Powerline dressing

I understand what you are saying Chris. The foam is very compliant so really does provide minimal pressure just to stop the slow sag and still allow a generous bend radius to not stress the USB A socket. 

TBH, USB A and fairly inflexible cables aren't a good combination and from a pure connectivity point of view i prefer the more flexible Chord Silver Plus. From a SQ point of view the Sig TA works better for me. At least with Burndy cables, once you've preformed them they tend to stay in shape but they do prefer to hang. My old 300 was very sensitive to Burndy dressing. 

dave marshall posted:

Inevitably, after reading through this topic, I visited the plumbers merchant yesterday, and purchased, for an outlay of 98p, a 2m length of foam pipe insulation, which I then cut into 2" chunks and lifted my speaker cables off the wooden floor in the music room.

Any improvement?

Who knows, but it'll be the cheapest upgrade yet which didn't work! 

Dave, for heavens sake, please stop making such posts! I have just caught myself in Wicks buying foam pipe insulation, although I think I was ripped off at 99p for a 1m length. ALL my cables are now off the ground, well those in the listening room.

Having a first listen to my upgraded system now so we'll see if I can detect any change. If not, I amused myself for an hour on my day off while listening to some great music.

Please, no more tweakery. These trips to the DIY store are distracting me from listening to music - remember, the reason we have a HiFi in the first place. 

nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:

Inevitably, after reading through this topic, I visited the plumbers merchant yesterday, and purchased, for an outlay of 98p, a 2m length of foam pipe insulation, which I then cut into 2" chunks and lifted my speaker cables off the wooden floor in the music room.

Any improvement?

Who knows, but it'll be the cheapest upgrade yet which didn't work! 

Dave, for heavens sake, please stop making such posts! I have just caught myself in Wicks buying foam pipe insulation, although I think I was ripped off at 99p for a 1m length. ALL my cables are now off the ground, well those in the listening room.

Having a first listen to my upgraded system now so we'll see if I can detect any change. If not, I amused myself for an hour on my day off while listening to some great music.

Please, no more tweakery. These trips to the DIY store are distracting me from listening to music - remember, the reason we have a HiFi in the first place. 

Well, you started it!

But you're right, back to the music room. 

This is starting to remind me of a woman I dated briefly back in the late '80s  (give or take a few years). She had a large apartment in central London, she was powering a set of Magneplanars with a pair of Krell monoblocs, and was experimenting with suspending the Maggies from the.) ceiling (with some seriously strong wires), I think the idea had been in one of the magazines. (My memory is that it sounded pretty dire.) A couple of weeks later the experiment was over, the weather had warmed up, and her flat was unearably hot in large part due to the heat from the Krells. So she opened the windows to let the breeze in, and several grand of speakers starting swaying unnervingly in the wind.

james n posted:

I understand what you are saying Chris. The foam is very compliant so really does provide minimal pressure just to stop the slow sag and still allow a generous bend radius to not stress the USB A socket. 

TBH, USB A and fairly inflexible cables aren't a good combination and from a pure connectivity point of view i prefer the more flexible Chord Silver Plus. From a SQ point of view the Sig TA works better for me. At least with Burndy cables, once you've preformed them they tend to stay in shape but they do prefer to hang. My old 300 was very sensitive to Burndy dressing. 

Just speculation on my part, James, rather than a judgement. This stuff has been on my mind a little, as I will soon have to rebuild my system after an extensive room refurb and rewire. I was hoping I could 'engineer out' some of my cable dressing issues, but that is probably being way optimistic! 

dave marshall posted:
nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:

Inevitably, after reading through this topic, I visited the plumbers merchant yesterday, and purchased, for an outlay of 98p, a 2m length of foam pipe insulation, which I then cut into 2" chunks and lifted my speaker cables off the wooden floor in the music room.

Any improvement?

Who knows, but it'll be the cheapest upgrade yet which didn't work! 

Dave, for heavens sake, please stop making such posts! I have just caught myself in Wicks buying foam pipe insulation, although I think I was ripped off at 99p for a 1m length. ALL my cables are now off the ground, well those in the listening room.

Having a first listen to my upgraded system now so we'll see if I can detect any change. If not, I amused myself for an hour on my day off while listening to some great music.

Please, no more tweakery. These trips to the DIY store are distracting me from listening to music - remember, the reason we have a HiFi in the first place. 

Well, you started it!

But you're right, back to the music room. 

Well come on Dave. You installed the foam pipe insulation first and your system will be the most sensitive. So what effect has it had? My matching grey (to SuperLumina) Wicks foam pipe insulation risers have had a significant effect (I think) but I will let you go first and tell the Naim World!

