New Turntables - Bristol Show

Rather disappointing release, when the Rega promotional info (Bristol Show) referred to a “brand new addition to the range” .... considering that this is a 500 unit limited edition, I can’t see this as an ‘addition to the range’ because once they’ve all sold, there will no longer be an ‘addition to the range’!

I was hoping for something above the RP10 or between the 8 and 10

Not a huge issue but just disappointed following the way it was promoted in the run up to the Bristol Show .... bit of an anticlimax really.

I guess that’s media for you .... all about spin 

Mr Frog posted:

Rather disappointing release, when the Rega promotional info (Bristol Show) referred to a “brand new addition to the range” .... considering that this is a 500 unit limited edition, I can’t see this as an ‘addition to the range’ because once they’ve all sold, there will no longer be an ‘addition to the range’!

I was hoping for something above the RP10 or between the 8 and 10

Not a huge issue but just disappointed following the way it was promoted in the run up to the Bristol Show .... bit of an anticlimax really.

I guess that’s media for you .... all about spin 

Always a difficult one isn't it? The PR and marketing people mess with your hopes but then what are you going to do, take your business esewhere? And in the process, cut off your nose to spite your face.

Suzy Wong posted:

One or two TTs on demo at Bristol. All pretty much the same (“variations on a theme”) apart from Mitchell’s Orbe.....

In fact, the whole show was distinctly underwhelming.....(Naim included, sadly).

I tend to agree in the show, including Naim, being underwhelming.

The exception being Bowers & Wilkins who held a really good dem.

Suzy Wong posted:

One or two TTs on demo at Bristol. All pretty much the same (“variations on a theme”) apart from Mitchell’s Orbe.....

In fact, the whole show was distinctly underwhelming.....(Naim included, sadly).

The Naim demo in the cellar of doom was awful. Entirely down to the dreadful Focul loudspeakers - although there was one poor chap on the front row who nearly rocked his head off.  Fortunately Kudos saved day as far as Naim is concerned by demo-ing the new 505s with the same Naim streamer/amp/thingie. Fab.

Mitchell demo was disappointing.

Chord dem was superb, reassuring and highly enlightening. 

Suzy Wong posted:

One or two TTs on demo at Bristol. All pretty much the same (“variations on a theme”) apart from Mitchell’s Orbe.....

In fact, the whole show was distinctly underwhelming.....(Naim included, sadly).

I am so glad it wasn't just me. In 31 years I have missed about 5. This was the worst ever.

There was hardly a room where people were listening. I went to the Naim room four times to try and find out why people here are so excited by their equipment. Every time the conversation was louder than the music.

I know I have different tastes to most here, for me the best rooms were Audio Note, JBL and Klipsch. Sadly for a resurgence of turntables so many were using show standard vinyl if 30 years ago.

Funk Firm were there but I didn't venture into their room.

Best turntable I heard there today was, surprisingly, the Technics SL-10000R.  A £14k (including arm) direct drive super deck.  They were using an AT ART1000 cart, a Luxman phono stage, their own top of the range electronics (including £20k power amp) and their own concentric driver floorstanders.  What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.

Mr Frog posted:

Rather disappointing release, when the Rega promotional info (Bristol Show) referred to a “brand new addition to the range” .... considering that this is a 500 unit limited edition, I can’t see this as an ‘addition to the range’ because once they’ve all sold, there will no longer be an ‘addition to the range’!

I was hoping for something above the RP10 or between the 8 and 10

Not a huge issue but just disappointed following the way it was promoted in the run up to the Bristol Show .... bit of an anticlimax really.

I guess that’s media for you .... all about spin 

so i guess you will finally take an rp8 with the neo psu ...no?

sunbeamgls posted:

Funk Firm were there but I didn't venture into their room.

Best turntable I heard there today was, surprisingly, the Technics SL-10000R.  A £14k (including arm) direct drive super deck.  They were using an AT ART1000 cart, a Luxman phono stage, their own top of the range electronics (including £20k power amp) and their own concentric driver floorstanders.  What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.

