Introducing Uniti, our revolutionary new streaming platform.

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Dear Forum members,

Today we announce our most revolutionary streaming platform yet. Inspired by our unfaltering passion for music and enabled by more than 40 years' of tireless innovation, we introduce the new Uniti range. Comprising the Uniti Nova, Uniti Star and Uniti Atom all-in-one players and the Uniti Core hard disk server, Uniti's brand new state-of-the-art technology enables you to experience music like never before. Rip and store entire collections, play or stream music from any source, at the touch of a button, all with the deep, immersive sound only a Naim system delivers.

Our Research and Development team in Salisbury had to fundamentally deconstruct every historic design and technology decision we had ever made to challenge themselves and go further, especially in terms of sound quality. It’s a true ground-up development, all hand-built in Salisbury, with our core principles at its heart. We looked at every single aspect of the product proposition, the electronic architecture, the mechanical enclosure, the user experience and the approach to manufacture and assembly.

The result? A clear step change in every single aspect of the products, a true achievement of excellence. We hope you enjoy this exciting new product range and look forward to hearing what you think.

Discover Uniti: https://www.naimaudio.com/uniti

Best wishes

Naim

[Edited: 13.01.2017]

The new Uniti range is our biggest release in over fifteen years and we are really proud of all the work that has gone into crafting this revolutionary new product range. Due to the technical complexity of Uniti we have faced more challenges than we initially anticipated and we still have some features to refine to ensure the products that reach you are of the highest possible quality.

 We are currently processing certifications for AirPlay, GoogleCast, TIDAL, Bluetooth (aptX HD), WiFi, HDMI and Spotify Connect  and beta testing our latest software; the team is working extremely hard to ensure that the products stand up to the level of quality you have come to expect from Naim.

 As such we have made the difficult decision to delay shipping Uniti Atom until May with Uniti Star and Uniti Nova following in June.

 We have been reviewing all customer feedback from the Uniti Core servers shipped in 2016, and made the decision to stop shipping after Christmas, to ensure we have fixed any software issues before shipping en masse. We are expecting a firmware update next week, and an over-the-air update will be available via the app for those who have already received their Uniti Core servers.  Shipping will re-commence next week as soon as the firmware is available and tested.

We know the delay is frustrating and sincerely apologise for it. Thank you for your continued support and patience while we put the finishing touches on your Uniti.

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If the release date for the Atom is late November as per What HiFi's preview then the advice on Naim's site would appear to be appealing to people in deep space hibernation

 

"Uniti Atom will be available from our network of specialist retailers in December 2017. Sign up to be the first to discover more."

Tony, I agree, very useful.  Among other things, I use my current UnitiQute as an amp for a TV and blu-ray player so having ARC connection and control is a nice little feature.

However, for me, it's potentially the Uniti Core that is most interesting.  A proper power supply at last and the swappable HDD along with Naim's (improved?) ripping and serving software and a nice BNC s/pdif out for local DAC connection. Could be something special...

As I see it, it is horses for courses, the new items fitting certain parts of the market, and nothing whatsoever wrong with that. The only legitimacy to complaints about Naim's direction of travel would be if they stopped supplying/supporting other key hifi items such as the classic range, and there is nothing here to even hint that might be the case.

However, my question is in what way do the new items reimagine our music collections? They seem to simply provide different options for playing them. Could that just  possibly have been marketing hype?

james n posted:
tonym posted:

The hdmi input's a surprising but very welcome addition.

Nooooooo .... it'll only lead to audiophile HDMI cable neurosis 

Well, a good hdmi lead has the ability to totally transform the audio signal into realms previously thought completely unattainable.

Yours,

Tonym, The HDMI W*nky Cable Co. Ltd.

Wonderful ! Love the new design casing and the overall approach in terms of Mu-So style ergonomics / interface. Exciting developments.  And this from a recent Unitiqute 2 buyer! I very much look forward to reading about first impressions of the new equipment sound quality wise. 

One more thing…
Oh, and one final thing: the New Uniti models all come with a new Naim mains plug as standard. As the company explains, having for a long time taken great care with its mains plugs, choosing only high-quality MK UK plugs and tightening the cable clamping screws to a set torque, it upped its game with the Power-Line cable, complete with floating pins able to align themselves for better contact with the socket.

For New Uniti it has ‘reverse engineered’ Power-Line into a more affordable version, Power-Line Lite, with the same floating pin technology: this cable will not only be standard with all the new models, but will also be rolled out to other Naim products supplied in the future, hopefully starting sometime early in 2017.

