Power first not source!!

Gosh, you lucky chap,  I wish I owned a smart phone.  All my phone does is make & take calls and send / receive texts.

...and it never gets warm enough for the cat to become interested in it.

On reflection this is one of the benefits of getting old... technology (smart phones) is just too complicated, so you don't have one and you don't have the problems associated with them (like scrolling). 

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

Time to wake this up again. Tomorrow we will have 2 more demos. C cables on all my power supplies, and a Diamond cable from wall to distribution block. It is going to be an interesting day!

Claus

Looking forward to hear your observations.... enjoy 

The short update is as expected very very good! All tracks sound better. Better base, more seperations among instruments, easier to follow instruments in complex passages of the music. You end up hearing things that you were not able to here before. More dynamics in the music! And  I have not used as much time listening to my own system as I would like to. As we expected my other friend had his system tweaked, again with a D cable, one of the  smaller new power blocks, C cables on his supercap for  282, and a C cable on his hicap on the Snaxo. All of us is going to buy this Ansuz update, even though we would never had considered spedning this much money on power compared to what our Naim/audiovector systems cost. At the same time these expensive upgrades were not at all planned, but the deals  are only available now!

Some of my standard test upgrade music has really gotten so much better. I will post some of my current favorit tracks later.

Claus

 

John - Tyler used a full D2 cable loom with a D2 power distribution. I hate to say it but IMO the V2 cables D2's are the sweet spot but expensive. With the V2's there is quite an improvement between the A2 C2 and D2.

Before the Version 2 the Ceramic was in the sweet spot IMO. With the originals the D was the best but at 15K (2M) the C was extremely close at 5.4K

Utter madness. If I already had a 500 series system (or greater - Statement 😋), my room optimised with acoustic treatment- hell, a totally new optimised room - and another £30k to spend on nothing else more important than my hi-fi, then I’m all in. Otherwise, nah - I will leave this to the few that find themselves in that fortunate position. 

“the deals are only available now”

This does rather ring a few alarm bells, it smacks of pressure sales tactics. 

Your description of the effect makes no mention of enhancing the musical communication, just the hifi aspects. Can you better hear a chamber ensemble interacting or just the individual lines, is there emotion being triggered by the music, can it swing?

Is there a 500 series system available for comparison to the 282 etc with magic cables? Preferably not one set up by the cable merchant.

Yeti42 The deal is they are discontinued products. Again IMO the new V2 is a lot better than the originals (as good as the originals were). I had a C pc and later had a D for about 45 days. Yes the D was better but not by a whole lot. Took out the D and I didn't miss it. That's when Lars came to my home with the prototype A2 (3.2K for 2M) and C2 (5.8K for 2M). I still prefer the A2 by a wide margin over the D (15K for 2M). Those prices are retail and in USD. The C2 was a lot better than the A2 and once the cables were in production the D2 is a lot better than the C2. That said the D-TC (20K for 2M) is a lot better than the D2.

 

This thread is specially focusing on anzus products.  The title should be “ anzus first, not source”.   It would be interesting to have some other brands to compare or share the experience, like synergetic research, kharma, chord music or sarum t power cords, audioquest...

tonycurran1 posted:

I understand the importance of a dedicated spur with good MK sockets

 but the power going into that spur very little can be done to improve that as that is the real source or am I missing the point.

Yes and no. One can clean up the mains, optimise the route from the fuse board, play with earthing and shield form RFI.

Russ Andrews and Kimber provide a number of effective solutions and offer a long trial/return period. Rega, NAim and Chord have all nodded in the direction of directional mains cables, which lends support to the idea that the mains can have an effect. I was sceptical but have proven it to myself and others countless times. 

I would very much like to try balanced mains, which I believe is the sine qua non for domestic mains supply.

[quote]This thread is specially focusing on anzus products.  The title should be “ anzus first, not source”.   It would be interesting to have some other brands to compare or share the experience, like synergetic research, kharma, chord music or sarum t power cords, audioquest...[/quote]

Mr Rooster I agree and would love to see other brands being compared. I heard a story regarding I think 1 or 2 RMAF shows ago. Lars got a ton of flack from Nordost. He brought an A2 pc into the Nordost demo with the Odin2. They let him put it in and everyone loved it. When he took it out most in the demo couldn't believe what happened to the sound stage - separation between the instruments and vocals when they put the Odin2 back in. I heard most left the room and they were Nordost fans. That said I wasn't there and only heard of the story. Remember Mike Borresen designed the Odin2. I know of 1 person who traded in 6 Odin2's for Ansuz D-TC's. That was before the V2's were released.

My local audio dealer is also a Nordost dealer. He has given me Nordost demo cases of cables for up to 60 days. As you go up the chain they do sound better than the latter. Tonality wise both the Ansuz and Nordost is equal. Where Ansuz accelerates is in the openness -   depth - sound stage and better dynamics. Years past all I listened for was a change in tonality. Both Ansuz and Nordost were in home demo's.

 

seakayaker posted:
Octa_dyn posted:

BTW how do you quote someone?

Mouse click on 'Take Action' and select 'Reply with quote'

Hi George,just click the little “take action” arrow,then hit reply with quote.

I was beat to the punch,but this shows you that you can also edit within 15 minutes...same action window.

No quarter posted:
seakayaker posted:
Octa_dyn posted:

BTW how do you quote someone?

Mouse click on 'Take Action' and select 'Reply with quote'

Hi George,just click the little “take action” arrow,then hit reply with quote.

I was beat to the punch,but this shows you that you can also edit within 15 minutes...same action window.

Thanks guys   It works

yeti42 posted:

“the deals are only available now”

This does rather ring a few alarm bells, it smacks of pressure sales tactics

 

You do not know my dealer and no this is not sales tactics, other than every sale of an item involves sales tactics.

