Time for a change??

Blimey, it seems a while since I have posted here looking for an upgrade but ten years fly by 

 

So whats changed, I am sitting here listening to Steve Wilson's latest thinking, yeah, its good but maybe it could be better.  So where to start?  I am not looking to change the front end, the CD555, Roksan TMS and NAT 01 IMO can't be bettered, well not this side of £50K!  The 552/500 to me, still powers the system admirably. So maybe its time to look at changing the speakers. Those that know me, will know I went on a long search for speakers many years ago and I thought I was thinking my speakers would last a lifetime so why the itchy paws. Well I am sure things move on and I am starting to hear better  

Therefore advice gentlemen please, its not something I am going to rush into, us Polar bears have all the time in the world 

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My experience in no way matches yours so I feel a little uncomfortable offering advice on speakers.

All I will say is that I have heard one of the new kids on the block on more than one occasion, namely the new Kudos Titans, specially 505s, 606s, and 707s, the latter in both passive and active modes with Naim amplification. Very impressive and well worth consideration I would have thought.

nigelb posted:

My experience in no way matches yours so I feel a little uncomfortable offering advice on speakers.

All I will say is that I have heard one of the new kids on the block on more than one occasion, namely the new Kudos Titans, specially 505s, 606s, and 707s, the latter in both passive and active modes with Naim amplification. Very impressive and well worth consideration I would have thought.

Hi Nigel,

i have heard the new Kudos a few times now and I must admit that they do appeal. The new ones have moved on from the originals I had here a few years ago.

dave marshall posted:

I've listened to Kudos Titan 707's and was very impressed, so I would certainly add them to your shortlist ..................... not forgetting Neat XL10's, of course .................... but then you knew I'd suggest these! 

I knew you would suggest Neats Dave, been there, had a fantastic pair of MF 9’s but you knew that 😃

Hi PB,

Good to see you back roaming in these parts again

Can the guys at ART do anything to tweak them further - crossover - drivers ?

Don't know what to suggest Loudspeaker wise apart from Wilson - Magico - Audionote - Focal ?

Has the 552 - 500 been DR'd ?

Maybe listen to some Vitus or Audionote   

Wishing you and Kaz a fine weekend

Cheers Ian  

Tabby cat posted:

Hi PB,

Good to see you back roaming in these parts again

Can the guys at ART do anything to tweak them further - crossover - drivers ?

Don't know what to suggest Loudspeaker wise apart from Wilson - Magico - Audionote - Focal ?

Has the 552 - 500 been DR'd ?

Maybe listen to some Vitus or Audionote   

Wishing you and Kaz a fine weekend

Cheers Ian  

Hello Ian,

i think the ART’s have been through enough changes, what I don’t want to take them too far.

 

i don’t think Focals will suit, I still haven’t heard a pair I would consider. The same with Wilson’s, they would be a backward step. Magico’s appeal but don’t know much about them.

ATC’s mat be worth revisiting.

I have never been impressed with Vitus or Audionote.

The 552 and 500’s are originals, they haven’t been DR’d but will be at some point,

 

all the best

 

PB

 

 

Polarbear posted:

Blimey, it seems a while since I have posted here looking for an upgrade but ten years fly by 

 

So whats changed, I am sitting here listening to Steve Wilson's latest thinking, yeah, its good but maybe it could be better.  So where to start?  I am not looking to change the front end, the CD555, Roksan TMS and NAT 01 IMO can't be bettered, well not this side of £50K!  The 552/500 to me, still powers the system admirably. So maybe its time to look at changing the speakers. Those that know me, will know I went on a long search for speakers many years ago and I thought I was thinking my speakers would last a lifetime so why the itchy paws. Well I am sure things move on and I am starting to hear better  

Therefore advice gentlemen please, its not something I am going to rush into, us Polar bears have all the time in the world 

Errrr.......... Polar bears are living on borrowed time these (global warming) days..........   I should make haste before the sun shines !

Polarbear posted:

The 552 and 500’s are originals, they haven’t been DR’d but will be at some point,

Although you have targeted speakers for change, I think money spent on DR upgrades, first on the 500 will give you a far bigger improvement than spent elsewhere in ways that may surprise. It will not be money poorly spent and will serve well with any speaker changes ahead.

