Power first not source!!

French Rooster I would suggest you find an Ansuz dealer and listen to the different products they have. Then come back with your opinion. For many  many years I couldn't understand cables making a difference. A little over 15 years ago I bought a AQ Viper IC. I noticed the music was a bit louder at the same level on my volume control. That was the start of it. From there I demoed cables at the low price range and found there were differences. Were they worth it to me at the time? Nope in most cases. But as my system got better over time they made a bigger difference. Especially speaker cables. But even as my equipment got better the speaker cables made the least difference. The differences I experienced were not just at shows but in my home with my system. Except for Lars coming to my home these in home demos were with just my system and me. No one to tell me what I would be hearing.

Toby IMO the examples I gave are not lot little chicken and eggs but some pretty big ones. At the entry levels I would probably agree with you. But at the entry levels you get an increased level of performance allbeit minor. Trying to get the most from what you already own.

I've always said on other forums cables should be your last upgrade once you've finalized your system. The reason is because some cables will just be right where others may not be during an upgrade path. To me Ansuz breaks that thought.

Octa_dyn posted:

I've always said on other forums cables should be your last upgrade once you've finalized your system. The reason is because some cables will just be right where others may not be during an upgrade path. To me Ansuz breaks that thought.

However if, as may very well be the case, the difference dependes on the susceptibility of the equipment it is used with, then the cables would still need to be considered only after the electronics (or at the same time).

I like this topic for two reasons; 1) because I'm more that happy to challenge the source-first adage, and 2) I've found mains cables can have a profound effect on SQ.

Here's the kicker to the OP's premise - I've found cheaper power cables more capable than expensive alternatives. So YES, mains cables matter, but NO, price is no indication of performance.

That said, can price paid affect the perception of performance for some - CERTAINLY! 

French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

bluedog posted:
French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

sorry if you have not understood, i was just commenting Tobyjug comment on”you will find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect “.   The buddhist philosophy says that what you see exist only because you see it existing as that.     But in Reality, always in buddhism philosophy, things , phenomenons, ...have not individual or inner existence, but are linked to a whole reality.

For your information, i am drinking only water or coffee.   But yes, i was digressing a bit, as Tonyjug.   Anyway it is not easy to say “ source first” or “power first” because a source without power can’t work and the better the quality of power, the better the source.

I have a 552, 500 system fronted by a one week old ND555 all on Fraim and Ovator S600’s. I am running Chord Music Din/Din, Din/XLR and speaker cables. 

Last winter I was considering adding a second 555DR to my then NDS. My dealer suggested I try Ansuz power cables and distribution block as another alternative. I was frankly skeptical and unprepared for ithe mprovement Ansuz has made in my system . I hesitate to tell you I was astonished by what I heard. Pretty much all the attributes I am enjoying in my week old  ND555 were present with the addition of Ansuz power  cords and distribution. I really had no idea of what my system was capable of . If you have a open mind and like what you are hearing in the ND555 I would suggest you give Ansuz a try  I think  it’s a demo well worth making .

BPW posted:

I have a 552, 500 system fronted by a one week old ND555 all on Fraim and Ovator S600’s. I am running Chord Music Din/Din, Din/XLR and speaker cables. 

Last winter I was considering adding a second 555DR to my then NDS. My dealer suggested I try Ansuz power cables and distribution block as another alternative. I was frankly skeptical and unprepared for ithe mprovement Ansuz has made in my system . I hesitate to tell you I was astonished by what I heard. Pretty much all the attributes I am enjoying in my week old  ND555 were present with the addition of Ansuz power  cords and distribution. I really had no idea of what my system was capable of . If you have a open mind and like what you are hearing in the ND555 I would suggest you give Ansuz a try  I think  it’s a demo well worth making .

Which particular model, and which particular dealer, BPW ?

A quick Google shows they have a large number of zeros after the $ sign, but I haven't seen the £UK prices as yet.

I am in the US. My dealer is Tyler at Next Level audio, who happens to be the new dealer for Kudos for North America.

I tried most of the Ansuz cables and eventually settled on the C2 power cables for amp, preamp and streamer all going into a Mainz 8 D2 distribution block. Also a C2 power cord from the wall to distribution block.. 

Excuse me for a moment while I put on my Nomex fire suit....... ah that’s better. if you already own a 500 level system the magnitude of the improvement is not out of line with the cost. And is easily on par with a box upgrade or two.Even if you find that impossible to believe (I did!) it would be informative to listen for yourself!

 

anzus are not the only one to make state of the art power cords or blocks.  There is siltech or kharma.   The top kharma power block costs 20 k.   But of course i don’t know which one is better and how it compares to anzus.   Here in France some tested kharma with naim and were very impressed.

In my experience cables and interconnects can make a significant difference, unfortunately I have so far never discovered a low cost cable that is able to produce significant improvements ....

cables that are exceptionally good usually come at a high cost.... that’s because they work, they can be compared to a black box upgrade.

personally I would love to give the Ansuz power cables and distribution block a try....

