Witch hat cables

10 days in with the Phantom cables and good things are happening. Whereas initially the cables were quite lean, they have now 'filled out' (I won't ever be able to explain how these things happen but have accepted the fact that most equipment, including cables, simply need a fair amount of time to burn in properly). The presentation is more relaxed (but still dynamic) and there is now a good level of bass, with good nuance and texture, but without the sort of loudness effect inherent in the NACA5 cables. I find the Phantom treble better than NACA5, with more detail and extension. 

I could live happily with either cable but in my current set up and small room (home office, 3 x 3.5 m) I believe the Phantom cables are a better match, primarily because the bass is more controlled/does not 'bloat'. Things may change/improve further over the next couple of weeks, but so far I like what I'm hearing. 

PSAN posted:

10 days in with the Phantom cables and good things are happening. Whereas initially the cables were quite lean, they have now 'filled out' (I won't ever be able to explain how these things happen but have accepted the fact that most equipment, including cables, simply need a fair amount of time to burn in properly). The presentation is more relaxed (but still dynamic) and there is now a good level of bass, with good nuance and texture, but without the sort of loudness effect inherent in the NACA5 cables. I find the Phantom treble better than NACA5, with more detail and extension. 

I could live happily with either cable but in my current set up and small room (home office, 3 x 3.5 m) I believe the Phantom cables are a better match, primarily because the bass is more controlled/does not 'bloat'. Things may change/improve further over the next couple of weeks, but so far I like what I'm hearing. 

That's a good post PSAN. I am hoping to get my Phantom runs this week or next. The 10 day burn-in period is good to note. Thanks!

ryder. posted:

Apart from speaker cables, look at the interconnects too.

Also have a Source interconnect on order to run between my phono stage and TT. That will replace a Chord Shawline. I am interested to see if these WH products make a positive difference. Also considering AR as well so a case of "wait and see".

Jonners posted:
ryder. posted:

Apart from speaker cables, look at the interconnects too.

Also have a Source interconnect on order to run between my phono stage and TT. That will replace a Chord Shawline. I am interested to see if these WH products make a positive difference. Also considering AR as well so a case of "wait and see".

Let us know how you get on with the WitchHat interconnect. I use the Chord Shawline (RCA/DIN) between my phono stage and 202 and have been very happy with it so far (it replaced a Chord Chameleon).  

PSAN posted:
Jonners posted:
ryder. posted:

Apart from speaker cables, look at the interconnects too.

Also have a Source interconnect on order to run between my phono stage and TT. That will replace a Chord Shawline. I am interested to see if these WH products make a positive difference. Also considering AR as well so a case of "wait and see".

Let us know how you get on with the WitchHat interconnect. I use the Chord Shawline (RCA/DIN) between my phono stage and 202 and have been very happy with it so far (it replaced a Chord Chameleon).  

I surely will. I like Chord but I don't have the vast amounts of dosh to move up through the range. WH cables are made by ex-Naim people for Naim people so should give me a leg up without breaking the bank. Well, here's hoping!

Yep, Chord cables do become expensive going up the range above the Shawline. That said, I think the WitchHat interconnect is around the same level (price-wise actually somewhat below) as the Shawline, so will not necessarily be an improvement - perhaps just different. Anyway, I look forward to hearing about your experience with them. 

 

Jonners posted:
ryder. posted:

Apart from speaker cables, look at the interconnects too.

Also have a Source interconnect on order to run between my phono stage and TT. That will replace a Chord Shawline. I am interested to see if these WH products make a positive difference. Also considering AR as well so a case of "wait and see".

Did you go with the standard or KLE phono plugs?  I have been thinking about giving the KLE version a try on my TT source.

daren_p posted:
Jonners posted:
ryder. posted:

Apart from speaker cables, look at the interconnects too.

Also have a Source interconnect on order to run between my phono stage and TT. That will replace a Chord Shawline. I am interested to see if these WH products make a positive difference. Also considering AR as well so a case of "wait and see".

Did you go with the standard or KLE phono plugs?  I have been thinking about giving the KLE version a try on my TT source.

I thought "sod it" and blew an extra £40 on the KLE's. Not sure what difference they'll make but I figured an LP12/Aria combo is probably worth it! Even then, it's still cheaper than the Shawline but not much.

Jonners posted:
daren_p posted:
Jonners posted:
ryder. posted:

Apart from speaker cables, look at the interconnects too.

Also have a Source interconnect on order to run between my phono stage and TT. That will replace a Chord Shawline. I am interested to see if these WH products make a positive difference. Also considering AR as well so a case of "wait and see".

Did you go with the standard or KLE phono plugs?  I have been thinking about giving the KLE version a try on my TT source.

I thought "sod it" and blew an extra £40 on the KLE's. Not sure what difference they'll make but I figured an LP12/Aria combo is probably worth it! Even then, it's still cheaper than the Shawline but not much.

Great, will be interested in your thoughts.  While I'm using a Hi Line for my digital front, just have the standard lead on my analog front so was thinking about trying this cable/configuration in that location. 

Greetings Forum colleagues. As promised, these are my first impressions of the WH BNC-DIN cable with KLEs from their "source" range having received it today and plugged in tonight.

I will caveat this by saying firstly, as with all opinions, they're personal and in my case, I always try to speak as I find but try to be as neutral as possible.

I'm using a Rega Aria feeding an LP12 going through a 200/282 combo into a pair of Dynaudio Contour 1.3 Mk 2's. The WH cable has been bought to replace a Chord Shawline, which costs about £45 more.