So just a suggestion to sequence the DR upgrade first. I'd go 500 then 552 - I know 'source first' normally rules, but IMO the improvement to the 500 is larger and the 552 after will give you a better upgrade experience.

Also I take it you have re-torqued the driver of the speakers in the last few years, as sometimes that feeling of wanting a change is the gradual imperceptible month to month degradation of focus and resolution that drivers working a bit loose does.

This is not to suggest you may do better with new speakers, but at least bottom-out your baseline on where you are now and consider how to get the most upgrade for money spent. 

One bear to another. 

DB.

elkman70 posted:

If you have the space, which I think you do if I recall from your last speaker thread, then the 707s are well worth a look. They work well with my 552/ 300 so I imagine them to be mega with a 500.

Oh yes, I have plenty of space but I would like more, if money was no object I would go for a bigger listening room. The ART's could do with a good four foot extra on each size, then they would really shine. One of the reasons I want to get away from the ART's is that I want to get away from the two ten inch bass units. The bass units can become overpowering if not tamed!

Don Atkinson posted:
Polarbear posted:

Blimey, it seems a while since I have posted here looking for an upgrade but ten years fly by 

 

So whats changed, I am sitting here listening to Steve Wilson's latest thinking, yeah, its good but maybe it could be better.  So where to start?  I am not looking to change the front end, the CD555, Roksan TMS and NAT 01 IMO can't be bettered, well not this side of £50K!  The 552/500 to me, still powers the system admirably. So maybe its time to look at changing the speakers. Those that know me, will know I went on a long search for speakers many years ago and I thought I was thinking my speakers would last a lifetime so why the itchy paws. Well I am sure things move on and I am starting to hear better  

Therefore advice gentlemen please, its not something I am going to rush into, us Polar bears have all the time in the world 

Errrr.......... Polar bears are living on borrowed time these (global warming) days..........   I should make haste before the sun shines !

Don't worry Don, I will be here for some time to come  

Darke Bear posted:
Polarbear posted:

The 552 and 500’s are originals, they haven’t been DR’d but will be at some point,

Although you have targeted speakers for change, I think money spent on DR upgrades, first on the 500 will give you a far bigger improvement than spent elsewhere in ways that may surprise. It will not be money poorly spent and will serve well with any speaker changes ahead.

So just a suggestion to sequence the DR upgrade first. I'd go 500 then 552 - I know 'source first' normally rules, but IMO the improvement to the 500 is larger and the 552 after will give you a better upgrade experience.

Also I take it you have re-torqued the driver of the speakers in the last few years, as sometimes that feeling of wanting a change is the gradual imperceptible month to month degradation of focus and resolution that drivers working a bit loose does.

This is not to suggest you may do better with new speakers, but at least bottom-out your baseline on where you are now and consider how to get the most upgrade for money spent. 

One bear to another. 

DB.

Excellent advice as always DB.  The drive units get checked on a regular basis. Experience suggests regular checking as the bolts become loose quite quickly.

 

I want to change the speakers first as I want to set a bench mark. I know where I am with the 552/500 and will look at improving the amps after I have changed the speakers.  Thats the same for speaker cable before anyone starts going down that route.

 

Kind regards


PB

Fyne Audio. A new brand in town. The F1 10 looks tasty and has had some interest. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tb_-psDqmqY/Woc7dnFObvI/AAAAAAAAf5s/Lbv9WL3S2EYOuSfAPLUrbklLtwFI4xsNwCLcBGAs/s1600/F1-10.jpg

They are working on a smaller F1 8 (8 inch) and a larger one.   Could be worth keeping an eye and an ear out for.   Comes from one of the main designers for recent tannoy and hails not far from the ART guys.

TOBYJUG posted:

Fyne Audio. A new brand in town. The F1 10 looks tasty and has had some interest. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tb_-psDqmqY/Woc7dnFObvI/AAAAAAAAf5s/Lbv9WL3S2EYOuSfAPLUrbklLtwFI4xsNwCLcBGAs/s1600/F1-10.jpg

They are working on a smaller F1 8 (8 inch) and a larger one.   Could be worth keeping an eye and an ear out for.   Comes from one of the main designers for recent tannoy and hails not far from the ART guys.

