Turntable Wall shelf or vibration platform?

I currently have my Rega RP10 sitting on a MDF shelf.  I'm considering either moving it to a TT wall shelf (not sure which make yet), or buying some form of vibration platform.  My guess is that a wall shelf would be a better bet from a sound quality point of view?  Interested in what others have experienced.

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My B in L has one of the bamboo shelves certainly performs well BUT looks blood awful! I have a normal Quadraspire one and thats does the business really well AND looks good to boot. When I had a Rega I had one of their shelves but it may work ok but I felt the look and finish was not that wonderful. 

Mine is a bit of a mixture Custom Design Wall Shelf, Tiger Paw Vulcan board, Fraim style glass and Fraim Cups & Balls.

Sounds excellent though,  the biggest change and an absolute must for me with suspended wooden floors was getting it on a wall shelf, then swapping the Custom Design glass shelf for a T Paw board and adding the cups, balls and glass  added some more minor changes but was well worth doing.

Three levels Richard - two mediums & one small. On the photo - it sat on the left-hand stack where the Radikal now resides. Conveniently, when they built our cottage in 1570, they spaced the beams out nicely to accommodate a Mana wall shelf. Mind you, I expect in those days the turntables were pretty basik.

tonym posted:

Three levels Richard - two mediums & one small. On the photo - it sat on the left-hand stack where the Radikal now resides. Conveniently, when they built our cottage in 1570, they spaced the beams out nicely to accommodate a Mana wall shelf. Mind you, I expect in those days the turntables were pretty basik.

❤ I just love the look of your system,and the DBL's on Mana-stands.....whaoo 👍🏻. A member at our forum has contact (since many years),with John (former Mana-owner). This Mana-racks are faboulus .

We have tested the LP12 on three floor-standing top-racks at the same time.The guys who did this test, put the racks on EXACTLY the same place on the floor before every test.....the floor was concrete. Power supply on a separate rack,and the cabledressing was also exactly the same......not touthing anything etc. No Naim Fraim Chips,the spikes direct against the floor (concrete). The racks were.....

◾ Two medium level Fraim....only the LP12 on top,nothing more in it.

◾ Mana Reference Table,...floorstanding rack only built for the LP12,nothing more in it.

◾ The Harmony-rack,a Swedish top-rack with the best top-shelf,nothing more in it.

The Fraim......second place. ◾ The Harmony.....third place. AND,.......

💥 The Winner,...MANA REFERENCE TABLE. This Mana LP12-rack was in a legue of it's own.

The guy who own's the Fraim-rack also did this test in he's home,.....the same result. In he's big music room he has a wood floor,and the system is like yours Tonym.....active DBL. We also have a new Mana Wall-shelf that we shall testing when we have time. We shall test this Mana against,....◾Tiger Paw Vulkan, ◾The Original AudioTech. ◾Quadraspire.....and maybe ◾Finite Elemente.

Our conclusions/experience earlier, when we have tested things around the LP12 is,....the more equipment you put in the rack.....and make the rack heavier, if you have your LP12 on top of it.......The more your LP12 suffers in performance/soundquality.

And if you shall go for  the Tiger Paw Vulkan wall-shelf,...use the thinner top-plate.In our testings at our walls,that top-plate was better. But try and compare for yourself on your wall,this top-plate are so cheap so you can do that for best performance.

And for my "Stalker-group",sorry if this post is annoying 😉.

/Peder🙂 

 

Richard Dane posted:

With my Naimed LP12 (with CDS feet) I found that 2 medium shelves high was about as far as I could go before performance took a sizeable hit. For all that, I tended to prefer the Audiotech table, but it just didn't look as nice. 

Richard,....agree. Audiotech is GOOD,when I talked with Peter Swain (Cymbiosis) a couple of years ago he says.....If you have an original Audiotech, KEEP IT.

Otherwise,a Tiger Paw Vulkan is a very good copy of the Audiotech. But as Peter Swain said,....don't sell your Audiotech.

/Peder🙂 

Richard Dane posted:

Peder, did you ever try the Archidee stand?  