Thanks - I bought a secondhand PT Anniversary many years ago and it worked fine for a few years then the PSU or motor went funny and it didn't spin well.  Wanted to chat to them to see if they could evaluate it for potential repair.  Annoyingly, last time I checked it  I think the sapphire on  the inverted bearing may have shattered which is probably a showstopper :-(

sunbeamgls posted:

Funk Firm were there but I didn't venture into their room.

Best turntable I heard there today was, surprisingly, the Technics SL-10000R.  A £14k (including arm) direct drive super deck.  They were using an AT ART1000 cart, a Luxman phono stage, their own top of the range electronics (including £20k power amp) and their own concentric driver floorstanders.  What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.

Turntable lovers? Well, I guess it takes all sorts...

As for a turntable that makes vinyl not sound like vinyl? Thanks, but no.

Probably

..... I need to do some more listening because a Rega representative told me that the RP8 is still supplied with its original dedicated TT-PSU which is ‘finely tuned’ to that specific deck.

He actually advised AGAINST using the new Neo PSU with the RP8 ... saying that it MAY be detrimental to the sound .... and that the original supplied TT-PSU was what I should be using.

I had thought that the Neo would be far bettter and also it provides the functionality to adjust the speed to a perfect 331/3 rpm ... since I’ve heard that some RP8’s run fast and have speed issues ???????

But based on the Rega representatives advice, the Neo isn’t the answer and I guess he is the expert

 

Alba1320 posted:
sunbeamgls posted:

Funk Firm were there but I didn't venture into their room.

Best turntable I heard there today was, surprisingly, the Technics SL-10000R.  A £14k (including arm) direct drive super deck.  They were using an AT ART1000 cart, a Luxman phono stage, their own top of the range electronics (including £20k power amp) and their own concentric driver floorstanders.  What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.

Turntable lovers? Well, I guess it takes all sorts...

As for a turntable that makes vinyl not sound like vinyl? Thanks, but no.

My point exactly.  That's why I liked it, but suspect those that use a TT as their main source probably won't.

Mr Frog posted:

Probably

..... I need to do some more listening because a Rega representative told me that the RP8 is still supplied with its original dedicated TT-PSU which is ‘finely tuned’ to that specific deck.

He actually advised AGAINST using the new Neo PSU with the RP8 ... saying that it MAY be detrimental to the sound .... and that the original supplied TT-PSU was what I should be using.

I had thought that the Neo would be far bettter and also it provides the functionality to adjust the speed to a perfect 331/3 rpm ... since I’ve heard that some RP8’s run fast and have speed issues ???????

But based on the Rega representatives advice, the Neo isn’t the answer and I guess he is the expert

 

i don’t understand because on the website, the neo psu is presented as working with rp3, rp6 and rp8.  I miss something?   

Alba1320 posted:
sunbeamgls posted:

Funk Firm were there but I didn't venture into their room.

Best turntable I heard there today was, surprisingly, the Technics SL-10000R.  A £14k (including arm) direct drive super deck.  They were using an AT ART1000 cart, a Luxman phono stage, their own top of the range electronics (including £20k power amp) and their own concentric driver floorstanders.  What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.

Turntable lovers? Well, I guess it takes all sorts...

As for a turntable that makes vinyl not sound like vinyl? Thanks, but no.

turntable ‘lovers don’t like perfect timing and stability of music?  curious conception of turntable sound love!

S3 ...... I thought that should be the case - just very odd that the guy from Rega Research gave  a completely different perspective .... though he didn’t confirm that any in-house comparison had actually taken place.

Perhaps the Neo addition to RP8 may take it too close to RP10 and Rega aren’t keen to promote that as an option... who knows!

Glad yours is sounding spot on

 

French Rooster posted:
Alba1320 posted:
sunbeamgls posted:

Funk Firm were there but I didn't venture into their room.

Best turntable I heard there today was, surprisingly, the Technics SL-10000R.  A £14k (including arm) direct drive super deck.  They were using an AT ART1000 cart, a Luxman phono stage, their own top of the range electronics (including £20k power amp) and their own concentric driver floorstanders.  What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.

Turntable lovers? Well, I guess it takes all sorts...

