Uniti Progress Update

We are over a week since the last update regarding progress on the Uniti Nova which was imminent a couple of weeks ago? And other members are interested in a Atom hdmi and of course the Star. Can we have another update please, would be appreciated.

Gazza

 

Hi, I received a call from my local dealer today, who himself had been phoned by Naim.  Apparently Naim Nova passed its final certification.  I also noticed an update to the Naim Nova web product page.  It has been updated with a few new high resolution photos. Although no support manual like the Atom yet.   All tangible signs we getting very close now for the Nova production release!!

John, if I click on support for Atom all I get is the drop down menu of questions, no means of changing to nova? Did your dealer give an idea of timing, mine is still saying some time in September. A s Richard said hopefully all we made clear in an update in the next day or so.

Hi, goto https://www.naimaudio.com/product/uniti-atom

then go to support in bottom left.

then under the device picture you will see "change device".  From here you can select Muso, Atom, Core or the new Nova.  Then manuals will change.

 No exact promise on dates,  but based on Atom going from certification to delivery it was a week to ten days.  So think your dealer is realistic to suggest September.    I placed a deposit in November'16 so hoping mine will near the top for early delivery in the month.  

Yes Gazza saw that about HDMI in the manual.  But when you look at web product page no mention it's an option like on the Atom.  Taken a screen shot just in case it becomes an issue! If mine does not come with it or they try and charge me extra will consider it a trades description issue!!  Naim you been warned, when I placed my deposit the only option was the DAB board.

Big John posted:

Yes Gazza saw that about HDMI in the manual.  But when you look at web product page no mention it's an option like on the Atom.  Taken a screen shot just in case it becomes an issue! If mine does not come with it or they try and charge me extra will consider it a trades description issue!!  Naim you been warned, when I placed my deposit the only option was the DAB board.

Gazza posted:

Yes also paid deposit on this basis!

Big John posted:

Correct I paid deposit based on the website specification.  No expectation that things being suddenly left out.  Was also guaranteed the 2016 price as part of this early order with deposit.

Aren't you both going a bit over the top here?  If Naim decide to change the spec thats within their rights (pre-production material will usually state that all details are subject to change).  Your right is then to not purchase and have any deposit (which is between you and the dealer not between you and Naim) returned.  I can see there might be disappointment and you might have to look elsewhere for a product but no one is holding a gun to your head to buy the Uniti Nova especially if the final device doesn't come up to your expectations.

As it is its probably a error on the website due to someone cutting and pasting the details.

Just out of curiousity; I've ordered my Atom in May this year ... I've just had a call from my dealer that my Atom will be available not earlier than the first week of September :-( 

But: I've ordered an Atom without HDMI, so I wonder if it wille be possible to retr-fit the HDMI option. And if so, will it be a simple action which can be done by myself or my dealer, or will the Unit need to be returned to Salisbury?

Richard Dane posted:

Klout, probably a question that only your dealer and/or Naim can answer...

This is covered in the FAQs section of the Atom on-line support pages on Naim's website. It says that an upgrade kit will be made available by Naim and you should ask your dealer whether they will be offering it (which to me implies that it's a dealer fit, not a factory fit).

Phil Harris said in the original Uniti launch thread that the HDMI functionality wouldn't be a DIY fit though (I just re-read it).

If it were me, I would probably get my dealer to change the order.......

best

David

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"Available to buy" which no doubt means that you can place an order and pay. And it says "experience it on demonstration at your local retailer" but it doesn't say when.

But I would be surprised if we don't hear very soon that they are at last shipping Novas, especially with both apps updated in the last 24 hours..

best

David

Dave***t posted:
David Hendon posted:

And it says "experience it on demonstration at your local retailer" but it doesn't say when.

It does actually say today.

I stand corrected. It is indeed in the title.

Anyway good for Naim getting it out at last. When I heard it at the factory last November I thought it was a lot more refined that the Atom (as it should be given the price differential) so it will be interesting to see what the early buyers on the forum think of it.

best

David

Gazza posted:

The Naim uniti Nova webpage now has the Nova installation manual, and support page like Core and Atom!

I looked, and whilst there is a picture and link when you try to click through you get "Page not found". This was from the Uniti support page - is there another location that works?