Don't be shy - share all.

nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:
nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:

Inevitably, after reading through this topic, I visited the plumbers merchant yesterday, and purchased, for an outlay of 98p, a 2m length of foam pipe insulation, which I then cut into 2" chunks and lifted my speaker cables off the wooden floor in the music room.

Any improvement?

Who knows, but it'll be the cheapest upgrade yet which didn't work! 

Dave, for heavens sake, please stop making such posts! I have just caught myself in Wicks buying foam pipe insulation, although I think I was ripped off at 99p for a 1m length. ALL my cables are now off the ground, well those in the listening room.

Having a first listen to my upgraded system now so we'll see if I can detect any change. If not, I amused myself for an hour on my day off while listening to some great music.

Please, no more tweakery. These trips to the DIY store are distracting me from listening to music - remember, the reason we have a HiFi in the first place. 

Well, you started it!

But you're right, back to the music room. 

Well come on Dave. You installed the foam pipe insulation first and your system will be the most sensitive. So what effect has it had? My matching grey (to SuperLumina) Wicks foam pipe insulation risers have had a significant effect (I think) but I will let you go first and tell the Naim World!

Don't be shy - share all.

Hi Nigel,

I can't really say whether the latest upgrade has improved SQ chez Dave, though there might just be a discernible lift as far as the speaker cables are concerned ........ well, a 2" lift at least.

The floor is yours .......... 

dave marshall posted:
nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:
nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:

Inevitably, after reading through this topic, I visited the plumbers merchant yesterday, and purchased, for an outlay of 98p, a 2m length of foam pipe insulation, which I then cut into 2" chunks and lifted my speaker cables off the wooden floor in the music room.

Any improvement?

Who knows, but it'll be the cheapest upgrade yet which didn't work! 

Dave, for heavens sake, please stop making such posts! I have just caught myself in Wicks buying foam pipe insulation, although I think I was ripped off at 99p for a 1m length. ALL my cables are now off the ground, well those in the listening room.

Having a first listen to my upgraded system now so we'll see if I can detect any change. If not, I amused myself for an hour on my day off while listening to some great music.

Please, no more tweakery. These trips to the DIY store are distracting me from listening to music - remember, the reason we have a HiFi in the first place. 

Well, you started it!

But you're right, back to the music room. 

Well come on Dave. You installed the foam pipe insulation first and your system will be the most sensitive. So what effect has it had? My matching grey (to SuperLumina) Wicks foam pipe insulation risers have had a significant effect (I think) but I will let you go first and tell the Naim World!

Don't be shy - share all.

Hi Nigel,

I can't really say whether the latest upgrade has improved SQ chez Dave, though there might just be a discernible lift as far as the speaker cables are concerned ........ well, a 2" lift at least.

The floor is yours .......... 

As you suggest Dave, the difference is not huge but I think I do decern a nice change. I would have thought lifting cables (power and speaker in my case) would most likely affect the bass but, if there is a difference, it is more in the upper frequencies where I believe things are a fraction sharper (in a good way) with a tad better definition, a tiny bit more polished if you like. This may be my imagination, but I think I am enjoying a wee more PRaT also.

This of course could all be self delusion, but the foam is staying.

nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:
nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:
nigelb posted:
dave marshall posted:

Inevitably, after reading through this topic, I visited the plumbers merchant yesterday, and purchased, for an outlay of 98p, a 2m length of foam pipe insulation, which I then cut into 2" chunks and lifted my speaker cables off the wooden floor in the music room.

Any improvement?

Who knows, but it'll be the cheapest upgrade yet which didn't work! 

Dave, for heavens sake, please stop making such posts! I have just caught myself in Wicks buying foam pipe insulation, although I think I was ripped off at 99p for a 1m length. ALL my cables are now off the ground, well those in the listening room.

Having a first listen to my upgraded system now so we'll see if I can detect any change. If not, I amused myself for an hour on my day off while listening to some great music.

Please, no more tweakery. These trips to the DIY store are distracting me from listening to music - remember, the reason we have a HiFi in the first place. 

Well, you started it!

But you're right, back to the music room. 

Well come on Dave. You installed the foam pipe insulation first and your system will be the most sensitive. So what effect has it had? My matching grey (to SuperLumina) Wicks foam pipe insulation risers have had a significant effect (I think) but I will let you go first and tell the Naim World!

Don't be shy - share all.

