Florestan posted:Don Atkinson posted:
During what period did you live and work in the UK ? And during that time, where did you live and what sort of work did you do ?
I was born here and have lived probably 50 of my 70 years here and I don't recognise any aspect of your various descriptions of life in the UK, either as noted above nor in other threads in which you have participated. I'm aware of some of the isolated events that you have mentioned from time to time, but they don't translate into the distorted overall picture that you have painted.
I have lived and worked in a wide range of other countries including Canada, The USA, Sweden and much of Europe including Greece and the Balkans. Also much of the Middle East from Jordan to The Emirates and Oman. Plus India and Pakistan. The UK, Sweden and Canada all have their problems, that's for sure, but boy-oh-boy they beat the rest by a country mile when it comes to overall quality of life.
I note (as underlined) that some of your views are based on hearsay ! And I fully appreciate that my perceptions of life are based on my own (necessarily) limited personal experiences (as is the case with all of us) and my own limited reception of information provided by others eg books, radio & tv news items, the Internet etc (again, as in the case with all of us).
Don, I see that right off you are questioning my credibility Nope, simply inviting you to make a statement. Others, myself included, can then make our own assessments of the statement that you made and which I highlighted in red. and then for the cherry on top you go right for the insinuation that "some of your [my] views are based on hearsay !"I actually added an underline to your words "or so this is what I have heard" - In my opinion, this is the same as "hearsay", but please feel free to clarify the meaning of your initial words. I don't particularly wish to respond in kind as this proves nothing (your world vs. mine) but for the sake of context I will tell you the following. I do this not for comparison as it is clear you have extensive experience. There is some value in this but as you say, it is yours alone. It doesn't prove anything further than this. You may not agree with my views and this is fine by me. This sentiment is mutual.
Ninety percent of my working career has involved a direct relationship with Scandinavia, Europe (including Russia etc), mid to Northern Africa, Middle East, and Asia. The remaining five percent by default went to North America and five percent to South America. In the midst of all of this, I have had a time in London and in Scotland. Elsewhere, I have a little exposure to British expats working in Scandinavia, Europe, Asia and the Middle East. So I have some knowledge of the world and for your purposes, I highlight some connection to the UK and its people for context. This is as much as I will say about this and only have said this to satisfy your curiosity regarding my credibility. See my comments above.
For the purposes of putting this all in perspective, I now can say that 9/11 is roughly a mid-way point in all these adventures. I have said before that I am a very observant person (in my humble opinion)I'll take your word for that - on both counts and it is my view that the world was different before and after. The after part didn't suddenly change but it was an evolution that seemed to really take hold and accelerate around 2008 onward (starting with BHO II).
Pre-9/11, you could not have found a more Eurocentric (basically an anywhere but North/South America) person than myself. There was a point where I had to turn down an offer to move to London due to circumstances and I was quite beside myself about this. I thought the world of the UK leading up to this time. It is my opinion that the UK has changed though tremendouslythat is not my opinion and today I doubt that I would go near LondonI happened to go up to London yesterday to Absolute Sounds, Ham House, Richmond and Wimbledon.I didn't encounter any nasty people It is hard to explain how so many seemingly good people just changed for the worst over the past decade. That's not my experience in general, although I do perceive more people seeking "Justice" for the historic actions of the fore-fathers of other people and I do perceive more people keen to assert their "rights". But this is not unique to the UK, it is the same in many, if not most, countries.
And yes, this forum represents a little bit of the puzzle that backs up my assessments. This is not normal to scream at, shout down, demean, bully and curse at anyone who simply has a different opinion than you.I think you will find that one or two of us consider this last sentence is a reflection of your good self. Ask yourself what company thinks it is OK to ban a certain topic and any divergent views and dialogue (while they still hope to do business in that same certain country)? It is just insane madness how people are reacting and talking these days. This is a huge insult to 50% of your market but I think management here thinks nothing of it and strangely doesn't care because they are also part of and fully immersed in this rampant disease of groupthink and univision party line. Good luck with that.You will have to be more specific about whom you are talking. I have my own guess, but If it's a specific forum topic that is bugging you, then i'm with the "company". It wasn't the subject, it was the tone of the discussion. IMHO the tone of the discussion was unacceptable in a peaceful civilised forum.
In the pre-9/11 days, people still could talk and you could mostly not worry about being singled out for having a view contrary to the "states" official view. Not today.
As for hearsay, this is a blanket statement which is meant to give some sort of nasty perception I'm sure to cause doubt but I ask for a specific example that I gave that isn't true or that was contrived based on "gossip" or "rumours." See my comment above about the part of your post that I underlined. The names I listed above were normal, innocent people directly targeted by your government. I guess you all accept this sort of statism? Again, all is well for you until you become the target.
I'll stop here shortly because I don't think I will ever convince the locals here of what is going on in reality when you are maybe knee deep in the muck. You certainly aren't convincing me, but that is not because of the disgraceful slur that you have just made. And this is fine. Sure, free speech is fine. It reveals a lot about character.
The real turning point for me has been the rise of (left wing) politicians who now signal to a base that it is open season on those who oppose them. I could write a book and list hundreds of examples but I'll stop with just two. Just a peak so you get the picture. The first is Hillary Clinton declaring that those who wouldn't vote for her are part of the basket of deplorables. The second is BHO II targeting Christians by sending the IRS after them. I won't give any examples related directly about the UK as I don't want to further incense anyone.
Then when you have news organizations doing jumping jacks and acting as spokespeople (rather than journalist) this is way beyond what I can stomach. No longer will I sit back though and allow a government or partisan hacks tell me what I can think or say. The only consolation I have is the knowledge that eventually the left-wing ideologues will eat each other up.
You might find you have a few sympathisers on this forum concerning the comments I have highlighted in blue.