If you go to UnitiCore by navigating from products on the Naim website home page and select the "support" bar on the UnitiCore page near the bottom you get to the UnitiCore on line support wizzard. Just below the photo of the Core you can tap "change device" and then select Nova and that takes you to the Nova online support. I just checked and that works fine.

Incidentally this worked for Atom too last weekend when the Atom on line support stuff was down.

best

David

Very sorry, the page has changed, not sure why, there was a manuals download, and support. The dealers have Nova, my demo has now been brought forward to next week, they are now burning it in. Still no update, yet those registered get email from Naim they are good to go at the dealer. Still very poor communication......my dealers thoughts not mine!

Obsydian posted:

So aside from 80 versus 40W on the amp side, how else does the Nova differ from the Atom ?

Apart from the obvious - more inputs and outputs - the major difference as you might expect given the price differential is in Performance.  While I, along with some other forum members here, only got to briefly hear a pre-production prototype Nova vs. Atom back around Christmas time, it was clear that while the Atom was good - very good, the Nova was better still, really making more sense of the piece of music we were listening to. It was very hard going back to the Atom once you'd heard the Nova on the same speakers and piece of music. And that was a Nova that still had further to go in honing performance, so expect the finished article to be something rather special, particularly for a one-box unit.

Gazza posted:

Stilled owed an update, those waiting for Star and Atom hdmi deserve a timeline.

Nova shipping has been announced on Naim Facebook page, in reply to a direct question I saw: "
Naim Audio Hi Greg, Uniti Star shipping is planned for September. Best, Naim
Like · Reply · 2 · 9 hrs".

No question was asked about the HDMI Atom that I spotted.

Richard Dane posted:
Obsydian posted:

So aside from 80 versus 40W on the amp side, how else does the Nova differ from the Atom ?

Apart from the obvious - more inputs and outputs - the major difference as you might expect given the price differential is in Performance.  While I, along with some other forum members here, only got to briefly hear a pre-production prototype Nova vs. Atom back around Christmas time, it was clear that while the Atom was good - very good, the Nova was better still, really making more sense of the piece of music we were listening to. It was very hard going back to the Atom once you'd heard the Nova on the same speakers and piece of music. And that was a Nova that still had further to go in honing performance, so expect the finished article to be something rather special, particularly for a one-box unit.

I was one of those listening with Richard and I agree with what he says.  I expect that Nova compared with Atom will be a bit like Superuniti compared with Unitiqute 2. A whole different ballgame. That's how it came across to me at the time. Mind you, Naim were playing all of these loud, so a very demanding test for the Atom.

But I know which I would buy.

best

David

David Hendon posted:

If you go to UnitiCore by navigating from products on the Naim website home page and select the "support" bar on the UnitiCore page near the bottom you get to the UnitiCore on line support wizzard. Just below the photo of the Core you can tap "change device" and then select Nova and that takes you to the Nova online support. I just checked and that works fine.

Incidentally this worked for Atom too last weekend when the Atom on line support stuff was down.

best

David

Thanks David - this works for me. 

I just picked my preordered Nova up.  And first thing it did was download new firmware this morning.  Apparently all to do with certification was not approved until yesterday so they needed to wait before releasing to the public.

HDMI is also included despite online support manual saying it's optional.

Initial impressions are it was worth the 9 month wait.  Dynamically so much better than the ND5 streamer and XS2 AMP I was borrowing with my PMC 25-23s.  It's like the dynamics have gone to a whole new level.  Now for some serious running in, but to say I am already happy is an understatement!

Naim all is forgiven it looks like you made something very special.....

 

 

Big John posted:

I just picked my preordered Nova up.  And first thing it did was download new firmware this morning.  Apparently all to do with certification was not approved until yesterday so they needed to wait before releasing to the public.

HDMI is also included despite online support manual saying it's optional.

Initial impressions are it was worth the 9 month wait.  Dynamically so much better than the ND5 streamer and XS2 AMP I was borrowing with my PMC 25-23s.  It's like the dynamics have gone to a whole new level.  Now for some serious running in, but to say I am already happy is an understatement!

Naim all is forgiven it looks like you made something very special.....

 

 

Wow that' a concise no messing type of no nonsense review I like. Waiting for my Nova dealer said will confirm Tuesday, darn Bank Holiday ; )

Still watching this space Richard in terms of an update......Naim have got to sort out their communication! Too late now for Nova , but there are others who have orders for Atom hdmi and Star, Facebook seems to be more important than the forum?

