5 XS 2 will be available?

And Richard, I'm afraid I don't understand why it would be good with a Naim DAC. Could you say a little more, please? Thanks!

I've compared my ND5XS to ND5XS/nDAC/XPS and it is significantly better in pretty much every respect.  The ND5XS is still good though and had I not owned an nDAC I would be really happy with it.

I'd expect the ND5XS2 to be much better but I think Richard would expect the adition of the nDAC to be better still.

Jason (from Naim) reckoned the NDX2 could better my 3 box set up....

Nagoya, I like the Naim DAC very much and feel it performs superbly - I'm on my second! It takes key elements from the very top of the Naim source tree, such as the PCM1704 DAC chips and discrete filter and output stages. The latter in particular I think lends it something that separates the best Naim sources from the rest.  Which means at the current s/h prices it's a bit of a bargain. All it needs is a source with a good quality s/pdif output. 

However, reading Guinless' posts above, if Jason reckons the NDX2 could better ND5xs/DAC/XPS, then I would definitely take notice...

"Jason" here is Jason Gould; he is part of Naim's UK sales team and also a global brand ambassador for the company. He is fantastic at setting up Naim systems and knows as well as any what makes Naim special, and he knows when things are off. If he says something sounds good (or not sot so good) then I would certainly take note.

State of emergency!!! My dealer got back to me with an offer of a year old used ndx 1 with bluetooth feature. The nd5 xs 2 have not reach my shore. It will be in next 2 weeks.  Should i just grab the ndx1 while it is still available or wait for nd5 xs2? Am afraid in 2 weeks the ndx1 be gone. Anyway my streaming source will be Tidal. I dont have an NAS. Not sure if tidal offer flac file up to 32bits 364khz?? Hope someone naim senior can advise. 

e24djenggos posted:

State of emergency!!! My dealer got back to me with an offer of a year old used ndx 1 with bluetooth feature. The nd5 xs 2 have not reach my shore. It will be in next 2 weeks.  Should i just grab the ndx1 while it is still available or wait for nd5 xs2? Am afraid in 2 weeks the ndx1 be gone. Anyway my streaming source will be Tidal. I dont have an NAS. Not sure if tidal offer flac file up to 32bits 364khz?? Hope someone naim senior can advise. 

You may find that Tidal is more reliable on the new streamers due to their larger buffer, as this has been a problem for some (but not all) users of the old range of streamers. As for sound quality, until the ND5XS2 is available, we can only guess.

Tidal streams are 16/44. If you have questions for Naim, you should contact them directly, this is primarily a discussion forum, not a support forum.

Dan.S posted:

Should I go for an (sh)NDX or ND5XS2? Being plagued in the past with streaming issues, I'm kind of leaning towards the newer platform but I don't want to skimp on the SQ. An

Dan

I have an NDX (2014) which I use with 282/HCDR which I really like,  and therefore at the moment in no rush to go and spend ££££ on NDX2 - I really like the deal, focus and music which the NDX has, I have heard the NDX2 and ND555 on demo's - and they are an uplift on current models but not night and day

for me the choice is upgrade to NDX2 or older NDS - I would like to add a 555 PSU to my NDX soon anyway before I upgrade streamer and now something else to think about from a Glasgow company!

only true test is demo ND5XS when with dealers, but I really like the NDX as is

You need to ask yourself whether the new streaming platform brings anything to the table you actually want to use. If you will use a streamer entirely for upnp from a NAS with the odd bit of internet radio, then the new platform isn't going offer anything that an NDX cannot do perfectly well already.

Also bear in mind, the NDX has power supply upgrade options, wheras the ne ND5XS2 doesn't. 

If your streaming needs are more varied, the new platform may have a lot to offer you. 

However I do think Feeling Zen you are missing the point.. surely it’s all about SQ... the ND5XS2 has taken a lot of the learning from the legacy streamers to supposedly improve this significantly for the later streamers such as the ND555 and ND5XS2.

Therefore I would audition carefully the options. My view is the NDX is a great streamer transport work horse... but it’s DAC section and audio output is not its strength... I disable mine... I’d be surprised if the ND5XS2 audio output did not sound better than the NDX.

You are 100% correct Simon. But few have yet been able to demo them together and until that time, sound quality is a moot point.

Ideally people wait a bit so the answer can be more clearly provided in a "buy X because the consensus is that it sounds better" format. We're not there yet.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Therefore I would audition carefully the options. My view is the NDX is a great streamer transport work horse... but it’s DAC section and audio output is not its strength... I disable mine... I’d be surprised if the ND5XS2 audio output did not sound better than the NDX.

Hi Simon,

please excuse my lack of knowledge on this subject but does the ND5 XS 2 really have a better quality DAC & audio section than the dis-continued NDX?  Would the PSU in the NDX be far superior that it may over ride the XS2's superior processing power? just curious..

The reason why i'm asking this is because I heard the ND5 XS 2 yesterday at my dealer and to say I was impressed with it's sound is an understatement (despite what others have said here). However, just as I was leaving I spotted a ex-Dem NDX for £100 more on a shelf, my dealer did offer to do a side by side comparison but I was so pushed for time, I had to decline. He did however say that that NDX was something of a great bargain being at almost of the ND5 XS 2's price level.

He did for me however chuck a curve ball in...I haven't stopped thinking about it..ND5 XS 2 or NDX? new or old?

My heart keeps telling me 'new' but....

Stephen,

I would suggest you arrange a demo of both, make up your mind and just go for whichever one sounds better to you. I haven't heard either, but I am pretty sure they will both be very good.

Then, and this is the important bit - unless you encounter any problems with your set-up that require some help from fellow forum members, I would suggest that you stay away from the 'Streaming' section of this forum for a bit (at least from any posts that make reference to a comparison between the ND5 XS2 and NDX). There will always be someone who posts to say that the NDX completely 'blows away' the ND5 XS2 or vice versa, when in reality the differences are likely to be much more subtle, and this just may begin to sow doubt in your mind about your own choice. Just get your device up and running, and then spend a couple of months or so getting used to and just enjoying your streamer before getting fully back into the streaming forum fold.

Whichever device you purchase will be very good indeed, and I am sure you will be very happy with it.

Good luck!  

      

hungryhalibut posted:

If you’ve not already bought the 282, I’d hang on a while. What the person on the phone says and the reality are often not the same. 

I'm still contemplating my options. Going for the ND5XS2 would leave my 272 PS collecting dust, while reaching for NDX2 would be a stretch for me at the moment. 

Dan.S posted:
hungryhalibut posted:

If you’ve not already bought the 282, I’d hang on a while. What the person on the phone says and the reality are often not the same. 

I'm still contemplating my options. Going for the ND5XS2 would leave my 272 PS collecting dust, while reaching for NDX2 would be a stretch for me at the moment. 

ND5XS2 is better than 272 w/PS or am did I read that all wrong?

I personally found that the ND5 XS2 had quite a different overall 'sonic presentation' to that of the 272 (which is closer to the sound of the older streamers); however the NDX 2 and ND555 were closer in sonic presentation to the 272, but were also delivering better SQ in almost all respects (NDX2) and in absolutely all respects (ND555) .

However we all listen in slightly different ways, so YMMV.  You need to audition them and compare for yourself.

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