It will also be possible to buy the Power-Line Lite cable on its own at some point next year, as an upgrade for existing Naim products. It’s expected it will cost around £95-£100, rather than the £500+ of the ‘full fat’ Power-Line.

NaimAudio posted:

Our Research and Development team in Salisbury had to fundamentally deconstruct every historic design and technology decision we had ever made to challenge themselves and go further, especially in terms of sound quality. It’s a true ground-up development, all hand-built in Salisbury, with our core principles at its heart. We looked at every single aspect of the product proposition, the electronic architecture, the mechanical enclosure, the user experience and the approach to manufacture and assembly.

The result? A clear step change in every single aspect of the products, a true achievement of excellence. We hope you enjoy this exciting new product range and look forward to hearing what you think.

 

Does this mean that the sound quality exceeds all other Naim products to date, Statement included, all of which are immediately obsolete? Fantastic news for new entrants to the market, but likely to somewhat knock the scondhand value of most other things...

Pretty cool to have a complete new generation update... 

The review (thanks for link)  list a swath of system level upgrades including a nicer display, improved wifi stability and additional connection options. Wonder if the AirPlay connectivity will be available as a software update to the existing range, that would be a nice convenience feature and nod to the history of long term support from Naim. 

Regards alan

Great set of products and well thought through, which seem targeted to non-Naim owners and upgraders from the Muso range in the main.

Just wondering from this info in 'What Hifi'  whether there is going to be any trickle effects to existing streamers and DACs?

"A  team of 25 engineers has spent the last three years developing a new eight-layer streaming board. The Uniti Atom, Star and Nova also feature a new fourth-generation, 40-bit SHARC DSP processor (the ADSP 21489 for the technical among you). All three Uniti players use Burr Brown DACs",

Jude

So just to get this clear they are all storage based devices. One HDX upgrade, two are more HDX plus streamer and one a storage and streamer alone (a NAS with some fancy bits?)

I think this looks quite complicated from a sales point of view-and clearly some existing kit is going to be phased out-or will they keep those boxes with their options for P/S and DAC upgrade add ons? Maybe we will see Uniti style power supply add ons later as a whole series of additions?

Nothing here for me really, but I do like the aesthetics.

Bruce

I don't think anyone has commented this ... but I assume to all intents and purposes...

  • Uniti Atom replaces the UnitiQute
  • Uniti Star replaces the NaimUniti
  • Uniti Nova replaces SuperUniti
  • Uniti Core replaces UnitiServe

Can I clarify too ... the display on the UnitiAtom is the same size as the display on the Uniti Star (just looks bigger in picture due to the unit being smaller)?

From the What HiFi Article, it appears you can use the Units Atom, Star and Nova as ripping devices too - using an external CD reader in the case of Atom and Nova; and connect a HDD via USB.  Will they then stream to a second device?

Bruce Woodhouse posted:

So just to get this clear they are all storage based devices. One HDX upgrade, two are more HDX plus streamer and one a storage and streamer alone (a NAS with some fancy bits?)

I think this looks quite complicated from a sales point of view-and clearly some existing kit is going to be phased out-or will they keep those boxes with their options for P/S and DAC upgrade add ons? Maybe we will see Uniti style power supply add ons later as a whole series of additions?

Nothing here for me really, but I do like the aesthetics.

Bruce

As I see it, the Core is the new UnitiServe. What looks really clever is that the Nova (the new SuperUniti) can have a USB drive installed and play up to 20,000 tracks. So it looks like you can have direct connection without a nas. Maybe they all do this, which would be even better. 

The thing that really interests me is whether the new streamer board will be retrofittable to the streamers and the 172 and 272. 

Richard Dane posted:

However, for me, it's potentially the Uniti Core that is most interesting.  A proper power supply at last and the swappable HDD along with Naim's (improved?) ripping and serving software and a nice BNC s/pdif out for local DAC connection. Could be something special...

A very tasty proposition indeed. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

What looks really clever is that the Nova (the new SuperUniti) can have a USB drive installed and play up to 20,000 tracks. So it looks like you can have direct connection without a nas. Maybe they all do this, which would be even better. 

Yes, I wasn't sure what that meant exactly. It sounds like an external HDD with a USB connection, which would be awesome. but then it says 20k tracks, versus 100k for the Core. That makes me think they might mean a USB stick, rather than an HDD, which would be more like it is now, and less awesome.

Looks to me like all 3 have the potential for a USB flash drive but not USB Hard Drive.

A 1TB USB flash drive should store plenty of FLAC/WAV's. I imagine that over time larger flash drives will be available and make a NAS relatively redundant for music streaming.

Eloise posted:

I don't think anyone has commented this ... but I assume to all intents and purposes...