UPDATE: so been listening now for nearly a day. Openness, transparency, detail, drive, dynamics, the sound is fantastic and has got better and better. That "Naim sound" description, we all so often use is best compliment I can give it. I still cannot believe I am not listening to separates. I would have to listen to some classics again, but my previous XS streamer and amp are left behind. Only negatives are I have noticed what I think is a bug with unit not always showing cover art when woken up via the IOS app. Also on a more general note, I was surprised that the functionality via the remote and unit front screen was so limited. I.e no Network Server or Tidal Home screen Icons from which to browse with. Also no fast forward or reverse within a track and no iPhone USB support. I sent Naim a note on the cover art bug and certainly like to understand if there any future plans to update functionality to be more on par with the older Green screen Uniti and streamer separates.  But the later has in no way distracted from my purchase experience so far.  I am still on the honeymoon.

 

 

Glad you are enjoying the burn in and noticing the improvement, and will be an interesting journey. No power supply upgrades as Naim say the noise floor is much lower with this new circuit design. The only upgrade is a power amp? I did hear Nova and 272/250, the latter did seem to have a little more control perhaps, but not night and day difference worth a few thousand extra IMO. So just enjoy and thanks for the update.

Big John posted:

... Also no fast forward or reverse within a track.....

Congratulations on your purchase Big John, sounds like you are having a lot of fun and enjoyment this weekend, and I'm sure it will get better over the coming days/weeks.

I noticed one comment you made about the Seek2Time function. Do you not have this possibility on all tracks and formats?

I know it is not possible with mp3 files on Classic streamers (eg. NDX), was it an mp3 file or FLAC/WAV?

 

Chris, no do not have this possibility via uPnP Server, which for me is a Synology NAS drive.  Functionally at the moment I would say new Uniti actually a slight step back at the moment compared to for example NDX and other green screen Naim streamers.   At the moment it does feel like two different streamers depending on whether you use the IOS app or the remote control.  Remote control is very limited as for example you cannot select tidal or uPNP network servers.  I should imagine this will change over time but its something to look out for.  I definitely feel like a laboratory rabbit at the moment.  Luckily the drug is showing such great promise on the sound front and already surpassed what I was probably expecting as an all in one unit.

Big John posted:

UPDATE: so been listening now for nearly a day. Openness, transparency, detail, drive, dynamics, the sound is fantastic and has got better and better. That "Naim sound" description, we all so often use is best compliment I can give it. I still cannot believe I am not listening to separates. I would have to listen to some classics again, but my previous XS streamer and amp are left behind. Only negatives are I have noticed what I think is a bug with unit not always showing cover art when woken up via the IOS app. Also on a more general note, I was surprised that the functionality via the remote and unit front screen was so limited. I.e no Network Server or Tidal Home screen Icons from which to browse with. Also no fast forward or reverse within a track and no iPhone USB support. I sent Naim a note on the cover art bug and certainly like to understand if there any future plans to update functionality to be more on par with the older Green screen Uniti and streamer separates.  But the later has in no way distracted from my purchase experience so far.  I am still on the honeymoon.

 

 

Your teasing us with your enjoyment ; )

Seek/cue, felt shame Naim left it out but if your saying the Uniqute had it, then that's just pure stupid. I have just been using the flaky app (stable at the moment on Android and IOS) to cue.

The app experience does mess up the experience, but the hardware delivers.

That works for loyal customers to the brand, but assuming Naim has/is growing, newbies will be less forgiving and they will see a high ration on returns.

I know Richard mentioned the difference Atom to Nova, but again I think the marketing blurb, flash presentations only convert more watts, surely Naim (unless it's something propriety) could say a bit more to do it the justice it deserves (hopefully I can confirm soon too).

Anyhow keep the updates coming.

Gazza posted:

I did hear Nova and 272/250, the latter did seem to have a little more control perhaps, but not night and day difference worth a few thousand extra IMO.

That's the interesting comparison, I think. It'd be daft to expect the Nova to beat or even equal the 272/250. But it should be better than a Superuniti, and the key question will be where exactly it falls between those two alternatives.

Earlier in the thread, there were concerns re the optional hdmi on the Nova. I think I have located the source of the problem. When you access the Nova support page, under one of the tabs "Getting to know your Uniti Nova" it provides a run through of all inputs/controls for the front and back of the machine.

