November treat for fans of Kate Bush

I know what you mean, and yes the vinyl was definitely competing with air: vinyl lite!

I remember on the Rainbow Down to Earth album there was one track (can't remember now and am off in the third realm) with a glitch which when I landed an original pressing was there too! Must have been something on the master disks or tape.

Well my Part II Box (CD) has arrived and leaves a most distinct disapointing feeling. Not listened yet,so only commenting on the appearance of the set.

The "Arial" and "50 Words" packaging is exactly the same as the original releases (not the new style as in box I), "Director's Cut" is a 'book' style as it was originally, but with only one disk (as you'd expect with the redone TSW and TRS being in box I).

The big shock though is that "Before The Dawn" is NOT a remaster, but the 2016 version and comes in a matt finish sleeve, unlike the gloss finish of all the rest - this is simply "stock" placed into the box. I feel they could have at least done a glossy run of the sleeve to match the other disks

The 5th Set is a 4 disk set, again in a hardback 'book' format  called "The Other Sides" and does contain some of the extras (including the missing track from The Sensual World), there's nothing much in the way of notes, mostly just credits.

So, for a completist, the music's as good as it always was, but as a "package" it leaves a lot to be desired. I'd recommend buying just the disks you are interested in. For the completist it's a 5/10, for the music it's a 10/10. Disapointing.

 

@TALLGUY

Well that does sound a tad disappointing.

I think I'd pay the full part IV price actually just for Warm and Soothing and December Will be Magic Again (I have the single somewhere).  There are some cracking B sides, not sure about the Hounds of Love re-mixes - I think I have them all on vinyl 12" singles.

 

I rather like 50 Words but you're right, it's a time and a place album, I made a point of listening to it back in March during the big snow and it was rather good, particularly the title track with Stephen Fry. Maybe it'll get another outing this winter!

 

My first Hi Res Kate Bush album. Took me several goes to get past the first few tracks. Kept telling myself "but it's Kate Bush and her music takes a bit of effort". So two years down the track I still haven't really got to know it.

But here in sunny Perth we don't have snow, so maybe I'll set the a/c to frigid and then be convinced.

Must add to my previous comment - if you look hard enough on the KB website you will see that it states "Before The Dawn" will not be a remaster, but the "original". I do still think they should have put it in a glossy sleeve to match the rest of the package(s) though - that's just sloppy cost saving to not do that.

 

I think I'm in for a marathon listening session  with my wife out for the day today

Has anyone listened to the remaster of Aerial yet? Is it true Rolf Harris has been removed and replaced by her son Bertie? Mine is ordered but not yet delivered. Took the free delivery option as I'm not home to take delivery this weekend.

Just wish Before The Dawn was remastered - I hate that recording.

 

Steve O posted:

Has anyone listened to the remaster of Aerial yet? Is it true Rolf Harris has been removed and replaced by her son Bertie? Mine is ordered but not yet delivered. Took the free delivery option as I'm not home to take delivery this weekend.

Just wish Before The Dawn was remastered - I hate that recording.

 

I often wondered if she regretted having him on Aerial.  In some ways, I hope they haven't replaced him, but it could be interesting if she has.

He also played didgeridoo on The Dreaming I believe.

I remain stunned by his actions and criminal convictions.

Steve O posted:

Has anyone listened to the remaster of Aerial yet? Is it true Rolf Harris has been removed and replaced by her son Bertie? Mine is ordered but not yet delivered. Took the free delivery option as I'm not home to take delivery this weekend.

Just wish Before The Dawn was remastered - I hate that recording.

 

He’s certainly been removed from “The Dreaming” though there’s still didgeridoo type noises I think they are from a synth.  I think it’s better without him.

His name isn’t on “Aerial” or “The Dreaming”, but as the credits for “Aerial” don’t list musicians by track I don’t know - I played it yesterday and seem to remember a didgeridoo at some point, but as it’s far from my favourite album wasn’t really listening so it just washed over me (as it always has).

Not sure why I bought this box as I really don’t like “50 Words” either - I think I was hoping time would make “Aerial”  be better than I used to think it was.

TallGuy posted:
Steve O posted:

Has anyone listened to the remaster of Aerial yet? Is it true Rolf Harris has been removed and replaced by her son Bertie? Mine is ordered but not yet delivered. Took the free delivery option as I'm not home to take delivery this weekend.

