Qobuz on legacy platform streamers

nbpf posted:

I am not very proficient in using network tools but it does not seem to be completely trivial to find out the IP adress of the Qobuz server from which one is currently streaming....

Hi, yes unless you have good application logs you will need to use Wireshark or similar to sniff the network between your media server / proxy and Qobuz, and it will become clear... and you may also see why the socket/session is being closed... I suspect is probably due to TCP segment timing / PDU reconstruction  issues due to too smaller buffers for the latency on the end point or less likely on the proxy

RikkieB posted:

Just from my experience:

Qobuz/UPnP -->BubbleUPnP Server (on RPi)-->272 and using Lumin/Kazoo. It does work, but..it works for 90% of what I was accustomed to (Naim app/Tidal). If you pause the music and want to resume, both apps will start playing from the start. Fast forward doesn't work. If you press the stop button on the Naim remote, no luck, next track will start playing, you can only pause. Music wise very good, to me comparable with Tidal. Switched back to Tidal because of native integration in the Naim app

If you let bubbleupnpserver transcode the qobuz stream to wav on the fly, it sounds a little bit clearer, at least on my uniti1 with streamin board v3. Also I am able to seek inline the track with a new beta version of the server by switching to the naim app. So I think the next official version will work, too.

If you stop a track on the streamer side with the naim app or normal remote, bubbleupnpserver thinks that it has finished playing and offers the streamer the next track to play. So you need to stop using the lumin/kazoo app. This way the BUServer knows that the music is stopped.

pausing and resuming a track with the lumin app indeed does not work. But using the naim app or remote does work. After a while I have got used to it. It is not perfect but works quite good for me.

nbpf posted:
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

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Bloomin’ fantastic... the SQ, master permitting, is superb... and no real issue with dropouts... on my 3.8 Mbps ADSL access.. ( though we are actually now on the plan for FTTP)

True, no single dropout in months! Still, there seems to be an issue: sometimes, in the middle of a track, replay skips to the next track. If on the last track, it skips to the end. This does not happen very frequently but frequently enough to be very annoying. Perhaps once every few hours but, sometimes, also twice in the same album!

The issue has been discussed in a "Help Trouble Shooting Skip-to-next-track problem in my Streaming setup" thread in the CA forums and I have opened a ticket on the Open Source Projects system for upmpdcli-qobuz. It also seems to affect replay when Qobuz is accessed via BubbleUPnP server.

For those using upmpdcli: this is most likely an MPD problem that affects both Qobuz and Tidal streaming. I can be alleviated by changing the default values of audio_buffer_size and buffer_before_play to 2048 and 20%, respectively. If you are not using upmpdcli or MPD, no need to worry.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Could I ask how you get bubble to transcode to flac? I couldn’t see that option anywhere. 

The setting is in the renderer tab where you can enable the openhome proxy for a renderer. I think it is a quite new option so you have to have the latest version of BubbleUPnPServer (BUS) installed.

If your installation does not offer you an update (like it was the case on my Synology NAS) you might have installed a former version that has an update-detection bug. In this case you have to uninstall and reinstall BUS to get the most recent version.

If the transcoding option is greyed out you either do not have ffmpeg installed or the version that comes e.g. with synology is missing some options. I have installed the OptwareNGs ffmpeg version for this reason. You can find details on the BUS web page ("Synology NAS").

Quick update: Using BubbleUPnPServer I have been comparing Tidal and Qobuz - and to my ears Qobuz consistently sounds better and so I have decided to cancel my Tidal subscription and switch back to Qobuz... Qobuz also seems to have a better selection of EPs which I find surprising but pleased about.

Very interesting Simon, and thanks for the update. I assume I can install BubbleUPnPServer on my QNAP but will have to access the Qobuz external stream and locally stored music via the Bubble app rather than being embedded in the Naim app as Tidal is. Is that right?

Seems we have an alternative if Tidal goes pop.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Quick update: Using BubbleUPnPServer I have been comparing Tidal and Qobuz - and to my ears Qobuz consistently sounds better and so I have decided to cancel my Tidal subscription and switch back to Qobuz... Qobuz also seems to have a better selection of EPs which I find surprising but pleased about.

Can I assume that you are not playing Tidal masters? IMO, it is a step up in SQ with respect to 44.1/16.

Nigel - yes - I use the Lumin app as a control point. As far as QNAP I don't know - but wonder over to the BubbleUPnP web site and take a look.

Frank - correct - not playing MQA master... I have not been bowled over too much - albeit on my Tidal app playing through my valve headphone amp they sounded quite good (using first level software 'unfolding') - but most of my listening is in my listening room on my Naim - and here Qobuz streams are sounding better and more enjoyable - so Qobuz now gets my subs

Frank Yang posted:

Hook, you can do it as I do, hint - vpn.

Hi Frank. The last one I tried was ExpressVPN on my iPad. Installed it so I could use my US-based services while traveling internationally. It worked ok, but slowed things down and occassionally would hang. Can you recommend a stable, fast VPN for iPad?  Thanks!

Apologies to Hook, I deleted my last post regarding about how to get the Qobuz service here in the US, as I am not sure if it is the right thing to post such details here.

However, I think you will figure it out.

Think about it - if you are already a Qobuz subscriber living in France, would Qobuz stop you from listening to its service if you travel to the US for a vacation.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Quick update: Using BubbleUPnPServer I have been comparing Tidal and Qobuz - and to my ears Qobuz consistently sounds better and so I have decided to cancel my Tidal subscription and switch back to Qobuz... Qobuz also seems to have a better selection of EPs which I find surprising but pleased about.

Thanks for the update! If you play around with Qobuz, I would be grateful if you could give a try to Mahler's 5th by Adam Fischer and the Düsseldorfer Symphoniker. So far, I have not managed to stream his album from the beginning to the end without experiencing at least one jump. Best, nbpf

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