Hi Nigel,

I can't really say whether the latest upgrade has improved SQ chez Dave, though there might just be a discernible lift as far as the speaker cables are concerned ........ well, a 2" lift at least.

The floor is yours .......... 

As you suggest Dave, the difference is not huge but I think I do decern a nice change. I would have thought lifting cables (power and speaker in my case) would most likely affect the bass but, if there is a difference, it is more in the upper frequencies where I believe things are a fraction sharper (in a good way) with a tad better definition, a tiny bit more polished if you like. This may be my imagination, but I think I am enjoying a wee more PRaT also.

This of course could all be self delusion, but the foam is staying.

Ah, the slippery slope, Nigel, how long before you upgrade to audio grade pipe insulation, or these, even ........

      .........and they're only £840.00 for six!!!!!!

The fun simply never stops. 

Thanks Dave, I think I have spotted a business opportunity here which involves snipping up foam pipe insulation, some fancy packaging and a dollop of hype. Should be able to undercut the competition and still make a few quid. You must let me know where you got your foam tubes from, I think I was done! 

nigelb posted:

Thanks Dave, I think I have spotted a business opportunity here which involves snipping up foam pipe insulation, some fancy packaging and a dollop of hype. Should be able to undercut the competition and still make a few quid. You must let me know where you got your foam tubes from, I think I was done! 

Mine came from a local plumbers' merchant, seems as if I captured something of a bargain.

I'll look into crowdfunding to get the business off the ground, ....... a couple of million ought to be enough to get things going, taking into account research and development costs ............. sounds like a winner to me! 

dave marshall posted:
james n posted:

You guys need to think outside the box a bit - 

Plentiful supply (especially if you enjoy a Friday night curry...) . Should get your margins up Nigel 

 

See what happens if you let the cat out of the bag?

OK, cancel the crowdfunding idea. 

D'oh, should have kept my mouth shut. Now James is going to undercut me!

How annoying. 

Maybe James will go for a licensing agreement?

When i replaced the carpet in my lounge with machined timber flooring i removed the orginal timber skirting and installed 2 compartment skirting trunking throughout instead. I don't know if it is particularly audiophile but it is tidy!   

IMO, the key to proper foam and/or cardboard speaker cable lifter installation is height.

Too tall, and they can tip over. Too short, and it is hard to vacuum (or dust) the floor.

Predictably, I use...drum roll...wall hooks (and rubber bands).  

james n posted:

I understand what you are saying Chris. The foam is very compliant so really does provide minimal pressure just to stop the slow sag and still allow a generous bend radius to not stress the USB A socket. 

TBH, USB A and fairly inflexible cables aren't a good combination and from a pure connectivity point of view i prefer the more flexible Chord Silver Plus. From a SQ point of view the Sig TA works better for me. At least with Burndy cables, once you've preformed them they tend to stay in shape but they do prefer to hang. My old 300 was very sensitive to Burndy dressing. 

Forget bits of foam, what you need is NAILS!

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

How is a bloke supposed to make a dishonest buck these days?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Simple: artisan, hand-crafted nails lovingly covered in hand-attached audiophile, natural foam.... (nautral as in coming from a small island in the Pacific, farmed in an organic and sustainable way, with no child labour involved)....

nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

How is a bloke supposed to make a dishonest buck these days?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Just gold plate them and dip them in some of your snake oil. You can charge what you like for them, then!

Adam Zielinski posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Simple: artisan, hand-crafted nails lovingly covered in hand-attached audiophile, natural foam.... (nautral as in coming from a small island in the Pacific, farmed in an organic and sustainable way, with no child labour involved)....

Adam, sounds interesting, tell me more…but not on here…e-mail me. Don't want anyone on here stealing ideas or trying to undercut us…again!!!

ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

How is a bloke supposed to make a dishonest buck these days?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Just gold plate them and dip them in some of your snake oil. You can charge what you like for them, then!

Adam, you have a challenger. I like your ideas, but I like Chris's too.

Guys, gotta keep this stuff off the forum. Look what happened when I blurted my ideas out on here!! 

nigelb posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Simple: artisan, hand-crafted nails lovingly covered in hand-attached audiophile, natural foam.... (nautral as in coming from a small island in the Pacific, farmed in an organic and sustainable way, with no child labour involved)....

Adam, sounds interesting, tell me more…but not on here…e-mail me. Don't want anyone on here stealing ideas or trying to undercut us…again!!!