Your description of the effect makes no mention of enhancing the musical communication, just the hifi aspects. Can you better hear a chamber ensemble interacting or just the individual lines, is there emotion being triggered by the music, can it swing?

Yes yes and yes. It was the short description and finding words  that makes sense for everybody is almost impossible.

 

Is there a 500 series system available for comparison to the 282 etc with magic cables? Preferably not one set up by the cable merchant.

 

So you distrust all systems setup by any dealer? since the dealer is always the merchant?

No 500 system available, this is not standard in Denmark I am not even sure the distributor has one. In active systems going 500 would be even more expensive, even  3 300s would be more expensive. With a system that only uses digital sources I am not going to consider a 552 until I know what happens with a new dac or an 372 or what comes after the new launch of the streamers.

 

Having heard 3 close to identical systems 2 with 282 and my own with 252 I can here that the improvements are bigger the better the systems are. It is not entirely fair since I have a much better distribution block than is used in the other 2 systems, and it may be the case that the bigger powersupplies benefits more from the cables.

 

Claus

French Rooster posted:

This thread is specially focusing on anzus products.  The title should be “ anzus first, not source”.   It would be interesting to have some other brands to compare or share the experience, like synergetic research, kharma, chord music or sarum t power cords, audioquest…

 

Yes I agree but as far as I know you cannot change this after the thread is created. I think very few dealers have all these cables availabel at the same time. My dealer has Ansuz and Chord and I do not believe the Sarum T is availabel. The same with the new Naim cables that I cannot remember the name of.

 

Claus

To get away from the hardware talk  here is part of my test track list.
Nicolas Meiers, Silence Talks a 24 bit Naim release. The track used is Turquoise. A fantastic track jazz infused with a turkish flavor. It starts out simple but ends up being very complex, a fantastic test track and a fantastic track!
Michel Camilo and Tomatito, Spain Forever. One of my friends went to a concert with them, and since I was not there, I had to buy the record instead. All tracks are good but Armando's Rhumba is very good  to test for prat and again a good track.
Sara Bareilles Brave Enough, 24 bit from hdtracks, and it seems hard to find other than at hdtracks. We used the first track Love on the rocks it is always good to test with live records.
Jimmy Witherspoon  Live at the mint, Past 40 blues. Again a live track that has been on my test track playlist for years. A live cd that has not been destroyed in the mastering process.
Kari Bremnes Gåte ved gåte. If you can live with lyrics in Norwegian this is a fantastic record like most others she has released, even though I prefer the older records to the last 2 she has released.
Eva Cassedy Live at blues alley, this has also been on my list for years.

Of course I have played a lot of other tracks, and the enhancements are the same no matter what music I play, as I wrote even on internet radio at 128 kbps, and with modern terrible recordings I hear the same enhancements.
 

Claus

Dave J posted:

But Alan, you’ve already spent tons on SL, you’re already playing the game...

Yes I have.  Got the black boxes I was after and, after listening long and hard, saw the value in the SLs in my system.  I wasn't saying people shouldn't go for it if they have the system and the money, but.......I would be very interested in hearing a ND555/PS555/NAC552/NAP500/SLs (or similar) combination with Naims Power Cables, versus an NDS/PS555/NAC252/SC/NAP300/SLs (or similar) combination with high end Anzus Power Cables.  Which from my reckoning will cost about the same. And that's without the distribution block which if felt essential to the power first challenge would reduce the Anzus system to a NDX/XPS/282/HiCap level system from a cost comparison perspective.  Whilst limitations in a power supply can stop equipment performing at their optimum, the limitations in the equipment itself will mean that there is only so much a component is able to give. 

 

alanbass1 posted:
Dave J posted:

But Alan, you’ve already spent tons on SL, you’re already playing the game...

Yes I have.  Got the black boxes I was after and, after listening long and hard, saw the value in the SLs in my system.  I wasn't saying people shouldn't go for it if they have the system and the money, but.......I would be very interested in hearing a ND555/PS555/NAC552/NAP500/SLs (or similar) combination with Naims Power Cables, versus an NDS/PS555/NAC252/SC/NAP300/SLs (or similar) combination with high end Anzus Power Cables.  Which from my reckoning will cost about the same. And that's without the distribution block which if felt essential to the power first challenge would reduce the Anzus system to a NDX/XPS/282/HiCap level system from a cost comparison perspective.  Whilst limitations in a power supply can stop equipment performing at their optimum, the limitations in the equipment itself will mean that there is only so much a component is able to give

 

Like I mentioned earlier when I first heard the Ansuz D-TC power cord it went from the wall to my MainzD8 power distribution. Something that shocked me besides the lower noise floor was we could play the music almost twice as loud. That was a demo in my home with the prototype cable (20K for 2M USD retail). That said with the Mainz D-TC power distribution you can play almost twice as loud again (23K USD retail). Yes I own both

A first comment: as the thread is not Ansuz specific my input to the OP  is “yes indeed!”: I have not managed to hear significant differences in my system between the NDX and other DACs, neither am I consistently able to discern high res from red book  or WAV from FLAC...I can however consistently hear differences between different amps or speakers but as far as “source first” is concerned I only understand it if the power element is included in the equation.

I was in fact vehemently rejecting the notion of considering expensive power cords until I tried a Nordost Vrahma at home. And then I changed my mind.

Regarding Ansuz: the person from whom I got my amp has switched from Nordost to Ansuz (that’s how I managed to get hold of an Odin cable...).

I cannot afford to buy Ansuz (new at least) but I am not surprised at all at the OP’s input and feedback.

 

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