  • Uniti Atom replaces the UnitiQute
  • Uniti Star replaces the NaimUniti
  • Uniti Nova replaces SuperUniti
  • Uniti Core replaces UnitiServe

 

But the Star also rips to hard drive - which makes it more like a Uniti/HDX combo.

Eloise posted:

I don't think anyone has commented this ... but I assume to all intents and purposes...

  • Uniti Atom replaces the UnitiQute
  • Uniti Star replaces the NaimUniti
  • Uniti Nova replaces SuperUniti
  • Uniti Core replaces UnitiServe

Can I clarify too ... the display on the UnitiAtom is the same size as the display on the Uniti Star (just looks bigger in picture due to the unit being smaller)?

From the What HiFi Article, it appears you can use the Units Atom, Star and Nova as ripping devices too - using an external CD reader in the case of Atom and Nova; and connect a HDD via USB.  Will they then stream to a second device?

Surely the Atom, Star and Nova are more 'HDX plus' devices, ie with additional features and with two of them incorporating a streamer too. So HDX and Qute combined, HDX and NDX combined maybe?

The Core is Unitiserve 'plus' I'd agree. Not sure I can see why it would replace my exisiting NAS but sure somebody will explain it.

Bruce

 

So now we will have a whole new series of A/B comparisons to talk about ...

 

My interest is the Uniti Core and whether this + DAC V1 is better than UnitiServ+V1 ...

... or are the built-in DACs in the new all-in-ones better than the existing Naim DAcs

... etc etc etc

 

interesting times

Allan

Four New Uniti models have been announced: the Uniti Core ripper/server/player (£1650); the £1600 Uniti Atom compact network music system; the £2999 Uniti Star, complete with built-in CD ripping and music storage; and the range-topping Uniti Nova, at £3800.

Copied from Andrew's website.

They look very good indeed, while still being quintessentially Naim. 

I notice a power button on the front panel, will these be the first Naim products  designed not to be powered on all the time?

As the owner or both UniQute and SuperUniti these do seem like true upgrades. (Although I doubt I will upgrade). It's a pity they didn't use the opportunity to integrate with Roon but they obviously see Roon as a competitor rather than complimentary. (I use Roon with my 3 Naim systems- they work excellently together). However the addition of AirPlay will allow them to be used with Roon and Roon is working on chromecast compatibility so all is not lost. 

SJB

Allan Milne posted:

 

What Hi-Fi are quoting £1,600 for the Uniti Core - I thought the current UnitiServ was over £2k at present

... how does that work?

 

It's called know how, Unitiserve was one of the early entrance .

Evolution ( not substitution)benefitting from  investments did the rest.

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:
Allan Milne posted:

What Hi-Fi are quoting £1,600 for the Uniti Core - I thought the current UnitiServ was over £2k at present

... how does that work?

The Uniti Core comes without a hard drive (according to Andrew's website)

    according to the 2016 price list:

UnitiServe 2,380

UnitiServe-SSD (solid state drive variant) 2,650

Richard Dane posted:

However, for me, it's potentially the Uniti Core that is most interesting.  A proper power supply at last and the swappable HDD along with Naim's (improved?) ripping and serving software and a nice BNC s/pdif out for local DAC connection. Could be something special...

It's hard to keep up with all this excitement this morning and work as well. But I agree with Richard and the Uniti Core I might well be persuaded to buy.

best

David

Sloop, the units incorporate a standby function, hence the power buttons on the front. 

From a recent discussion with Naim's MD Trevor Wilson, I understand that the design of the new units along with the new "build cell" reorganisation has decreased the amount of time it takes to fully build each unit.  As one of the biggest costs of building by hand in Salisbury is the labour, this greater efficiency means you get more "product" for your money.  For units that are going to sell in big numbers (the pre-order numbers are already impressive) creating that kind of efficiency is essential.  

Richard Dane posted:

Sloop, the units incorporate a standby function, hence the power buttons on the front. 

From a recent discussion with Naim's MD Trevor Wilson, I understand that the design of the new units along with the new "build cell" reorganisation has decreased the amount of time it takes to fully build each unit.  As one of the biggest costs of building by hand in Salisbury is the labour, this greater efficiency means you get more "product" for your money.  For units that are going to sell in big numbers (the pre-order numbers are already impressive) creating that kind of efficiency is essential.  

That has to be good news for Naim, and so good news for all interested in a healthy Naim future

 

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:
The Uniti Core comes without a hard drive (according to Andrew's website)

Correct: Naim says it's currently doing some testing, and will shortly come up with a list of 'approved' hard drives, either for buyers to fit for themselves or for retailers to install.