Just wish Before The Dawn was remastered - I hate that recording.

 

He’s certainly been removed from “The Dreaming” though there’s still didgeridoo type noises I think they are from a synth.  I think it’s better without him.

His name isn’t on “Aerial” or “The Dreaming”, but as the credits for “Aerial” don’t list musicians by track I don’t know - I played it yesterday and seem to remember a didgeridoo at some point, but as it’s far from my favourite album wasn’t really listening so it just washed over me (as it always has).

Not sure why I bought this box as I really don’t like “50 Words” either - I think I was hoping time would make “Aerial”  be better than I used to think it was.

I don;t think he did vocals on The Dreaming, but did vocals for the 'painter' on a couple of Aerial tracks on the second part.

This seems to confirm Bertie now does the Aerial vocals.

http://www.superdeluxeedition....of-her-album-aerial/

Interesting to see that site lists special offers - I clearly missed Amazon's one if it existed.  Don't really fancy spending over £300 for albums I've already got, though my LP12 was sounding so sweet yesterday I've a suspicion the vinyl may better the Qobuz downloads, and oddly those sounded better on Qobuz via Chromecast on iPhone than from the NAS using Naim app which seemed to give much more muddy bass.  Odd.

I assumed you meant his didgeridoo playing !!

I don’t remember hearing his voice when I played Aerial; as I said his name isn’t on the credits anymore - I compared with the original cd release

The only Amazon offer I saw gave about £30 off if if you bought both CD box sets together, which is what I did.

TallGuy posted:

I assumed you meant his didgeridoo playing !!

I don’t remember hearing his voice when I played Aerial; as I said his name isn’t on the credits anymore - I compared with the original cd release

The only Amazon offer I saw gave about £30 off if if you bought both CD box sets together, which is what I did.

Misinterpreted your reply about being removed from The Dreaming.  I've not purchased the latest set of releases yet so can't really comment on Aerial as a download.

Thanks for the Amazon offer info - I don't recall any vinyl ones there though HMV are still doing about £35 off the set of Parts I-IV on vinyl, but I don't feel like forking out > £300 at present!

TallGuy posted:

Must add to my previous comment - if you look hard enough on the KB website you will see that it states "Before The Dawn" will not be a remaster, but the "original". I do still think they should have put it in a glossy sleeve to match the rest of the package(s) though - that's just sloppy cost saving to not do that.

 

I think I'm in for a marathon listening session  with my wife out for the day today

I'm quite envious.   My AV room is currently full of junk, and I'm using the hi-fi in the 'family area' .

'What crap have you got on the TV now?' I ask....

'Nothing important dear if you want to play some music carry on, I'll turn the TV off...' says she.

Marvellous I think, only to realise by 'off' she actually means 'on' but with still audible very low volume  - 'you don't answer me, so how can you possibly hear that?' she muses - I'm afraid when trying to listen to music I really cannot tolerate 'I'm a celebrity ...' whisperings intruding on my pleasure !  MUST sort the other room out soon!

 

Sorry for the confusion. It was his vocals on The Painter I was referring to, I'd completely forgotten he played on the Dreaming too.

I simply adore the "A Sky Of Honey" part of Aerial.

At the moment I'm baulking at the purchase of Vinyl boxset IV: spending £90 just for the cover versions seems silly but doesn't make me want it any less. Trouble is I'm an "all or nothing" guy, so buying boxset IV means I'll buy the other three. And as I have them already that means it's £360 for those cover versions ....

Moving on to Never For Ever, as always, I first listened to the new reissue all the way through.  I think it's important to get a feel for the reissue by playing all the way through first before making any comparisons with originals. If it knocks your socks off, it's an undoubted success, regardless.  If not, and you feel there's something lacking or you feel there's a problem, then any success must be qualified.  That's where comparison against earlier issues really helps, and conclusions can then be better drawn...