John you pointed here don't forget. Listen buddy cables are real. Did you see Drew's response with the AQ Thunder? Are they worth it for you? That's the billion dollar question. Ask Tyler for a 14 day demo of the X power cord. The worse he will say is NO. BTW Tyler will not sell any power cord less than 2M.

Octa_dyn posted:

John you pointed here don't forget. Listen buddy cables are real. Did you see Drew's response with the AQ Thunder? Are they worth it for you? That's the billion dollar question. Ask Tyler for a 14 day demo of the X power cord. The worse he will say is NO. BTW Tyler will not sell any power cord less than 2M.

Lol I did. I have 2 powerlines but I am considering a Mainz8 for a future upgrade. I've considered it in the past when I had my Uniti 2 so that may be a nice demo at least. Maybe I'll forget about trying Octave and try Ansuz instead. 

In my honest opinion I would say the Ansuz cables will be a bigger difference. That said I never tried Ansuz with the Octave only because Ansuz was just getting started when I traded it in. Also the Octave is a heat generator. In the summer months my A/C would not cycle until I put the Octave in standby. But then again my thermostat was only about 10' away. Rhettard never had a problem driving his C4 sig's with the Octave but once he got the D2's his V80 fell apart when pushing the volume. Then he got the SN2 and it worked a lot better at extreme volumes.

I am close to finding a financial solution to fund the Ansuz upgrade. So next monday it is planned that I will get C cables on all the power ssuppplies, and changing a C cable from the wal with a D cable. It will be extremely interesting to hear what a C cable will do on my 555 on the Ndac. I have a feeling that you get more on the bigger supplies, after the imrpovements I heard Friday on a 282. Well I am probably just writing the  first post over again!

Claus   

analogmusic posted:

Statement amplifier ships with Naim powerlines

Since that is what Steve Sells voiced it with, that’s the Referance standard for Naim and also... for me. 

 

Naim my have more expensive cables in development you cannot know, like the nd555. It is not likely that Naim will indorse a compeditor in the cables market, and if they are working on a distribution block. But you are never going to get the same as Naim did. Your do not have the speakers used, and you do not know if Naim used different speakers with the Statement. Also you do not have Naim's demo room available. The ansuz upgrades does not change anything you just get of what the gear can deliver, both in resolution details, and also in the famous prat. Even on bad recordings, internet radio with rather low bitrates the modern compressed tracks just sounds better or less uggly.

 

Claus  

spurrier sucks posted:
analogmusic posted:
Claus-Thoegersen posted:
analogmusic posted:

Sorry but I’m not going to pay ND555 prices for mains products

 

Exactly how we all feel about it, but you should try to hear these Ansuz  products, nobody likes to spend this money on wires and a box, but  people end up doing it anyway because of the sq you get for the money. 

Claus  

Time is money. Not going to audition something I will never buy. 

But what if Chord made it?

It would not be Naim intended

French Rooster posted:
bluedog posted:
French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

sorry if you have not understood, i was just commenting Tobyjug comment on”you will find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect “.   The buddhist philosophy says that what you see exist only because you see it existing as that.     But in Reality, always in buddhism philosophy, things , phenomenons, ...have not individual or inner existence, but are linked to a whole reality.

For your information, i am drinking only water or coffee.   But yes, i was digressing a bit, as Tonyjug.   Anyway it is not easy to say “ source first” or “power first” because a source without power can’t work and the better the quality of power, the better the source.

My comment was based more around Schrodinger's conundrum of the dead cat in the box.   

TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:
bluedog posted:
French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

sorry if you have not understood, i was just commenting Tobyjug comment on”you will find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect “.   The buddhist philosophy says that what you see exist only because you see it existing as that.     But in Reality, always in buddhism philosophy, things , phenomenons, ...have not individual or inner existence, but are linked to a whole reality.

For your information, i am drinking only water or coffee.   But yes, i was digressing a bit, as Tonyjug.   Anyway it is not easy to say “ source first” or “power first” because a source without power can’t work and the better the quality of power, the better the source.

My comment was based more around Schrodinger's conundrum of the dead cat in the box.   

I'd rather like to know if any cats were harmed during the development of this conundrum back in 1935.

And never mind cats in steel boxes, how about cats sleeping on top of warm black aluminium boxes... would they be harmed?    Mine has only ever done it once, and now has 8 lives remaining.

rjstaines posted:

 

And never mind cats in steel boxes, how about cats sleeping on top of warm black aluminium boxes... would they be harmed?    Mine has only ever done it once, and now has 8 lives remaining.

I don’t think it would hurt the cat at all - and if the amp gets too warm they’ll eventually stretch and mave to try to squeeze beside it instead...

rjstaines posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:
bluedog posted:
French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

sorry if you have not understood, i was just commenting Tobyjug comment on”you will find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect “.   The buddhist philosophy says that what you see exist only because you see it existing as that.     But in Reality, always in buddhism philosophy, things , phenomenons, ...have not individual or inner existence, but are linked to a whole reality.

