PowerLine or...?

Hungryhalibut posted:

Have you already got dedicated mains? Have you got a good stand? Have you thought of DRing your power amp? All will be more beneficial than a power line. 

I have dedicated mains, a FurutechFT-SWS NCF (R) waiting to be installed and my 250.2 is due to return from re-capping and DR-upgrade tomorrow. Everything on a Fraim. 

That's a lot of system you have there, don't use a powerline on other than the Naim components and start with the digital source unless you're serving from it, then I don't know if the client is the best place for it. (I was told off by a forum member for being imprecise with my terms around the subject of streaming using streamer for either the client or server so I've tried to avoid the trem this time).

Hungryhalibut posted:

Have you already got dedicated mains? Have you got a good stand? Have you thought of DRing your power amp? All will be more beneficial than a power line. 

I certainly agree with HH. I have Rega RP10/Aphelion + Aria, CDX2, nDAC +XPS DR, 282+SC DR, 300 DR into Focal Sopra N2. I did the others plus socket ordering in my bank of 5 unstitched doubles and cable dressing first.

I tried PowerLines but found that having them everywhere did not work SQ wise. Later I found the XPS DR and Aria benefited (but I preferred Isotek Optimum). I also found the PL Lite worked briallantly on the SC DR and 282 NAPSC, which should be kept away from everything else as much as possible.

Powercords take a long time to run in so patience is needed, but get them on loan. If you do it incrementally beware that one may sound good but the sound does not get proportionately better as you add more and in my case it got worse. 

The icing on the cake for me has been the full SL loom.

Hope this helps.

Phil

michael1702 posted:

Thanks! Which mains block do you use for them? 

Hi,

I use the Powerigel Plus as made by the German distributor. If you can get it in Austria nice and a good match for your Furutech socket. The Powerline fitted Netzleiste Plus is well regarded, but I haven't tried it therefore no opinion from me.

michael1702 posted:

Wanting to begin upgrading power cables I wonder if I should go for PowerLine or others. 

Looking forward to your experiences. Thanks!

 

Cbr600 posted:

Power line every time, and go for the full fat version, not the cheaper lite version.

 

 michael1702 posted:

Thanks! Which mains block do you use for them? 

 

Wow, that was fast! One Naim owner from a Naim forum recommends and tells you get the Powerlines and you don't even consider other options.

Why ask the question if you mind is obviously closed to other alternatives?

badlands posted:
michael1702 posted:

Wanting to begin upgrading power cables I wonder if I should go for PowerLine or others. 

Looking forward to your experiences. Thanks!

 

Cbr600 posted:

Power line every time, and go for the full fat version, not the cheaper lite version.

 

 michael1702 posted:

Thanks! Which mains block do you use for them? 

 

Wow, that was fast! One Naim owner from a Naim forum recommends and tells you get the Powerlines and you don't even consider other options.

Why ask the question if you mind is obviously closed to other alternatives?

I do consider other options. I only wanted to know where the power lines are plugged in. So I don't know why you think i already have decided. 

So what do you suggest? 

At the moment suggested are: 

  • Powerline
  • Isotek Optimum

It may be worth to check out Chord, I am not sure about the names of the not so expensiv models in the current range. If you can find a dealer that stocks Ansuz the X cable may also be worth checking out. I am going to listen to one of the more expensive power cables in a few weeks, from wall to mains block, and that is going to be really interesting! 

Claus

yeti42 posted:

That's a lot of system you have there, don't use a powerline on other than the Naim components and start with the digital source unless you're serving from it, then I don't know if the client is the best place for it. (I was told off by a forum member for being imprecise with my terms around the subject of streaming using streamer for either the client or server so I've tried to avoid the trem this time).

So you mean PowerLine to the XPS2 of the nDAC first? 

Filipe posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

Have you already got dedicated mains? Have you got a good stand? Have you thought of DRing your power amp? All will be more beneficial than a power line. 

I certainly agree with HH. I have Rega RP10/Aphelion + Aria, CDX2, nDAC +XPS DR, 282+SC DR, 300 DR into Focal Sopra N2. I did the others plus socket ordering in my bank of 5 unstitched doubles and cable dressing first.

I tried PowerLines but found that having them everywhere did not work SQ wise. Later I found the XPS DR and Aria benefited (but I preferred Isotek Optimum). I also found the PL Lite worked briallantly on the SC DR and 282 NAPSC, which should be kept away from everything else as much as possible.