Looking at the packaging first, it's pretty much the same story as before.  Nicely done replication of the gatefold sleeve artwork, with a touch more contrast, but sharp, detailed and clear.  Unfortunately the purple "Kate Bush Remastered" sticker on the outside wrapper is positioned exactly so it covers Kate's head and face, which, even when it's in the form of a cartoon drawing, is most unfortunate.  The LP itself comes in the now-familiar black anti-static lined inner sleeve, and the Fish People logo on the label is this time augmented with a small butterfly and rose motif from the album artwork.  The LP is again flat and nicely centred, but on my copy, side 2 had the centre label mispressed so it was off-centre by quite a way and encroached into the run-out grooves.  This is potentially hazardous to the stylus, so I'll be seeking a replacement from What Records.  

I just hope that any replacement sounds as good as this copy! I haven't played my original in quite a while, but I did recall that this was always one of Kate's best sounding LPs, so this reissue had a lot of prior expectation that it would be something good.  And I wasn't disappointed. Listening to it, I felt completely drawn in and enveloped by the performance. Surface noise is almost totally absent, and the soundstage as wide and dimensional as anything I've heard. Moving straight on to my original, it's still fantastic sounding LP.  There's greater clarity here than on the earlier LPs. The Soundstage is still wide, but things are more centred.  Kate's voice is particularly good on the original, marginally better than on the reissue, but the bass power and overall dynamics on the reissue are a bit more apparent. If you have a mint original, you won't be missing that much, if anything from the reissue unless you absolutely crave the extra bass heft and kick.  If you don't have a mint original then the reissue is likely all you need. KB devotees will probably want both - both brilliant, so close, but also subtly different. On my particular system, I'd probably give first nod to the original, but I think I need to come back and revisit the reissue again.  By absolute standards it's superb, but then so is the original. By this standard, I'm itching to hear what the reissue of The Dreaming brings.  I'll post about that a bit later on...

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

R

 

I haven't played my original in quite a while, but I did recall that this was always one of Kate's best sounding LPs, so this reissue had a lot of prior expectation that it would be something good.  And I wasn't disappointed. Listening to it, I felt completely drawn in and enveloped by the performance. Surface noise is almost totally absent, and the soundstage as wide and dimensional as anything I've heard. Moving straight on to my original, it's still fantastic sounding LP.  There's greater clarity here than on the earlier LPs. The Soundstage is still wide, but things are more centred.  Kate's voice is particularly good on the original, marginally better than on the reissue, but the bass power and overall dynamics on the reissue are a bit more apparent. If you have a mint original, you won't be missing that much,

Back in Uni, I listened to this album many times in the confines of a dorm room that contained a Linn/Nytech/ARC system. When it was finally taken active along with the full monty LP12/Ittok/Asak this album had a very vivid, dynamic and squeaky clean sound and was probably THE 'go-to' album to impress people with. By contrast on the same system The Kick Inside was warmer, less overtly dynamic and without the bass snap of this. 

I wonder what ever happened to David Halladie-Smith and his full monty....he never showed up on any internet groups to my knowledge. As he was Canadian, he had Nytech modify his 252XD with a switchable 50/75 us de-emphasis so he would be able to use it in both continents-I think they told him at the time that they would not do another as it was a lot of effort. 

I must have played the original CD release of TKI on active DBLs maybe a hundred times, and never found it wanting. I will certainly give the RM a listen when I reclaim my CDS3 next January-following its multi-organ transplant surgery. 

Steve O posted:

Has anyone listened to the remaster of Aerial yet? Is it true Rolf Harris has been removed and replaced by her son Bertie? Mine is ordered but not yet delivered. Took the free delivery option as I'm not home to take delivery this weekend.

Just wish Before The Dawn was remastered - I hate that recording.

 

History cannot and should not be erased, otherwise we are lying to ourselves.

nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Decorum please. Anyone would think this is the Brexit thread.

As you were....

Christopher_M posted:
Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Decorum please. Anyone would think this is the Brexit thread.

As you were....

It's not clear what Loki thinks is utter tosh - the 'airbrushing' I suspect.

The original vinyl comment concerns me as i bought it years ago but have never played it.  Then again a few purchases from the river recently have had lots of fine scratches on them which is annoying for new.

Alley Cat posted:
Christopher_M posted:
Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Decorum please. Anyone would think this is the Brexit thread.

As you were....

It's not clear what Loki thinks is utter tosh - the 'airbrushing' I suspect.

The original vinyl comment concerns me as i bought it years ago but have never played it.  Then again a few purchases from the river recently have had lots of fine scratches on them which is annoying for new.