First impressions are that none of the dynamics have been lost, in fact there is a touch more balance in the overall performance, by this I mean midrange is a little less pronounced and treble smoother. Vocals are conveyed every bit as well as with the Shawline which was one of my concerns as I've always found this a characteristic strength of Chord cables. I only listened to a couple of LP's (Black's Wonderful Life and Blow Monkeys Best of), but even without being run in and cold, it's impressing me already. I will give it another week or so and report back if there's been any further improvements (or not as the case may be).

Cheers,

Jon

Got my Phantom cables approx. 2 weeks ago.. initially put them on the SCM50's that I had on home demo....softened/tightened the bass a little (that was good), didn't affect the mid and treble...so far so good...then put them on the SL2's...too lean..didn't work...  ran them for approx a week, 24 hrs a day to run them in....then put NACA5 back on..

Since then, have SCM40's on home demo, for approx 5 days with NACA5...then this evening put the Phantom cables on...WOW !!!

Very nice...bass is very good, controlled, not forced (the NACA5 has  a 'loudness' effect), mid and treble good, very good level of detail and a good level of energy...liking them very much !!

Will leave them on and see how they develop further...

BR

 

Hi everyone, as promised this is an update on the WH Source interconnect bought a little over a week ago to replace a Chord Shawline between Rega Aria Phono Stage and LP12.

Now the WH has had a chance to burn in I do believe it to be better suited to the way I like the music I play to be presented. By this I mean the Chord was very good but I felt the midrange was overly-pronounced and treble a little harsh. That was a well run-in loaner from my Linn dealer BTW.

The WH cable still conveys dynamics but to my ears, in a more balanced and refined fashioned. The overall "feeling" is one of greater transparency and openness. I like it a great deal and it represents excellent value for money IMO.

I'm also considering the Witch Hat S3P RCA-DIN interconnect vs Chord Shawline(Red) ones. I think the Shawline is around twice the price of the Witch Hat. I'm currently using a normal flashback sales RCA-DIN. What would I get from upgrading to witch hat or should I put in more to get the Chord Shawline?

Kent3888 posted:

I'm also considering the Witch Hat S3P RCA-DIN interconnect vs Chord Shawline(Red) ones. I think the Shawline is around twice the price of the Witch Hat. I'm currently using a normal flashback sales RCA-DIN. What would I get from upgrading to witch hat or should I put in more to get the Chord Shawline?

Tricky to answer that as every set-up is different, a bit like buying speakers. Can you get a Shawline for home demo from a Chord dealer? WH offer a money-back 30 day guarantee so there's peace of mind there. You do need to allow for a 2 week build time though during which time you could test drive the Chord. I think you will see greater dollops of everything, they're great cables. The WH is no less dynamic but I prefer its more refined, balanced  presentation. That's my opinion of course, you may love the Shawline and if you do, the extra £100 is easily justifiable.

Received my Phantom speaker cables two weeks ago and honestly can't tell any difference from Linn K20. But they haven't had many hours burning in, so I'll probably keep them in the hope that they will eventually sound better. Even so, £320 is a lot to spend 'in hope'. Will report back if they suddenly sound better!

feeling_zen posted:
Ardbeg10y posted:

Any cable on this planet looks better than Linn K20 anyhow.

Except A5 sadly.

NacA5 gets less harmed in my kids-all-over-the-place household versus K20.

The A5 stays where it is put, whilst the K20 was moved all the time. Imagine kids hiding for each other behind the sofa where the cable runs - they pull at it they jump on it they almost p* on it. A5 resists it all. I had a spare few metres for a while and the cleaning lady used it to unclog the vacuumcleaner ... and it still looks the same.

tonybabawalla posted:

Received my Phantom speaker cables two weeks ago and honestly can't tell any difference from Linn K20. But they haven't had many hours burning in, so I'll probably keep them in the hope that they will eventually sound better. Even so, £320 is a lot to spend 'in hope'. Will report back if they suddenly sound better!

Cables are a funny thing for sure but the K20 is not exactly a sophisticated product and should be outclassed by newer, fancier products very easily IMHO. If it's not a burn-in thing then it'll simply be a matter of personal taste in which case send it back and save your money. 

Dear Naim and Naimists

Some comments from me.

Haven't been around for a while, but have been here from day one, JV etc,  as a naim user and forum member. This thread caught my eye due to the mention of another manufacturers cables. I won't bore everyone to death, but topics like this in the past were vehemently and relentlessly censored and I myself with other ID"s was banned a few times on similar topics.

BTW

Im 100% not for discussing mods, removing components, etc, there are places to do that elsewhere.   

So..............

I find it refreshing that its here TBH and so it should be, people discuss tyres, wheels and components for sports cars for example. Its interesting to experience peoples journeys whatever the outcome as Naim hasn't got the monopoly on anything.

My interest? I went around the houses with cables myself, Nordost, Chord, DIY for a good couple of years, plus a northerners PSU units. After some strange sonic and emotional itching I put the HiCap, i was considering selling, back in >> Boom! Things became so RIGHT. Next back went the grey (I think they are called violet or something) interconnects >> same. Finally a few years ago back went new NAC speaker cable. Order, rhythm, communication restored.

Just my 2p worth but good to discuss. Perhaps the most interesting one was the PSU on my, by then serviced BTW, 82. For weeks I was convinced it was better, but after a while realised it was "better" not better, impressive sure, not better. 

Pleased to see a topic like this and long may it continue

Martin

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