No,here in Sweden under the 80-ish and 90-ish, the Linn-distributor and retailers use and sell IKEA Lack-table and Audiotech for the LP12. Here is some facts about Archidee from the magazine Stereophile....

🔹 Description: Turntable stand, formed from rectangular-section steel tubing, with MDF shelf.
Dimensions: 17.75" W by 13.75" D by 19" H (latter figure approximate and includes bottom and top stainless-steel spikes).
Price: $200 (1990); no longer available (2016). Approximate number of dealers: 30 (1990).
Manufacturer: ArchiDee, Italy. Distributor: Audiophore, Chicago, IL 60614 (1990). No US distribution (2016).🔹

But now we have two....I say copy's,not exactly the same,but it looks the same.

◾ NokTable turntable stand,made by Tomas O'Keefe USA. Has a top-shelf like the Archidee stand had.....material = mdf.

◾ Isola turntable stand,made in Sweden. Top-shelf material = spruce (if google translate the wood-material right).In swedish the wood called Gran.

I know that the swedish manufacturer has had Audiotech as a reference, when he did the construction of the Isola turntable stand.But I don't know him....he has write about this Isola on the swedish Linn-forum. He said that it sounds better than the Audiotech,what else can he say 😉,maybe something we can test.....but in that case,after the summer.Isola and NokTable didn't know about each other,and they both came out on the market under the same month....if I have the right informations.

Isola cost half the price against the NokTable here in europé,I think it was around €349:-.

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Isola-description.

Description

“Light and rigid” has for a long time been the keywords for many HiFi enthusiasts when choosing the best sounding turntable stand for their beloved turntable. With it’s thin steel frame and light weight spruce shelf, the Isola-table sure fits the bill. And the steel spikes on the top and bottom of the frame decouples/isolates the turntable from the vibrations that inevitably occurs in a room, especially when listening to music.
From the design of the frame to the choice and thickness of the materials used, this handmade turntable stand has been constructed to give you the most enjoyment from your turntable. The Isola-table isolates the turntable from unwanted vibrations, making your vinyls even more fun to listen to!
Why a solid spruce shelf? Spruce has a high stiffness-to-weight ratio, and is often used in instrument making. And it has proved to sound really good on our turntable stand. Our shelves are handmade by a professional woodworker and painted with a black semi-transparent stain.
The Isola-table has been developed for turntables but works just as good for all HiFi components including streamers, CD-players, preamplifiers, poweramplifiers and more.
With its clean cut style, this turntable stand looks good in any home too.

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NokTable descriprion.

The NOKTable Turntable Stand takes the idea of the lightweight but very rigid turntable stand made popular in the 80s by companies like The Sound Organisation, AudioTech and Archidee and brings it into the 21st century. It uses the best of these design ideas, with superior construction and an improved textured black finish, while providing an even more musical performance.
The NOKTable is 18” tall including spikes and the mdf top is 17.5” x 13.75”. It is made of strong but light welded square-section steel tubing with strong, long adjustable floor spikes that can pierce pretty much any carpet and padding. They can also be used with footers like Linn Skeets on wood or tile floors. The NOKTable also has short adjustable spikes for the top and the solid top plate the turntable rests on is black laminated mdf.
While initially designed for the iconic Linn Sondek LP12 turntable, the NOKTable is an excellent platform for any number of light and medium weight turntables such as those from Rega, ProJect, Music Hall and numerous others. As long as the turntable doesn’t have enormous proportions or ridiculous mass the NOKTable should improve its musical performance. The NOKTable Turntable Stand is priced affordably at $599 and is available immediately.

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/Peder🙂 

My black ash LP12 sits atop a RA Torlyte shelf on Fraim glass, balls and cup, on original Audiotech, spiking through carpet to a specially created concrete section on the ege of a suspended floor.

Sounds stonking 🤓, but have to agree that it's not the most attractive.

Ravenswood10 posted:

Or a Quadraspire SVT in bamboo if you want something a little more SWMBO- friendly. Love mine - they even did an LP12 version for me and it goes very well with my other SVT racks. 