For your information, i am drinking only water or coffee.   But yes, i was digressing a bit, as Tonyjug.   Anyway it is not easy to say “ source first” or “power first” because a source without power can’t work and the better the quality of power, the better the source.

My comment was based more around Schrodinger's conundrum of the dead cat in the box.   

I'd rather like to know if any cats were harmed during the development of this conundrum back in 1935.

And never mind cats in steel boxes, how about cats sleeping on top of warm black aluminium boxes... would they be harmed?    Mine has only ever done it once, and now has 8 lives remaining.

if you remove the power, the cat will go away.   So if you love your cat, buy him the best power cables you can afford.   Perhaps, if you go to a dealer with your cat, your cat will choose the right power cable between anzus, nordost or kharma.

Someone will write” tell me what this guy has drunken?”

French Rooster posted:
rjstaines posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:
bluedog posted:
French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

sorry if you have not understood, i was just commenting Tobyjug comment on”you will find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect “.   The buddhist philosophy says that what you see exist only because you see it existing as that.     But in Reality, always in buddhism philosophy, things , phenomenons, ...have not individual or inner existence, but are linked to a whole reality.

For your information, i am drinking only water or coffee.   But yes, i was digressing a bit, as Tonyjug.   Anyway it is not easy to say “ source first” or “power first” because a source without power can’t work and the better the quality of power, the better the source.

My comment was based more around Schrodinger's conundrum of the dead cat in the box.   

I'd rather like to know if any cats were harmed during the development of this conundrum back in 1935.

And never mind cats in steel boxes, how about cats sleeping on top of warm black aluminium boxes... would they be harmed?    Mine has only ever done it once, and now has 8 lives remaining.

if you remove the power, the cat will go away.   So if you love your cat, buy him the best power cables you can afford.   Perhaps, if you go to a dealer with your cat, your cat will choose the right power cable between anzus, nordost or kharma.

Someone will write” tell me what this guy has drunken?”

But what if the cat had died sleeping on the warm black box ? Eventually it would have dried up and would have made an effective acoustic diffuser hung up on the wall, further improving the effect of a great power cable.

French Rooster posted:
rjstaines posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:
bluedog posted:
French Rooster posted:
TOBYJUG posted:
French Rooster posted:

the ansuz block will not transform the dragonfly into chord dave, even if it enables all the possibilities of the dragonfly.   So i will tend to say source first and power after.

Of course, without power the source could not exist, but it is not like the hen and the egg logic.

It is very much like the hen and egg logic.     Only we are looking at very small hens and very small eggs.  So small in fact that they are both entangled up in a very small hen and egg fight on a very small microscopic level where everything is both hen and egg at the same time.   Not after some considerable time and effort spent searching will you find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect.

the power is source and the source is power.  A source without power is not a source, or just a potential source.   The phenomenon is what the observer has observed as a phenomenon.....but in Reality the phenomenon doesn’t exist, in buddhism.   Perhaps we can invent the philosophical hifi?

I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking please.

sorry if you have not understood, i was just commenting Tobyjug comment on”you will find either one or the other depending on your observational aspect “.   The buddhist philosophy says that what you see exist only because you see it existing as that.     But in Reality, always in buddhism philosophy, things , phenomenons, ...have not individual or inner existence, but are linked to a whole reality.

For your information, i am drinking only water or coffee.   But yes, i was digressing a bit, as Tonyjug.   Anyway it is not easy to say “ source first” or “power first” because a source without power can’t work and the better the quality of power, the better the source.

My comment was based more around Schrodinger's conundrum of the dead cat in the box.   

I'd rather like to know if any cats were harmed during the development of this conundrum back in 1935.

And never mind cats in steel boxes, how about cats sleeping on top of warm black aluminium boxes... would they be harmed?    Mine has only ever done it once, and now has 8 lives remaining.

if you remove the power, the cat will go away.   So if you love your cat, buy him the best power cables you can afford.   Perhaps, if you go to a dealer with your cat, your cat will choose the right power cable between anzus, nordost or kharma.

Someone will write” tell me what this guy has drunken?”

This is why a home demo is a must. The cat feels more comfortable at home and less likely to die but still choose the best poet cord for himself. 

Peder posted:

🔹 Please,...do not use the function "Quote" as many times as you like...it will be so incredibly much to "scroll" from a phone.

Cut rather out what you want to refer to,... only one wish....

/Peder 🙂

Lol. Does it make your thumb hurt after a few scrolls? Hit the gym and get in better shape. Toughen up. I thought only the US was getting soft. Just goes to show people will bitch about anything. Lol

spurrier sucks posted:
Peder posted:

🔹 Please,...do not use the function "Quote" as many times as you like...it will be so incredibly much to "scroll" from a phone.

Cut rather out what you want to refer to,... only one wish....

/Peder 🙂

Lol. Does it make your thumb hurt after a few scrolls? Hit the gym and get in better shape. Toughen up. I thought only the US was getting soft. Just goes to show people will bitch about anything. Lol

Will also make those others around you watching you furiously thumbing that smart phone in public think that your actually engaged in something important.

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