As for a turntable that makes vinyl not sound like vinyl? Thanks, but no.

turntable ‘lovers don’t like perfect timing and stability of music?  curious conception of turntable sound love!

Aw, and I thought it was just a gentle bit of leg pulling, maybe too gentle to be obvious. Possibly. Maybe. Probably.

Alley Cat posted:
 
Thanks - I bought a secondhand PT Anniversary many years ago and it worked fine for a few years then the PSU or motor went funny and it didn't spin well.  Wanted to chat to them to see if they could evaluate it for potential repair.  Annoyingly, last time I checked it  I think the sapphire on  the inverted bearing may have shattered which is probably a showstopper :-(

I bought a new bearing from FF some years ago but there is a company called True Point bearings in the UK that repair PT bearing shafts with a new jewel.

I think FF can do a new upgraded PSU for the Anniversary.

Definetily worth fixing. I regret selling mine...

Dave J posted:

 

The Naim demo in the cellar of doom was awful. Entirely down to the dreadful Focul loudspeakers - although there was one poor chap on the front row who nearly rocked his head off.  Fortunately Kudos saved day as far as Naim is concerned by demo-ing the new 505s with the same Naim streamer/amp/thingie. Fab.

 

Entirely in line with my thoughts Dave. Kudos room showed Nova in a totally different light. Nothing wrong with the electronics..

fordy posted:
Alley Cat posted:
 
Thanks - I bought a secondhand PT Anniversary many years ago and it worked fine for a few years then the PSU or motor went funny and it didn't spin well.  Wanted to chat to them to see if they could evaluate it for potential repair.  Annoyingly, last time I checked it  I think the sapphire on  the inverted bearing may have shattered which is probably a showstopper :-(

I bought a new bearing from FF some years ago but there is a company called True Point bearings in the UK that repair PT bearing shafts with a new jewel.

I think FF can do a new upgraded PSU for the Anniversary.

Definetily worth fixing. I regret selling mine...

Thansk fordy - I really appreciate the info, when funds allow I must look into this.

kevin J Carden posted:
Dave J posted:

 

The Naim demo in the cellar of doom was awful. Entirely down to the dreadful Focul loudspeakers - although there was one poor chap on the front row who nearly rocked his head off.  Fortunately Kudos saved day as far as Naim is concerned by demo-ing the new 505s with the same Naim streamer/amp/thingie. Fab.

 

Entirely in line with my thoughts Dave. Kudos room showed Nova in a totally different light. Nothing wrong with the electronics..

Yes, I was rather taken by the Nova/505 combo. It didn’t have the scale or detail of a bigger Naim-based system, but it made music and I hung around for a good 20 minutes enjoying what it was doing.

We were possibly there at the same time, shame we didn’t have our tags on as it would have been good to have met up.

I enjoyed this year more than last.  I thought the general standard of sound quality was good.  The music being played was more slanted to my personal taste than last year and Comfortably Numb played on Spender D9s sent shivers down my spine.  My favourite speaker was made by Fyne but at nearly £20k it should be pretty special.

Now for the shameful bit.  I'm a motorcycle/rock music loving sort of feller.  In one of the home cinema demos, a clip of opera was shown.  It looked and sounded really good and I enjoyed it.  There, I'm out of the closet and free.  The demo of Dunkirk was also special.

The Rel room was fun.  I'm not sure if it's really true to the sound musicians make at a live performance and it took a while for my ears to retune to normal sound balance but I was entertained by the experience in general.

sunbeamgls posted:
What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.
 

I'm slightly puzzled by your remark which Im assuming is the result of either "mild trolling" or complete lack of experience of hearing any competent TT from £400 upwards.

 

bluedog posted:
sunbeamgls posted:
What I liked most about this deck was that it didn't sound like vinyl - the timing and stability of the music is stunning.  Which probably means it won't appeal to turntable lovers, maybe. Possibly.
 

I'm slightly puzzled by your remark which Im assuming is the result of either "mild trolling" or complete lack of experience of hearing any competent TT from £400 upwards.

 

I think he's one of those strange individuals who prefers digital to analogue, so likes his vinyl to sound like CD!

 

(And, BTW, people do realise that emoticons are there for a reason, right? )

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