Sloop John B posted:

As the owner or both UniQute and SuperUniti these do seem like true upgrades. (Although I doubt I will upgrade). It's a pity they didn't use the opportunity to integrate with Roon but they obviously see Roon as a competitor rather than complimentary. (I use Roon with my 3 Naim systems- they work excellently together). However the addition of AirPlay will allow them to be used with Roon and Roon is working on chromecast compatibility so all is not lost. 

Hi Sloop,

Roon integration is on the list of information that I'm allowed to give you and is planned to "be activated in the near future"...

Phil

Eloise posted:
Hungryhalibut posted:

the £2999 Uniti Star, complete with built-in CD ripping and music storage;

Does it have music storage built in (i.e. internal HDD) or is the music storage via USB connected HDD?

Only 'Core' can have an internal hard disc drive...

Phil

Innocent Bystander posted:
Richard Dane posted:

From a recent discussion with Naim's MD Trevor Wilson, I understand that the design of the new units along with the new "build cell" reorganisation has decreased the amount of time it takes to fully build each unit.  As one of the biggest costs of building by hand in Salisbury is the labour, this greater efficiency means you get more "product" for your money.  For units that are going to sell in big numbers (the pre-order numbers are already impressive) creating that kind of efficiency is essential.  

That has to be good news for Naim, and so good news for all interested in a healthy Naim future

There are some obvious cost-saving aspects here for Naim. The current range is quite disparate in terms of components, including volume controls, chips, boards, casing and so on, which costs money and is inflexible. The new Uniti standardises (and probably modularises) more, enabling Naim to buy in bulk for lower cost, but more crucially to gain flexibility in stock and workflow management. We should expect NDX, 272, etc to go this way next, and finally the amps, etc, on a cosmetic level if nothing else.

There is also the benefit of replacing the faulty Unitiserve range. That will be quite interesting - next time one goes wrong, will they swap it for a Core? My guess is the Core is totally different inside from the US, based on third-party software and probably Linux-variant OS (as the Syno and QNAP) rather than Windows. Again, that will make life much easier for Naim.

All that said, if they sound like a bag of nails then it won't work. But I'm very optimistic on that front - Naim know exactly what they're doing on sound quality.

intothevoid posted:

Surprised there's no USB output on the Core and Atom in particular. 

Naim's preferred 'digital' connection seems to still be coaxial S/PDIF so not surprising. I suppose this gives it best fit within a Naim system - S/PDIF into a DAC on the main rack and Ethernet streams to other players for multiroom. 

Phil Harris posted:
Sloop John B posted:

As the owner or both UniQute and SuperUniti these do seem like true upgrades. (Although I doubt I will upgrade). It's a pity they didn't use the opportunity to integrate with Roon but they obviously see Roon as a competitor rather than complimentary. (I use Roon with my 3 Naim systems- they work excellently together). However the addition of AirPlay will allow them to be used with Roon and Roon is working on chromecast compatibility so all is not lost. 

Hi Sloop,

Roon integration is on the list of information that I'm allowed to give you and is planned to "be activated in the near future"...

Phil

Thanks Phil, that's great news, I'm glad Naim is open to this and I think it's a wise move along with chromecast which will free you from the " I want " brigade (which admittedly I've been part of myself!)

 

SJB 

Stringerbell posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:
Ikoun posted:

Would the "Core" have the ability to upscale servicing at 24 bit for all files like Asset can ?

And what good would that do?

upscaling reduces jitter. I guess it can help improve SQ

Upscaling allows for volume normalisation with minimal effect on sound quality, excellent ( if not essential) for playlists containing tracks at wildly varying volumes. 

 

 

SJB 

 

External  HDD units can be noisy, both sonically and in terms of interference so I wouldn't particularly want this on my audio rack next to the Uniti unit.

 

At the price point of the Uniti Core, it looks like there is headroom for taking the SSD rather than the HDD route ... a quick glance looks like £300-400 for 1Tb.

 

Allan

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Star looks like a worthy upgrade for my first gen Uniti, *but* the photos of the back make me think there might not be power for a Stageline, which would be a fly in the ointment.

surprised there aren't a few more comments about he Muso style controls on the top. Not the most convenient of configurations…

Simon

tonym posted:
intothevoid posted:

Surprised there's no USB output on the Core and Atom in particular. 

Yes, I guess that's one surprising omission. For us with USB DACs it's slightly disappointing. Still, the rest of the spec. more than makes up for it.

I'd be happy to avoid digital audio over USB if at all possible.  USB audio is really just a necessary evil forced upon us who dabble in computer audio.  A properly designed and applied s/pdif connection is much nicer.