Alley Cat,

The original pressing was unfortunately not great, with issues of distortion and sibilance widely reported at particular points on the discs. There is probably a thread from the time of the original release in the forum archives. I’m sure I was far from being alone in having several duff copies that had to be returned and anybody who had a decent original copy is lucky. 

Yes, the original Aerial LP issue had some pressing issues.  My own copy has a bit of groove noise in places but it was one of the better ones, so I gather. So far the pressing quality of these new reissues (centre label on Never For Ever notwithstanding) has been really good, so hopefully the Aerial reissue will be of a similar high quality.

nicnaim posted:
Alley Cat posted:
Christopher_M posted:
Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Decorum please. Anyone would think this is the Brexit thread.

As you were....

It's not clear what Loki thinks is utter tosh - the 'airbrushing' I suspect.

The original vinyl comment concerns me as i bought it years ago but have never played it.  Then again a few purchases from the river recently have had lots of fine scratches on them which is annoying for new.

Alley Cat,

The original pressing was unfortunately not great, with issues of distortion and sibilance widely reported at particular points on the discs. There is probably a thread from the time of the original release in the forum archives. I’m sure I was far from being alone in having several duff copies that had to be returned and anybody who had a decent original copy is lucky. 

Oh ye mortals follow the thread! Yes of course I am referring to the airbrushing. Should have done a selective quotation. Apologies.

Such practice makes me question where we stop. Should I be seeking a penseive into which to discard my un p-c memories such as my childhood favourite 'two little boys'? 

Meanwhile back on planet earth, yes Ariel, some sibilance on my original pressing when the VTA was not accurately set. A great test disk in that respect.

I tried to have a browse of these new offerings with my Qobuz sublime - tracks not available via Kazoo and bubble upnp to my NDS but through their webrowser on works pc i have no probelm accessing the tracks.  I couldnt find any mention of it on this thread earlier but has anyone else experienced this?

Nagual posted:

yes, looks like only 30 second samples i can hear not whole tracks on the web player.  hmmn

I just bought them to be honest, but yes they were limited to 30 sec previews, unlike the older versions which could be played in full (and I assume still can).

I also find with Sublime that it's odd hat you can find apparent identical copies of an album, one will play in full the other only previews so I assume there must be some 'issue' difference at play.

Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Feel free to record your own album with Rolf any time you like, but if Ms Bush wishes to remove his contribution that is entirely up to her!

Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:
Alley Cat posted:
Christopher_M posted:
Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Decorum please. Anyone would think this is the Brexit thread.

As you were....

It's not clear what Loki thinks is utter tosh - the 'airbrushing' I suspect.

The original vinyl comment concerns me as i bought it years ago but have never played it.  Then again a few purchases from the river recently have had lots of fine scratches on them which is annoying for new.

Alley Cat,

The original pressing was unfortunately not great, with issues of distortion and sibilance widely reported at particular points on the discs. There is probably a thread from the time of the original release in the forum archives. I’m sure I was far from being alone in having several duff copies that had to be returned and anybody who had a decent original copy is lucky. 

Oh ye mortals follow the thread! Yes of course I am referring to the airbrushing. Should have done a selective quotation. Apologies.

Such practice makes me question where we stop. Should I be seeking a penseive into which to discard my un p-c memories such as my childhood favourite 'two little boys'? 

Meanwhile back on planet earth, yes Ariel, some sibilance on my original pressing when the VTA was not accurately set. A great test disk in that respect.

I also loved Rolf's songs as a kid, and picked up some of his albums on vinyl second hand for novelty value as a student.

The memories are not 'un PC' at all, I just find mine are tainted by the knowledge of his crimes, and I suspect some people just can't enjoy hearing his voice in Aerial anymore (in all honesty I never liked the voice part there anyway).

tiggers55 posted:
Loki posted:
nicnaim posted:

I can confirm Rolf has been airbrushed out of the Aerial vinyl remaster.  No great surprise I suppose, but when you know every note of this record it takes a bit of getting used to.  Really pleased to get this on vinyl again.  Unfortunately I gave up after three faulty versions of the original vinyl and went for the CD version.  The remaster sounds rather nice.

 

What utter tosh.

Feel free to record your own album with Rolf any time you like, but if Ms Bush wishes to remove his contribution that is entirely up to her!

Who said it was Kate's decision?

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