Speakers at Bristol Show

Shropshire Hills posted:

The n-Sats duly went to a new owner last week  - they still look immaculate after 9 years of ownership but it was time for a change.

I was preparing for a round of speaker demos in store and later at home. However, I decided to first try a pair of ex-dem Kudos Super 10As and they arrived today on a 30 day trial. After 30 minutes of playing music through them I think I have found my next pair of speakers. I will spend a few more days listening to them and adjusting the positioning but the improvement over the n-Sats and the Iotas is so great I don’t think I can be bothered to look elsewhere.

The cherry veneer would not have been my first choice but it has grown on me and the speakers are beautifully made. It will be a serious listening weekend and next step is to order some suitable stands

 o 

This might sound bonkers but I will suggest it anyway.

I notice you have a Nova with a 250DR and you like the Kudos sound which got me thinking. I heard a bare Nova driving the new Kudos Titan 505s (standmounts) in the unhelpful surroundings of a hotel room at the Bristol show last month and I was simply blown away with the music-making abilities of this very simple system. If the 505s are out of your price range then no reason to read further. If not, I would strongly urge you to have a listen to these although they are not on general relaease quite yet. You also have a separate 250DR which should improve things further.

Some might say that a Nova with 505s is an extreme mullet and plain daft. All I would say is have a listen before you make such a judgement. I could barely tear myself away from the Kudos room at the show, and that tells me all I need to know.

nigelb posted:

Some might say that a Nova with 505s is an extreme mullet and plain daft. All I would say is have a listen before you make such a judgement. I could barely tear myself away from the Kudos room at the show, and that tells me all I need to know.

It sounds like it's a very capable combination that happens to work very well together and makes fine music.

That's not daft in my book 

james n posted:
nigelb posted:

Some might say that a Nova with 505s is an extreme mullet and plain daft. All I would say is have a listen before you make such a judgement. I could barely tear myself away from the Kudos room at the show, and that tells me all I need to know.

It sounds like it's a very capable combination that happens to work very well together and makes fine music.

That's not daft in my book 

The 505s look fabulous and I like the fact they can be Active. Could they be used close to a rear wall ? 

NEAT Iota Explorers were sounding really good in a pretty straightforward system.

The Totem Sky Towers are superb - heard them twice now in different rooms and systems.  At Bristol they sounded terrible with the Rega RP3 but superb with the BlueSound Node and Rega DAC.  I think there was something wrong with the RP3.

Both Kudos rooms were sounding good too, but a bit pricey.

I rather liked the ELAC Adantes too.

pete T15 posted:
james n posted:
nigelb posted:

Some might say that a Nova with 505s is an extreme mullet and plain daft. All I would say is have a listen before you make such a judgement. I could barely tear myself away from the Kudos room at the show, and that tells me all I need to know.

It sounds like it's a very capable combination that happens to work very well together and makes fine music.

That's not daft in my book 

The 505s look fabulous and I like the fact they can be Active. Could they be used close to a rear wall ? 

I asked Derek, the owner of Kudos, that very question. He explained that the port arrangement (forward facing with clever channeling in the base to extend its length) means the 505s can be used a little closer to walls than is the norm but, as always, other factors in the room will affect how close they will go before SQ is affected. If you are interested the usual advice applies - a lengthy home demo is a must.

Boy, they sounded great though, even in a grotty hotel room with ‘modest’ source/amplification.

I can only imagine how good the 505s must sound as the super C10As sound brilliant even though they are sat on the floor until my stands arrive. I have resorted to slouching on the floor with my head resting on the sofa in order to get my ears in the correct listening position! Not recommended for purists but needs must

Hi Cyclo

Natual Oak would have been my first choice but my ex/dem C10A’s are cherry and, to my surprise, it’s a lovely veneer - the quality of the cabinets seems to be very good

Active would be fun but it would probably be cheaper to upgrade to 300 passive - less boxes  and perhaps better sound than buying Snaxo, Hicap and a second 250DR. However I wouldn’t mind having a demo of the active option sometime

 o 

Yes Bob, only one more box instead of three. I really would like to hear both options though. Not sure how many retailers would have that very specialist snaxo hanging around.