Come on guys, get a grip! You get the cheapest nails/pipe insulation you can find in Screwfix. Once it's been snake oiled, it'll be worth a million dollars.

nigelb posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

How is a bloke supposed to make a dishonest buck these days?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Just gold plate them and dip them in some of your snake oil. You can charge what you like for them, then!

Adam, you have a challenger. I like your ideas, but I like Chris's too.

Guys, gotta keep this stuff off the forum. Look what happened when I blurted my ideas out on here!! 

Not really - my 'artisan' description already assumed the nails would be plated and snake oill would be hand-massaged into them. Various price points would be applied by providing alternative platings: silver, rhodium, gold and for the ultimate in sound quality ruthenium.

ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Simple: artisan, hand-crafted nails lovingly covered in hand-attached audiophile, natural foam.... (nautral as in coming from a small island in the Pacific, farmed in an organic and sustainable way, with no child labour involved)....

Adam, sounds interesting, tell me more…but not on here…e-mail me. Don't want anyone on here stealing ideas or trying to undercut us…again!!!

Come on guys, get a grip! You get the cheapest nails/pipe insulation you can find in Screwfix. Once it's been snake oiled, it'll be worth a million dollars.

Yeah..OK…but where do you get this snake oil stuff from?

Meet me at the Pie and Mash shop on the Old Kent Road at 12.00 midday tomorrow and tell me then! I'm going with you Chris. Watch out for that Adam, he can be sneaky!

Sorry Adam, this is a cut-throat business. Hope you understand.

Adam Zielinski posted:
nigelb posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

How is a bloke supposed to make a dishonest buck these days?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Just gold plate them and dip them in some of your snake oil. You can charge what you like for them, then!

Adam, you have a challenger. I like your ideas, but I like Chris's too.

Guys, gotta keep this stuff off the forum. Look what happened when I blurted my ideas out on here!! 

Not really - my 'artisan' description already assumed the nails would be plated and snake oill would be hand-massaged into them. Various price points would be applied by providing alternative platings: silver, rhodium, gold and for the ultimate in sound quality ruthenium.

Sounds too expensive. Sorry but I am going with Chris on this. No hard feelings!

nigelb posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Simple: artisan, hand-crafted nails lovingly covered in hand-attached audiophile, natural foam.... (nautral as in coming from a small island in the Pacific, farmed in an organic and sustainable way, with no child labour involved)....

Adam, sounds interesting, tell me more…but not on here…e-mail me. Don't want anyone on here stealing ideas or trying to undercut us…again!!!

Come on guys, get a grip! You get the cheapest nails/pipe insulation you can find in Screwfix. Once it's been snake oiled, it'll be worth a million dollars.

Yeah..OK…but where do you get this snake oil stuff from?

Meet me at the Pie and Mash shop on the Old Kent Road at 12.00 midday tomorrow and tell me then! I'm going with you Chris. Watch out for that Adam, he can be sneaky!

Sorry Adam, this is a cut-throat business. Hope you understand.

Is that the one next door to the barbers shop where you're meeting Adam at 11.00?

ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:
ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
nigelb posted:

Nails!….Nails! That is even cheaper than James' solution. How am I supposed to launch my over-hyped, over-priced foam pipe insulation based cable riser business when you lot keep undercutting me with low priced options?

The snake oil business ain't what is used to be!

Simple: artisan, hand-crafted nails lovingly covered in hand-attached audiophile, natural foam.... (nautral as in coming from a small island in the Pacific, farmed in an organic and sustainable way, with no child labour involved)....

Adam, sounds interesting, tell me more…but not on here…e-mail me. Don't want anyone on here stealing ideas or trying to undercut us…again!!!

Come on guys, get a grip! You get the cheapest nails/pipe insulation you can find in Screwfix. Once it's been snake oiled, it'll be worth a million dollars.

Yeah..OK…but where do you get this snake oil stuff from?

Meet me at the Pie and Mash shop on the Old Kent Road at 12.00 midday tomorrow and tell me then! I'm going with you Chris. Watch out for that Adam, he can be sneaky!

Sorry Adam, this is a cut-throat business. Hope you understand.

Is that the one next door to the barbers shop where you're meeting Adam at 11.00?

Err…how did you know about that?

I see what's happening here. You and Adam are getting together on this and are cutting me out! You swines!

I'm outta here!

ChrisSU posted:
nigelb posted:

Guys, only kidding. Meet me at the Pie and Mash shop and the pies are on me!

Funny, we haven't heard from Adam since about lunchtime.........

Could it be he is busy making cheap cable risers he intends to sell at fancy prices. Or maybe he has already visited the Pie & Mash shop?

Adam - where are you?

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