Source first.....you’re not kidding!

Finkfan posted:

I wonder how much of an impact the DR versions of XPS and 250 had? 

Even using the 272 ‘bare’ I prefer the way music is presented, but I also agree it’s partly about a chain-link of newer DR technology.  

I still think naim got something incredibly ‘right’ in the 272. The interconnect free synergy between streamer, dac & pre gives really enjoyable insight into recorded music.

G

Streaming is obviously a good format.

But....

I personally don’t want to just listen to music, I want to listen to music sounding its absolute best within my financial restraints...

So for me, an NDS is probably the level that I would want to have.....in order to achieve my listening expectations ..

But obviously it’s all about personal preference....

 

Hi,

My UnitiServ is broken and I've been looking for replacements ...

In the previous posts the word "streaming" is used quite often in a way that, IMO, is comparing apples and pears.

I went the US route as a convenient way to play ripped CD's (and perhaps hi-res) from my local NAS; a CD replay replacement if you will. This is not streaming so why go all the way with a network streamer?

If, like me, you are interested in replaying your own curated music collection from a local store then I think the comparison is between a CD player and a Uniti Serv/Core.

A network streamer is a different source streaming music from across the internet.

 

... so my decision is to repair and service the UnitiServ; a UnitiCore is 4 or 5 times the price of repair, an NDX2 is providing streaming stuff I don't need.

Next upgrade is either a new DAC (currently have DAC V1) and 252 (currently 202); orif it comes in time, a new N272 replacement.

Allan

 

Finkfan,  as Wenger said it will be interesting to hear thought on both the comparison of the282 verses the 272 plus the NDX2 against the NDS.

I hope you do get to a level streaming that you enjoy, I started streaming about seven years ago using non Naim streaming devices it was only when I bought my NDX which was originally used in a Olive system that I realised what the potential of streaming could be.

When I upgraded my Olive system some time ago I added a XPSdr to the NDX which took it to another level so much so that I sold my CD player, streaming is my only source and I find so much more convenient quite ironically I buy far more CDs since I sold my CD player?

 

 

 

 

Allan Milne posted:

 In the previous posts the word "streaming" is used quite often in a way that, IMO, is comparing apples and pears.

I went the US route as a convenient way to play ripped CD's (and perhaps hi-res) from my local NAS; a CD replay replacement if you will. This is not streaming so why go all the way with a network streamer?

If, like me, you are interested in replaying your own curated music collection from a local store then I think the comparison is between a CD player and a Uniti Serv/Core.

A network streamer is a different source streaming music from across the internet.

 

In order to avoid confusion, I think it's best to use the term streaming to mean the same thing that Naim take it to mean - and every other HiFi manufacturer as far as I'm aware, which is playing music sent over a network from a server. Initially, this meant a server on your own network, and the term was used before web based streaming services like Tidal even existed. So to say that streaming can only mean streaming over the internet is misleading. I would not class playing from a Core or Unitiserve over SPDIF as streaming, as you are not using a network, or a streamer. 

 

ChrisSu - sorry, I agree and mis-spoke The US and Core act as servers that can also stream directly into a a separate DAC. Still maintain that this is the most appropriate comparison with a CD player though.

 

I'd also still maintain that the network streamer single box is only required if you want to use the internet streaming services, otherwise the US/Core with external DAC is more flexible, allowing DAC upgrades quite separately from the streaming platform.

The OP's observations on their listening experiences would seem to support the DAC as being significant and why I've kept the separate DAC/US boxes to allow a DAC upgrade in due course … of course I might still go for an N372

Allan

 

Given the developments over recent years I would define streaming as playing a music file from a store somewhere. It can be a local store, connected via a network or direct cable from store to DAC (whether the renderer is attached to the store, or attached to the DAC as in a Naim streamer, or it can be from a remote service across the internet. I differentiate these as local streaming or online streaming. Streaming differentiates the direct playing of a file from playing a It from an encoded disk (CD) or tape, etc.

As for Naim “streamers”, I think Naim products are called network players, not streamers - or at least the ND5XS was when I had one...

Streaming simply means playing back sound where the source of the sound is elsewhere. Streaming as a term originated way back before the internet and networks in the 1920s and was a way of distributing commercial  music and announcements without using radio... what was sometimes also called piping music... 

These days streaming with digital audio tends to imply a client server relationship... the client is a media player, and the server can be a CD transport, a file system, a media server, either local or remote. So for example playing and controlling a CD remotely is an example of streaming.

Other than that it becomes product and vendor specific... with Naim their streamers are client media audio players using specific network application  protocols such as UPnP/DLNA, http media transfer, Airplay(2), and Naim call the devices interchangeably on their marketing material both Network Players and Streamers.

 

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