I was expecting some running in harshness with the new speakers but they are sounding great right out of the box. In theory yours might not be singing along at their best yet. Dealerships don't always clock up too many hours on dem speakers. I am on Partington Dreadnought Broadsides btw.

Mike

Not the same I know, but I heard a demo last year of the Kudos 707s passive with a 300DR and active with 2 X 250DRs. To these ears the active version won. Of course there may not be the same outcome (active vs passive) with the S10As or C10As, but it at least indicates it is worth keeping an open mind, although I accept the box count for active is a drawback.

Mike - Did your dealer recommend the Partington Dreadnought Broadsides? I have been recommended Atacama HMS 2.1 stands or, alternatively, Custom Design FS 206. I’m not sure whether to go with one of these or get some Partingtons

Nigel - I think a listen to active C10As may be tempting in the future if any Naim dealers have a suitable Snaxo to try out. Both the Snaxo and Hicap are half width which helps space wise and secondhand 250s seem fairly common. Anyway for now I will just enjoy the speakers for a few days in passive mode before a final decision on whether to keep them or to listen to one or two alternatives first

Bob

TK421 posted:

If this is of interest and for your info....

Ceritech Audio in the Forest of Dean have a Kudos demo day including the 505's on 24th March 2018.

I'm looking forward to hearing their combinations.

http://ceritech-audio.co.uk/kudos-speakers-open-day/

 

Thanks for introducing me to Ceritech Audio - I see they are able to supply PMC too as I would like to arrange a back to back demo of Kudos 707 and PMC Fact 12. Having heard both separately, and on different amplification (Naim and Bryston respectively), the Fact 12s, whilst being less impressive, gave a far more realistic and musical presentation. 

Shropshire Hills posted:

Mike - Did your dealer recommend the Partington Dreadnought Broadsides? I have been recommended Atacama HMS 2.1 stands or, alternatively, Custom Design FS 206. I’m not sure whether to go with one of these or get some Partingtons

Nigel - I think a listen to active C10As may be tempting in the future if any Naim dealers have a suitable Snaxo to try out. Both the Snaxo and Hicap are half width which helps space wise and secondhand 250s seem fairly common. Anyway for now I will just enjoy the speakers for a few days in passive mode before a final decision on whether to keep them or to listen to one or two alternatives first

Bob

Hi Bob, I have had a pair of  walnut C10s since 2008 (just posted on certain auction site if anyone wants a peek). At that time the choice appeared to be between the Partingntons and Kudos stands. Partington have been bought out since and apparantly you can only mass load the central column now and not the four tubes. I don't know if there is a truth to this but if there is it would make them less viable. Worth checking if you are considering them. Of course ideally my Super 10s would be on Track Audio stands but that would be some more saving up!

Mike - Yes I read somewhere that Kudos favour the Track Audio stands for their higher spec stand mounted speakers although when I asked them for advice on more affordable stands somebody there suggested the Custom Design FS 206. These have a central column which can mass loaded and 4 satellite stands to aid rigidity. The alternative suggested by my dealer is the Atacama HMS 2.1 which has 4 columns that can all be mass loaded.

You are a long-term Kudos fan and I assume you have found the C10As to be a worthwhile improvement over the C10s which are themselves well respected 

For the record, I heard the JBL 4312se with 202 200, and I think they are amazing speakers. I even like their looks. If I had the space for them, they would be in my system. I kept laughing like an idiot during the audition, that's how much fun they are. And, to previous posters, they're available in lots of countries in the EU.

cyclo posted:

Of course ideally my Super 10s would be on Track Audio stands but that would be some more saving up!