The hdmi connection is labelled as optional, the dab/fm connection is not. It is clear that someone has simply transposed the labels here as, of course, it is the dab/fm that should be optional. But that would explain the rumour that has sprung up.

Display issue which mean unit goes blank after unit comes out of standby when using the IOS application is a real pain in the rear though now.  It got steadily worse and already dropped a couple of emails to Naim Uniti support for help.  I guess any potential order now may take a while to come through.  This will hopefully give Naim time to find a fix before you get yours.  Also having borrowed an ND5 for a couple of months when comparing to my New Nova despite the fantastic sound and looks of the unit, I do feel on reflection overall functionality (USB device support, lack of unit menu options from remote, track fast forward/ rewind)  is a step back.   Again hopefully this will change overtime and think the Core Server issues are well documented in this forum before being improved on so expect Nova to be no different. 

Thanks John, it's so disappointing Naim have dropped the ball......my coreplays music fine, it's the back office functions such as restore, USB hdd identification, back up etc are just hit and miss, well, documented from the launch. I hope with Nova and Atom they up their game. But glad the music is fine.

Gazza posted:

Glad you are enjoying the burn in and noticing the improvement, and will be an interesting journey. No power supply upgrades as Naim say the noise floor is much lower with this new circuit design. The only upgrade is a power amp? I did hear Nova and 272/250, the latter did seem to have a little more control perhaps, but not night and day difference worth a few thousand extra IMO. So just enjoy and thanks for the update.

 I wasn't sure from your comment whether you tested the Nova with a 250. Which version of 250 was used? Apologies for the grilling! I am pondering between Nova and 272. If the Nova was competing on its own against the 272/250 - that is very impressive!

No I was just nosing around when the Naim rep turned up to give a Nova demo to dealer several months ago. They were already playing 272/250 and just switched  to the Nova. My demo is tomorrow, and in the short term I want to put the Nova on my TVs stand.

Richard Dane posted:

Obsysian, I feel your pain, but it's all a question of space. At least your Nova plugs will now fit any of the big naim amps... 

Excellent news Atom gone and Nova in, bad news I assumed the pins would still work but turns out the width is less, so all ready to go and  ... all cables back to the dealer for another re solder job !

 

So all I can say for now it's a beast and noisy can hear the transformer hum.

Just to update anybody interested about my Nova demo/ speaker selection, today. I have heard the Nova twice before with a number of speakers from Focal n1 to PMC 25.26. The latter in less than ideal conditions.

Today myself and my daughter took our  Uniti core hdd to our dealer for a demo of Nova and speakers. We are starting from scratch, we have a Muso/core currently.

We listened to Russell K 120, then Kudos Super 20, we really enjoyed the 120,s. The Kudos Super 20, took a few tracks to come alive, my daughters Drake cd track bringing this tighter bass to our attention. We then enjoyed albums from Santana, Drake, Frank  ocean ,Mary black, SteelyDan, stevie ray Vaughan etc. This was repeated across all speakers.  

I have listened to  PMC 25.26 with the Nova before and felt they were lifeless, subsequently on booking the demo I was told they were not broken in. Today, the same speakers were amazing.

We then  listened to Russell k 150, a different presentation to the Kudos Super 20A, but did not inspire us like the PMC. 

To be fair taking the price differences, all these speakers are great speakers, it's down to the individual. For me and my daughter the PMC was just more involving, tighter bass, better presentation of the scale of the music we like.

Just for completion, I then asked for a NAP 250 to be added to the  Uniti Nova with a PMC 26.26 . This is a few hundred pounds more expensive than a 272/250, I have heard the 272/250 combo many times, and once against, just a Nova. This afternoon I did not do a direct comparison to Uniti Nova/250, as I had already decided to embrace the new technology.

As a long term admirer of the NAP 250, it immediately as one would hope tighten up the bass, basically everything.....

The  Nova does not look out of this place in this company. My Nova and PMC 25.26 are a couple of weeks away, and there is  still a serious upgrade path available for those with an ear for the journey. For those content with Nova and their own speakers, then enjoy a great amplifier from Naim capable of driving, speakers so called out of its class.

For all its foibles (problems unresolved) to take my spare Uniti core caddy  and spare hdd  with my music rips was perfect.