I heard these at the Bristol show and they sounded mighty Fyne! The cabinetry is superb but they remind me of a Minion.

nigelb posted:
TOBYJUG posted:

Fyne Audio. A new brand in town. The F1 10 looks tasty and has had some interest. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tb_-psDqmqY/Woc7dnFObvI/AAAAAAAAf5s/Lbv9WL3S2EYOuSfAPLUrbklLtwFI4xsNwCLcBGAs/s1600/F1-10.jpg

They are working on a smaller F1 8 (8 inch) and a larger one.   Could be worth keeping an eye and an ear out for.   Comes from one of the main designers for recent tannoy and hails not far from the ART guys.

I heard these at the Bristol show and they sounded mighty Fyne! The cabinetry is superb but they remind me of a Minion.

Yes.  

And sorry,  but i think you meant one of these..

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/e5/d4/cce5d4f66f10385e85d5630f1f08c316.jpg

Hi PB,

Great to see you out of hibernation mate!!!

Not wishing to mess with any bears....I can't recommend and concur with DB that the DR upgrade. It really is night and day and would be interesting if you were to have it done whether the "itch" to upgrade the speakers still existed. After the DR upgrade has run in it really adds so much to the system "it'll blow ya paws off" didn't Michael Caine say that in the Italian Job!!!

Then if an itch still was there I would dem an S1 for quite a while.  Speakers can provide much more with each upgrade it's actually quite surprising was they are capable of.

Great journey, PB I look forward to following it mate.

Dustysox posted:

Hi PB,

Great to see you out of hibernation mate!!!

Not wishing to mess with any bears....I can't recommend and concur with DB that the DR upgrade. It really is night and day and would be interesting if you were to have it done whether the "itch" to upgrade the speakers still existed. After the DR upgrade has run in it really adds so much to the system "it'll blow ya paws off" didn't Michael Caine say that in the Italian Job!!!

Then if an itch still was there I would dem an S1 for quite a while.  Speakers can provide much more with each upgrade it's actually quite surprising was they are capable of.

Great journey, PB I look forward to following it mate.

Hello Dusty,

 

yes its going to be the start of another journey. I can see a few changes coming. DR'ing will happen at some point and maybe a few upgrades on the trusty TMS. I know there are a few goodies available from Vertere.

However I do believe I have taken the ART's as far as I want to and thats where I am going to start the next adventure 

 

Kind regards

 

PB

I am keeping eyes and ears open for new speakers just in case anything happens to my NBLs, which I like very much. Two speakers I've heard and enjoyed (and have made it onto my reserve list) are the Kudos 707 and the PMC Fact 12, although I also have a nagging thought that my next speaker purchase ought to be for something smaller, possibly stand mounted. I hope I'm not forced to confront this challenge anytime soon.

Hi PB, I'm with the others re. getting the DR upgrades, and in the order suggested by DB. However, I respect and understand your desire to change speakers. Obvious candidates are the Kudos 808s, but although I've yet to hear a pair myself I'd be considering Magicos.

Clive B posted:

I am keeping eyes and ears open for new speakers just in case anything happens to my NBLs, which I like very much. Two speakers I've heard and enjoyed (and have made it onto my reserve list) are the Kudos 707 and the PMC Fact 12, although I also have a nagging thought that my next speaker purchase ought to be for something smaller, possibly stand mounted. I hope I'm not forced to confront this challenge anytime soon.

Relatively speaking at least, the Fact 12s are smaller, and do allow some tailoring of response, so I think may be more able to use in a smaller room, if that was what you meant.

Innocent Bystander posted:
Clive B posted:

I am keeping eyes and ears open for new speakers just in case anything happens to my NBLs, which I like very much. Two speakers I've heard and enjoyed (and have made it onto my reserve list) are the Kudos 707 and the PMC Fact 12, although I also have a nagging thought that my next speaker purchase ought to be for something smaller, possibly stand mounted. I hope I'm not forced to confront this challenge anytime soon.

Relatively speaking at least, the Fact 12s are smaller, and do allow some tailoring of response, so I think may be more able to use in a smaller room, if that was what you meant.

I've just measured my NBLs and compared them with the specs for the Fact 12 and you are indeed right, but apart from the width, the difference is not that great. I don't wish to tempt fate, but I would like to hear a pair at home (purely for research purposes, you understand).

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