Powercords take a long time to run in so patience is needed, but get them on loan. If you do it incrementally beware that one may sound good but the sound does not get proportionately better as you add more and in my case it got worse. 

The icing on the cake for me has been the full SL loom.

Hope this helps.

Phil

Got to PL on loan. So the next few days will be interesting. 

Mulberry posted:
michael1702 posted:

Thanks! Which mains block do you use for them? 

Hi,

I use the Powerigel Plus as made by the German distributor. If you can get it in Austria nice and a good match for your Furutech socket. The Powerline fitted Netzleiste Plus is well regarded, but I haven't tried it therefore no opinion from me.

I also heard great things about the Powerigel. The Plus must be great but a litte expensive at the moment. And I prefer flexibility. 

Yesterday I got lots of stuff to play with: 

First I tried a SwissCables mains block with a SwissCables Evolution. Wow I thought, never heard such a change in my system. It was too much for my taste. 

Then I tried the Netzleiste Plus: Emotion was back again and lots of details stayed from the SwissCables.

Next the Vibex Granada. Did not want to try it because of the price and was afraid it would be the best choice. Sounded great and calm but something I can't describe stood between the music and me. 

The Vibex 7R I wanted to try. Once with Vibex cable, once with PL. Not bat, but more "harsh" and much of the bass was gone. 

I think there's a reason to match naim boxes with their accessories. ;-)

Love the Netzleiste Plus.

wenger2015 posted:

Apart from the Powerline, i would suggest you also try the TQ range?  As has been suggested have them on loan from your dealer and see how they work in your system. 

 

Terribly hard to get on loan here. But ordered a Black Diamond BNC/BNC from Germany to try on the nDAC. 

Claus-Thoegersen posted:

It may be worth to check out Chord, I am not sure about the names of the not so expensiv models in the current range. If you can find a dealer that stocks Ansuz the X cable may also be worth checking out. I am going to listen to one of the more expensive power cables in a few weeks, from wall to mains block, and that is going to be really interesting! 

Claus

Have fun and please shape your findings. 

I don't see a stand alone DAC in your profile, I was referring to the HDX rather than its ps though it's worth trying it on either, It was very worth it on a Core feeding a DAC and earlier on a CD5x despite its FC2x. Borrow one and move it around the system, even the PSC, and listen to what it does, if you can hear anything. With a system that complex with all that AV stuff hanging off it it's rather hard to predict.

yeti42 posted:

I don't see a stand alone DAC in your profile, I was referring to the HDX rather than its ps though it's worth trying it on either, It was very worth it on a Core feeding a DAC and earlier on a CD5x despite its FC2x. Borrow one and move it around the system, even the PSC, and listen to what it does, if you can hear anything. With a system that complex with all that AV stuff hanging off it it's rather hard to predict.

Thanks for the hint. Just updated my outdated profile. The AV is a different system. 

I see from your profile that you have a 282.  While you're experimenting with the Powerline give it a try on the Napsc used by the 282. That's where I put my first Powerline (when I had a 282/SC).  I and my dealer couldn't quite believe the difference it made.    

MDS posted:

I see from your profile that you have a 282.  While you're experimenting with the Powerline give it a try on the Napsc used by the 282. That's where I put my first Powerline (when I had a 282/SC).  I and my dealer couldn't quite believe the difference it made.    

Thanks, definitely makes a difference! 

Currently have a power line on the NAP200 and the SC. My DR'd NAP250 returns tomorrow. (-:

Today I got the TQ Black Diamond BNC/BNC. Let's hear how it develops. 

Just to add my two cents worth on the power cable topic...

Just did a DIY job on my whole system that was cheap and has made a definite improvement to my surprise.

Paid a visit to MCRU and got a whole bunch of UK type silver plated mains plugs/fuses and IEC connectors and their 'own' brand 6 way power block also with silver plated internals. Power lamp removed and no filters etc. Have found it far nicer than using the gutless crappy power plugs we have in New Zealand. Used shielded Belden 13964 which has an earth trace wire also, so that is earthed out thru the plug earth pin ( mains end only ) Probably won't go down too well with the 'Naim is the only way' bunch on here but works a treat with my old gear. Better than the std cheap Naim lead for sure.

Like I said, just my two cents 

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