What speaker cable are you using?

Vincé 2 posted:
kevin J Carden posted:
Michael_B. posted:

NACA5 for ages, but have changed to Mogami with the Shahinians. They time nearly as well but are much better on acoustic timbre.

Mogami here too, but then again, Shahinians here too. Mogami was suggested to me by John Burns of Pear Audio, the importers of Shahinian. He was right that it works much better than NACA5 in my system. It’s cheap too, but I have to say that I have no idea how it might work with other speaker brands. 

What Mogami loudspeaker cable please?

Vincenzo

2972

 

It boogies like NACA5 with only slightly less leading-edge slam, but has greater timbral fidelity and mid and upper detail. It also goes deeper and has a slightly broader and deeper soundstage - at least in my system.

^  From the archives:

Date: January 21, 1998 09:44 AM
   Author: julian vereker
   Subject: cable length
  
   This has been covered before, (try search), but to restate, NACA was
   designed for a nominal 10m length so that 5m - 20m would be fine, but
   3m is the shortest recommended.
  
   julian

Alba1320 posted:

^  From the archives:

Date: January 21, 1998 09:44 AM
   Author: julian vereker
   Subject: cable length
  
   This has been covered before, (try search), but to restate, NACA was
   designed for a nominal 10m length so that 5m - 20m would be fine, but
   3m is the shortest recommended.
  
   julian

wrt NACA5;

1. if the length of the required cable run (ie distance from speaker to amp) exceeds the actual length of the cable, is coiling the cable considered inappropriate?

2. I presume both cables should be equal length for optimal results?

The single most perplexing naim topic for me. NACA5 for many years on ‘Sunday best’ and more recently study system. Brief hiatus for DNM Resolution when I needed a longer (7m) run - and I liked it for ease of use, minimal visual impact and lack of discernible effect versus NACA5. And now trying Chord Epic Reference. Too soon to judge but I do like Chord cables and am a half-believer in cable upgrades. Just with speaker cable somehow I find it very difficult to isolate and characterise the effects. Methodologically simple to test but in practice a head scratch. Reading between the lines on this forum, I am not alone.

Michael_B. posted:
Vincé 2 posted:
kevin J Carden posted:
Michael_B. posted:

NACA5 for ages, but have changed to Mogami with the Shahinians. They time nearly as well but are much better on acoustic timbre.

Mogami here too, but then again, Shahinians here too. Mogami was suggested to me by John Burns of Pear Audio, the importers of Shahinian. He was right that it works much better than NACA5 in my system. It’s cheap too, but I have to say that I have no idea how it might work with other speaker brands. 

What Mogami loudspeaker cable please?

Vincenzo

2972

 

It boogies like NACA5 with only slightly less leading-edge slam, but has greater timbral fidelity and mid and upper detail. It also goes deeper and has a slightly broader and deeper soundstage - at least in my system.

Why not the W3103?

Vincé 2 posted:
Michael_B. posted:
Vincé 2 posted:
kevin J Carden posted:
Michael_B. posted:

NACA5 for ages, but have changed to Mogami with the Shahinians. They time nearly as well but are much better on acoustic timbre.

Mogami here too, but then again, Shahinians here too. Mogami was suggested to me by John Burns of Pear Audio, the importers of Shahinian. He was right that it works much better than NACA5 in my system. It’s cheap too, but I have to say that I have no idea how it might work with other speaker brands. 

What Mogami loudspeaker cable please?

Vincenzo

2972

 

It boogies like NACA5 with only slightly less leading-edge slam, but has greater timbral fidelity and mid and upper detail. It also goes deeper and has a slightly broader and deeper soundstage - at least in my system.

Why not the W3103?

It's very difficult  to fit in the plugs because it's so thick and they're are not reported to be any sonic benefits, but I've not heard them myself....

ynwa250505 posted:
Alba1320 posted:

^  From the archives:

Date: January 21, 1998 09:44 AM
   Author: julian vereker
   Subject: cable length
  
   This has been covered before, (try search), but to restate, NACA was
   designed for a nominal 10m length so that 5m - 20m would be fine, but
   3m is the shortest recommended.
  
   julian

wrt NACA5;

1. if the length of the required cable run (ie distance from speaker to amp) exceeds the actual length of the cable, is coiling the cable considered inappropriate?

2. I presume both cables should be equal length for optimal results?

The FAQ is your friend:

Speaker Cable for Naim amplifiers

Michael_B. posted:
Vincé 2 posted:
Michael_B. posted:
Vincé 2 posted:
kevin J Carden posted:
Michael_B. posted:

NACA5 for ages, but have changed to Mogami with the Shahinians. They time nearly as well but are much better on acoustic timbre.

Mogami here too, but then again, Shahinians here too. Mogami was suggested to me by John Burns of Pear Audio, the importers of Shahinian. He was right that it works much better than NACA5 in my system. It’s cheap too, but I have to say that I have no idea how it might work with other speaker brands. 

What Mogami loudspeaker cable please?

Vincenzo

2972

 

It boogies like NACA5 with only slightly less leading-edge slam, but has greater timbral fidelity and mid and upper detail. It also goes deeper and has a slightly broader and deeper soundstage - at least in my system.