Gazza

PS I make no apologies I am starting a new apart from my Core/Muso. Years  ago I was CDS1, 282, 259,s, active SBL,s, but travel, career, family let it slip, either regret. Now retired, fired up, buying music again.

 

 

 

Thank you, apologies for a few typos at the end, daughter distracted me me with her friends who are already have their ideas for the Muso, down in the garden bedroom/ office. Party time I guess, will miss the Muso though, a fine product. We did listen to QB today, very briefly, no contest, I gained Nova, but lost my MUso, oh well....

Most important, in the excitement of the Post, I forgot to mention my dealer near Felixstowe/Ipswich who were wonderful. I was more pushy on narrowing down the speakers, we know what we like when we hear it. I was considering more expensive cable options, they will make NACA5 work in our unique circumstances, saving me a few hundred pounds. The demo was with Naca5!

Will give an update once installed

Gazza posted:

Just to update anybody interested about my Nova demo/ speaker selection, today. I have heard the Nova twice before with a number of speakers from Focal n1 to PMC 25.26. The latter in less than ideal conditions.

Today myself and my daughter took our  Uniti core hdd to our dealer for a demo of Nova and speakers. We are starting from scratch, we have a Muso/core currently.

We listened to Russell K 120, then Kudos Super 20, we really enjoyed the 120,s. The Kudos Super 20, took a few tracks to come alive, my daughters Drake cd track bringing this tighter bass to our attention. We then enjoyed albums from Santana, Drake, Frank  ocean ,Mary black, SteelyDan, stevie ray Vaughan etc. This was repeated across all speakers.  

I have listened to  PMC 25.26 with the Nova before and felt they were lifeless, subsequently on booking the demo I was told they were not broken in. Today, the same speakers were amazing.

We then  listened to Russell k 150, a different presentation to the Kudos Super 20A, but did not inspire us like the PMC. 

To be fair taking the price differences, all these speakers are great speakers, it's down to the individual. For me and my daughter the PMC was just more involving, tighter bass, better presentation of the scale of the music we like.

Just for completion, I then asked for a NAP 250 to be added to the  Uniti Nova with a PMC 26.26 . This is a few hundred pounds more expensive than a 272/250, I have heard the 272/250 combo many times, and once against, just a Nova. This afternoon I did not do a direct comparison to Uniti Nova/250, as I had already decided to embrace the new technology.

As a long term admirer of the NAP 250, it immediately as one would hope tighten up the bass, basically everything.....

The  Nova does not look out of this place in this company. My Nova and PMC 25.26 are a couple of weeks away, and there is  still a serious upgrade path available for those with an ear for the journey. For those content with Nova and their own speakers, then enjoy a great amplifier from Naim capable of driving, speakers so called out of its class.

For all its foibles (problems unresolved) to take my spare Uniti core caddy  and spare hdd  with my music rips was perfect.

Gazza

PS I make no apologies I am starting a new apart from my Core/Muso. Years  ago I was CDS1, 282, 259,s, active SBL,s, but travel, career, family let it slip, either regret. Now retired, fired up, buying music again.

 

 

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation! So what made you go for the Nova rather than the 272? With the way Naim seems to be raising its standards of performance I am wondering if the Nova is better. For example in an earlier post you reported a lower noise floor with its pre-amplifier section. I know you quote a price difference between the two; but that would be expected since the 272 doesn't include power amplification. I wish I could audition some of these options; but being based in Czechia limits the possibilities! 

 

Nova is £4099 includes power amp at 80 watt. Nac272 is £3469 and is mostly sold with NAp 250  at £3680. The Nova I demoed with , and without a Nap 250, which was noticeably better. But the Nova, was quite amazing by comparison at its price point into speakers, valued at £7000 (pmc25.26).

Thanks Gazza, glad to hear your thoughts and experiences! Also your attention to total package of sound, irrespective of "price match" for amp / speakers: I appreciate that you chose what you like based on what you heard. Best wishes for enjoyment at home once it all arrives and settles in. 

Regards alan

The nice part was my 19 year old daughter was with me and played Drake and Frank Ocean, alongside my Santana etc. She put it perfectly the Nova/PMC 25.26 was the combination that when she closed her eyes, brought the artists into the room, like a live concert....her words not mine. The addition of the Nap 250 was, a step up in tightness and control, and was what I expected, but nice to hear it from my daughter. A bit of a bonding session, except for my poor old wallet.

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