I've owned a pair of Super 10s for a few years now and have had Naim and non Naim gear paired with them over this time. If you intend on keeping these speakers long term, placing the Super 10s on the Track Audio stands will offer a very worthwhile and very revealing upgrade.  Other than adding a 555 PS to my 272, these stands made an immediate and significant difference. In my case, both of these changes offered the biggest upgrade. 

rightcoastants posted:
cyclo posted:

Of course ideally my Super 10s would be on Track Audio stands but that would be some more saving up!

I've owned a pair of Super 10s for a few years now and have had Naim and non Naim gear paired with them over this time. If you intend on keeping these speakers long term, placing the Super 10s on the Track Audio stands will offer a very worthwhile and very revealing upgrade.  Other than adding a 555 PS to my 272, these stands made an immediate and significant difference. In my case, both of these changes offered the biggest upgrade. 

And they look fantastic of course. I probably need to make auditioning these stands the next on the list.

Not sure if Kudos are developing new stands for the S/C10s but they certainly are for the new 505s. This new stand may also serve the S/C10s, or a derivative of it. Indeed that is how Kudos started like, making speaker stands. Might be worth checking with Kudos.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

My S20s are in natural oak.  Had them now for 15 months and whilst I appreciate the Titan range will do more but in my room the S20s are just sweet.    Going active...........let’s not go there!

Snap - mine are in light oak and I believe one of the earliest production pairs from the man in Leics.  Very big step up in performance, particularly bass, when I moved from Olive 250 to 2 x 135 - others have suggested they were "voiced" with the 300.  I'd love to hear the 505 or 606 in my fairly compact sitting room but I'm afraid I would be unable to let them go

rainsoothe posted:

For the record, I heard the JBL 4312se with 202 200, and I think they are amazing speakers. I even like their looks. If I had the space for them, they would be in my system. I kept laughing like an idiot during the audition, that's how much fun they are. And, to previous posters, they're available in lots of countries in the EU.

I had the 4312SE at home for a month and they were fantastic. I could have lived with them for many, many moons. Prior to buying though, I ended up listening to a set of 4429s which are in a completely different league. I now have a set of 4429s on the end of an LP12/52/250/Fraim setup breaking in at home. Couldn't be happier. Lifetime speaker...

BB

Clive B posted:
TK421 posted:

If this is of interest and for your info....

Ceritech Audio in the Forest of Dean have a Kudos demo day including the 505's on 24th March 2018.

I'm looking forward to hearing their combinations.

http://ceritech-audio.co.uk/kudos-speakers-open-day/

 

Thanks for introducing me to Ceritech Audio - I see they are able to supply PMC too as I would like to arrange a back to back demo of Kudos 707 and PMC Fact 12. Having heard both separately, and on different amplification (Naim and Bryston respectively), the Fact 12s, whilst being less impressive, gave a far more realistic and musical presentation. 

Thanks for the heads up TK. I’ve just booked a ticket. Maybe see you guys there I hope. 

Phil the Geezer posted:

The issue with the 606 is that once you have heard them in your room you cannot live without them. I have owned a pair for a month now and am in heaven. 

Phil, would you mind saying what source and amplification you use with the 606s?

TK421 posted:

Kevin

It will be easy to spot me as Stormtroopers aren't that common in the Forest of Dean. My AT-ST will be in the car park!

See you Saturday.

Mike.

Really nice to meet you today Mike. Did you get to hear the 505’s with the main 272/555PS, 250 system? I thought that sounded pretty darn good and might be worth you trying with your 200 in power role. 555PS will have had an effect of course but I’d guess these speakers might work well in a smaller room. Ceritech also have PMC and I’ve heard 272/250 combo sound sensational with Fact 8. In your position I’d give that a listen too. 

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

It was good to meet up with you too.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to listen to the 505's as SWMBO was ready to leave, although I would have quite happily stayed longer.

I was very impressed with the friendly welcome at Ceritech and as they are only about an hour away, I will definitely arrange a demo as per your suggestions.

I will keep you posted on how I get on.

ATB,

Mike

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