Upgrade bug/ where do I go from a superuniti

To add to Nigel's post above, there are two companies/people who do not wish for either their name, their company name, or their products to be discussed on this forum. Naim have agreed to oblige.

Any mention of either the companies, people or products is either blocked or removed by the moderators.

As for the rules - please read through if you haven't already done so.

Richard Dane posted:

To add to Nigel's post above, there are two companies/people who do not wish for either their name, their company name, or their products to be discussed on this forum. Naim have agreed to oblige.

Any mention of either the companies, people or products is either blocked or removed by the moderators.

As for the rules - please read through if you haven't already done so.

I’m sure those who have been on the forum longer know which companies you are referring to, but I don’t.  How can one find out which companies can’t be mentioned if they can’t be mentioned?

Jeff

Hungryhalibut posted:

If you mention them, you’ll be moderated, and then you will know. It’s a Catch 22: I could name them but it would be moderated and then you wouldn’t be any the wiser anyway. Just let it go. 

Yes, that’s the problem, contravening the unknown rules is the only way to know you’ve broken them.  Somewhat Kafkaesque.  Reminds me of The Castle.  

What perplexes me is why a company that makes Hifi gear wouldn’t want to be discussed on a forum devoted to same.  Which is really the only reason I want to know.  

Richard walker posted:

Could someone please answer the question that I placed ? About the non/forbidden naim hardware?

Thans

OK, after the Kafkaesque departure of this thread...

It's definitely not permitted to discuss modifications to Naim hardware that Involve DC or AC power, or internal modification to Naim components - the term 'modification' also covers the use of 3rd party products intended to replace Naim items as their use constitutes a 'modification' to the system.

The reasons for this are to do with safety, the potential for damage to the Naim components and reliability - it's actually a very sensible rule when you really think about it.


This includes (but is not limited to)...
Power Supplies.
Internal modifications to Naim components (even if no modification to the DC power in the box).
Case Fuses
AC Power cables
SNAIC cables that carry DC power between components (3rd party SNAIC replacement cables are known as "Fake SNAICs"!)


Some limited discussion of AC power supply to the audio system is permitted provided it's made absolutely clear that the work is to be carried out by a fully qualified electrician (for safety reasons).


This is laid out in the Forum Rules.

dear ministry of truth, for clarity  .. this is my original question could someone please advise?

My choice to improve the sound appears to be to add to my su ..

1. SN1 with Naim PSU. ( i will never , ever consider alternatives :-)

2. Add a SN 2

3 Add a 250 -2

which will give the best improvement and how are they connected using only NAIM APROVED AND BOUGHT CABLES?

please note- i am not a hifi buff and dont intend to become one, i came here looking for advice...  we live in the Black Forest and the nearest Naim dealer is over one hour away- 

In the meantime I have exchanged the speakers for PMC 20 25s. The older version this gave an immediate improvement , again advice from a forum. 

 

For each upgrade I dont want to be spending more than 1600 per upgrade if poss.

I am prepared to sell my cyrus cd1 and psx along the way.

By the way, bought a mac mini and run roon with it to the SU dac via a wireworld nova 6 cable and it is very close to the cdi.

 Thanks

Richard

Richard walker posted:

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My choice to improve the sound appears to be to add to my su ..

1. SN1 with Naim PSU. ( i will never , ever consider alternatives :-)

2. Add a SN 2

3 Add a 250 -2

which will give the best improvement

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Well "best improvement" is really something you can only truly judge for yourself.   Having said that if  you tell us how you wish to change the characteristics of the sound we may be able to give some general guidance as to which options are more likely to give you what you want.  What we can't do is to know how the changes will be affected by the room you use to listen to music and how you yourself perceive music (everyone's ears and brain are different).

The only way to be certain is a home demo (but a dealer demo is still useful).  Don't you think that investing 2+ hours of your time (1hr each way) is worth it to ensure that you're going to be pleased after paying out £1,600?