What exactly is an lp12 version- I,m guessing deeper as I have to keep my tt pulled forward on my quad wall rack so I can still keep the dustcover in place and tilt it up and not hit the wall behind it. Don't know what level your lp 12 is at,mine was just upgraded and I was tempted to go from lingo 2 to lingo 4 just for the cosmetics alone . I figured a lingo 4 could be "mounted"on the steel plate under the shelf itself,but I just couldn't justify the extra expense especially w/o hearing it and I purposely did not listen to it!

I would say for isolation purposes whenever possible siting a TT on it's own wall shelf or it's own dedicated stand is a must.  Once whilst decorating I moved my then Linn Axis from it's wall shelf to the top shelf of my then Custom Design metal and glass hifi stand with all the other electronics and the degredation in sound was at least at 50%.

Richard Dane posted:

With my Naimed LP12 (with CDS feet) I found that 2 medium shelves high was about as far as I could go before performance took a sizeable hit. For all that, I tended to prefer the Audiotech table, but it just didn't look as nice. 

Richard,

What, in your view, caused the performance hit?

rgds

Hard to say for sure, but I reckon that the higher you go, any movement of any kind is amplified considerably. I was always advised to keep the LP12 as low as possible for that reason. I just tried the Fraim stacking test out of curiosity. It wasn't that scientific though so there' always the possibility of a cock-up somewhere, like a duff shelf, or I didn't get one set of points exactly centred, or...

Bob the Builder posted:

I would say for isolation purposes whenever possible siting a TT on it's own wall shelf or it's own dedicated stand is a must.  Once whilst decorating I moved my then Linn Axis from it's wall shelf to the top shelf of my then Custom Design metal and glass hifi stand with all the other electronics and the degredation in sound was at least at 50%.

A BIG AGREE on that 👍🏻.

/Peder🙂 

Peder posted:

Richard,...I forget to ask you. Have you listen to the Archidee turntable stand.? .....or maybe NokTable and/or Isola.?

/Peder🙂 

Yes, I know the Archidee stand well, although I don't have one, just some Audiotech tables. As you may well know, back in the day, Antonio Trebbi of Audiotech distributed Naim and Linn in Italy, and when the split came, Naim's distribution was handled by Archidee.  I haven't seen or heard the Notable or the Isola, although the similarities to the Archidee are hard to miss...

benjy posted:
Ravenswood10 posted:

Or a Quadraspire SVT in bamboo if you want something a little more SWMBO- friendly. Love mine - they even did an LP12 version for me and it goes very well with my other SVT racks. 

What exactly is an lp12 version- I,m guessing deeper as I have to keep my tt pulled forward on my quad wall rack so I can still keep the dustcover in place and tilt it up and not hit the wall behind it. Don't know what level your lp 12 is at,mine was just upgraded and I was tempted to go from lingo 2 to lingo 4 just for the cosmetics alone . I figured a lingo 4 could be "mounted"on the steel plate under the shelf itself,but I just couldn't justify the extra expense especially w/o hearing it and I purposely did not listen to it!

The shelf is deep enough to allow the lid to fully open. The main difference is that the shelf lacks the brass sleeves normally seen on the equipment tables. Mine sits above a 4 shelf SVT rack and is an excellent visual match. The Radikal supply is on the bottom shelf of the rack. I also have A Naim  glass shelf with cups and balls on top of the bamboo rack....works for me although Alestair at Quadraspire prefers the shelf without glass. 

Clive B posted:

A problem I find with Fraim is tolerance build up the higher you go. The base might be perfectly level, but four shelves up it can be quite different. 

It's usually pretty small and also why it pays to keep stacks low - i.e. multiple low stacks as opposed to a single high one.  The trick is not to do the final tightening of the base spikes until you have the top level in place, and then you adjust so the top glass is perfectly level, and then tighten the base spikes.

Obsydian posted:

The word maybe somewhat cursed still here, but Peter mentioned Mana.

I still love Mana, but sold all mine many years ago, amazing stands, but like rocking horse poo to find for sale.

My Roksan TMS still sits on a Mana stand, I couldn’t believe the uplift over a Sound Organisation stand 25-30 years ago, and it still sounds great. 

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