Why not the W3103?

It's very difficult  to fit in the plugs because it's so thick and they're are not reported to be any sonic benefits, but I've not heard them myself....

2972 here too. Why? Because it was recommended by the UK Shahinian importer: John Burns at Pear Audio. That’s his recommendation for Shahinian speakers, but if you are using other speakers I guess it could well be that other Mogami’s may be preferred, but I’ve no personal experience of any other types.

Huge posted:

I don't know if the 500 is fine with higher capacity speaker cables, but 2972 is more than 400pf/m in total (when wired as opposite pairs)

That's way too high for optimal performance with most Naim power amps.

it seems to depend on which amp one's using. in a review of the 250DR in The Ear, Steve Sells of Naim says: “...you can put any cable on it. The last version, the NAP 250 Mk2 was also cable tolerant. It’s only really the older models that you have to be a bit careful with."

Alba1320 posted:
ynwa250505 posted:
Alba1320 posted:

^  From the archives:

Date: January 21, 1998 09:44 AM
   Author: julian vereker
   Subject: cable length
  
   This has been covered before, (try search), but to restate, NACA was
   designed for a nominal 10m length so that 5m - 20m would be fine, but
   3m is the shortest recommended.
  
   julian

wrt NACA5;

1. if the length of the required cable run (ie distance from speaker to amp) exceeds the actual length of the cable, is coiling the cable considered inappropriate?

2. I presume both cables should be equal length for optimal results?

The FAQ is your friend:

Speaker Cable for Naim amplifiers

Thanks Alba - much appreciated!!

Huge posted:

I don't know if the 500 is fine with higher capacity speaker cables, but 2972 is more than 400pf/m in total (when wired as opposite pairs)

That's way too high for optimal performance with most Naim power amps.

Apparently JV OKd it to John of Pear Audio for the big Shahinians

Just put in 4m runs of Witch Hat Phantom replacing WH N2 in my active system. Tidied things up physically as the 3.5m runs to the speaker further from the rack was a tad short and I was using 2 short runs of A5 on the closer speaker. Mismatched types and lengths; shock horror. Anyway only a couple of days in and everything is sounding greatly improved. Bass is noticibly richer in timbre although that might be a change in the midrange emphasis. Overall a better balanced presentation but with added separation and clarity. No idea if these cables will benefit from burn in but out of the box I’m happy thus far. Having an active system there was no way I could consider the likes of Super Lumina. The WHP came in considerably under £1k for three pairs. Maybe a lot for wires in the “real world” but feels ok to me considering the improvement in presentation.

Marksnaim posted:

Just put in 4m runs of Witch Hat Phantom replacing WH N2 in my active system. Tidied things up physically as the 3.5m runs to the speaker further from the rack was a tad short and I was using 2 short runs of A5 on the closer speaker. Mismatched types and lengths; shock horror. Anyway only a couple of days in and everything is sounding greatly improved. Bass is noticibly richer in timbre although that might be a change in the midrange emphasis. Overall a better balanced presentation but with added separation and clarity. No idea if these cables will benefit from burn in but out of the box I’m happy thus far. Having an active system there was no way I could consider the likes of Super Lumina. The WHP came in considerably under £1k for three pairs. Maybe a lot for wires in the “real world” but feels ok to me considering the improvement in presentation.

 

joe9407 posted:
Huge posted:

I don't know if the 500 is fine with higher capacity speaker cables, but 2972 is more than 400pf/m in total (when wired as opposite pairs)

That's way too high for optimal performance with most Naim power amps.

it seems to depend on which amp one's using. in a review of the 250DR in The Ear, Steve Sells of Naim says: “...you can put any cable on it. The last version, the NAP 250 Mk2 was also cable tolerant. It’s only really the older models that you have to be a bit careful with."

Steven Hopkins from Naim expressed to me in an E-Mail just the opposite when questioned about different speaker cables when used with the Classic series, including the DR amps and the SN2 integrated.  Actually, he specified at least one cable manufacturer to avoid. To say you can put any cable on the newer amps may not be advisable.

Might be a good idea for Richard Dane to chime in and maybe clear things up!!

The current classic amps will tolerate alternative cables a bit better than the older kit, but still they don't like anything excessively capacitive and/or of low inductance.  For these amps Naim still strongly advise to stick to their recommendations.  See the FAQ:

Speaker cable for Naim amplifiers

FWIW, I did try the Kimber 8TC (high capacitance, low inductance) I had used on a valve amp on my NAP250.2 many years back.  The 250 didn't seem to like it and ran very hot, so just one example of cable I would not recommend on Naim amps.

Marksnaim posted:
Richard Sellicks posted:

Hi I’m enjoying Witch hat Phantom cables on my Isobariks in Southend 

I’m in Leigh-on-Sea. We should compare and talk Briks. Owned Briks on and off for around thirty years so would be good to chat with another officianado.

I sent a message to your wall Mark

Richard, just a note of caution here.  Everything posted on this forum is open to be read by others so any posting of emails or phone numbers on either threads, walls or in public profiles is definitely something to be avoided at all costs. If I see any, I remove them to ensure the safety of members.

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