As the SU doesn't have a line out connection (only pre-out and sub out), using it as a DAC only won't be so straightforward - I assume that is what you were intending to do with an integrated line the SN / SN2?  This in turn suggests the approach of adding a power amp may be better,  However the best thing to do is discuss what you expect and what you want to achieve with a Naim dealer.


I hope that while not giving you a definitive answer, this at least explains why we can't give you a definitive answer!

Natuarlly i have been to the dealer several times and just get more options each time.

One included- add an oppo sonica dac 

The other, buy and Nova .. I think it is called and the other buy a sn2.#

Naturally he wants to sell me something new and I am loathed to visit him on a regular time scale not only because of the distance, but because a better solution may be to buy something second hand.

My objective is to add weight to the sound and long term move away from the su which now appears to be moving toward being obsolete. 

Contrary to my previous post I find that ripping my cds and using roon via the mac mini gives avery similar sound to the cyrus cdi hence making it possible for me consider using the cash from its sale to add to my hifi.

Richard walker posted:

Natuarlly i have been to the dealer several times and just get more options each time.

One included- add an oppo sonica dac 

The other, buy and Nova .. I think it is called and the other buy a sn2.#

Naturally he wants to sell me something new and I am loathed to visit him on a regular time scale not only because of the distance, but because a better solution may be to buy something second hand.

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OK, it sounds like your dealer either isn't listening or isn't being very helpful.

Richard walker posted:
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My objective is to add weight to the sound

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That sounds as thought the 250.2 may be a suitable upgrade path for you.  By comparison to other Naim amps it's sometimes described as having a slightly darker and slightly heavier presentation.  Connection to the SU is easy, it's done with the cable that comes packaged with the 250!  Do try and get a home demo though (i.e. sale or return).

Richard walker posted:
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 and long term move away from the su which now appears to be moving toward being obsolete.

Contrary to my previous post I find that ripping my cds and using roon via the mac mini gives avery similar sound to the cyrus cdi hence making it possible for me consider using the cash from its sale to add to my hifi.

Longer term moving away from the SU would require a DAC, a preamp and power-amp - there's a lot packed into the SU, but you can do it in stages.

If thinking longer term the 250DR is a substantial improvement on the 250.2.  It retains the very solid sound signature, but is less 'dark' and preserves more delicate detail; but it is a lot more expensive still.

The Superuniti is already very good and I agree with Huge that adding a NAP 250 of one variety or another is probably the most sensible upgrade of the options you suggest. And if you do have to do that without hearing it first, at least you shouldn't lose too much money selling it on again.

best

David

I guess this is not too far away from what the dealer was suggesting with the later adding of the oppo sonica, it has a preamp in it too. He had one privately and said it was great, but was only prepared to order one. I would be crazy to do that when it was cheaper via amazon. At least via Amazon i can send it back Seems like step one would be to find a 250 either 2 or dr. Hence my question about how to tell them apart second hand

If the seller doesn't claim it to be DR, then it certainly won't be. The DR upgrade to a 250-2 is more than £1000...Also if it's either modified by Naim or an authorised service centre to be DR or built as one, it has a prominent DR sticker on the back.

i don't think you can DR Olive, but someone who knows better may contradict me.

best

David

Richard walker posted:

On the naim website it shows the back, there is no mention of dr.in the image . In the product history it doesnt say anything either. There is the „olive“ version and then the new one

The picture on the product page has DR on the amp, below the NAP 250 label. David is correct; the olive 250 cannot be DRed. The going rate for a 250 DR is about £2,250. It’s worth every penny more than the 250.2 in my view. 

If it were me I’d add a 250DR and then swap the SU for a 272. Alternatively, use the SU as a source for a Supernait and then swap the SU for an NDX. Another option is simply to swap the SU for a Nova. 

Richard walker posted:

If I want to upgrade.... slowly.... due to cost... what are my options

superuniti is a classic, you can die with it imo!

Let me suggest another road :

1-naim powerline, electrical wall outlet, nac a5 (if you dont have already).

2-granite plates, acoustics panels, some anti vibration goodies.

3-turntable and phono preamp

4-speakers

5-Good vinyls stamped from analog master recording

6-better turntable cartridge

7-even better cartridge

 

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