I do wonder though about that HDMI connection.  I wonder what other future possibilities lie there.

Simon Everest posted:

Star looks like a worthy upgrade for my first gen Uniti, *but* the photos of the back make me think there might not be power for a Stageline, which would be a fly in the ointment.

surprised there aren't a few more comments about he Muso style controls on the top. Not the most convenient of configurations…

Simon

Simon, possibly an excuse to give the Stageline a dedicated power supply - problem solved and a nice sonic upgrade too.

Well I was right with my guess that this was a replacement for the whole Uniti range styled a la MuSo but wrong that they would be built in China and I am very glad I was wrong on that point. It is absolutely great that Naim have found efficiencies in the production process by rationalising the componentry and reorganising production units allowing these to be built at competitive prices in Salisbury.

Naim should be congratulated on a revamp (and enhancement) of an entire range and keeping production in the UK.

All we need to do know is see (or rather hear) how they sound and I have no doubts in that area.

PS - the new range looks superb.

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:
Phil Harris posted:
yeti42 posted:

the second slot on the front lower of the Core, added or dropped?

Not sure what you mean there?

Phil

Naim's website shows what looks like an SD card slot :

... and it's absent in the image from Andrew's site :

The slot is there, but hidden by the faceplate as seen in the lower photo.  You (or the dealer) just need to take a drill / tool to cut away the metal from the faceplate seen in the lower photo.

Richard Dane posted:
Simon Everest posted:

Star looks like a worthy upgrade for my first gen Uniti, *but* the photos of the back make me think there might not be power for a Stageline, which would be a fly in the ointment.

surprised there aren't a few more comments about he Muso style controls on the top. Not the most convenient of configurations…

Simon

Simon, possibly an excuse to give the Stageline a dedicated power supply - problem solved and a nice sonic upgrade too.

Apparently also to a SNAIC phono lead to amp as it seems it might be connected just that way?

A very impressive redesign and re-implementation of the Uniti range. The pictures look great.

I'd hazard a guess that most members of this forum (and certainly most regular contributors) are owners of Classic/Olive/CB separates systems, perhaps with a Uniti/Muso as a second system somewhere in the house, and probably sporting a grey hair or two. That certainly includes me. As far as "reimagining our music collections" is concerned, it isn't "our" collections Naim is referring to here. It's the new market of 40-ish year olds and younger who have grown up with streaming, without "hifi" and lots of boxes, and for whom great industrial design is as important as audio performance. It is this market that is going to power Naim's growth over the next decade. This unified product range launch provides a very sound basis for attacking that market.

While this announcement disappoints many here who were hoping for a Statement streamer, look at it like this -- what we can see here is a new streaming hardware and software platform with better wifi support, memory, buffering, firmware update and display technology that are all things that needed to be updated before focusing on the high-end audio performance that new streamers higher up the range will surely bring. I think we can expect to see all this platform groundwork carried forward into the next generation of higher-end streamers.

Richard Dane posted:

Eloise, the Star rips to local storage - either a USB drive or memory card.

As a second part of the thinking ... if you use a Star to rip to a USB attached drive; could someone then add (say) a MuSo or perhaps a Uniti Atom and use that fully in the same way as if you had a UPnP server or Uniti Core?

Interested that it appears the branding is subtly changed too ... it's now "Uniti by Naim".  Perhaps we'll see these sold in higher end high street stores along side "Uniti by Focal" speakers?

Solid Air posted:
Phil Harris posted:

Hi Sloop,

Roon integration is on the list of information that I'm allowed to give you and is planned to "be activated in the near future"...

Phil

Phil - what else is on the list of information that you're allowed to give us?

There isn't really a 'list' - I'm just going to try to make sure that I answer as many questions and correct as many incorrect assumptions as I can but obviously it's a little frenetic on here and I might miss someone's question or comments while I'm off doing other things so please bear with me...

Phil

Richard Dane posted:
tonym posted:
intothevoid posted:

Surprised there's no USB output on the Core and Atom in particular. 

Yes, I guess that's one surprising omission. For us with USB DACs it's slightly disappointing. Still, the rest of the spec. more than makes up for it.

I'd be happy to avoid digital audio over USB if at all possible.  USB audio is really just a necessary evil forced upon us who dabble in computer audio.  A properly designed and applied s/pdif connection is much nicer.

I think that depends on how the usb is implemented. It's become a very popular offering and on the three DACs I've got, it sounds better than spdif. Indeed, one of them only has usb.

Richard Dane posted:
Simon Everest posted:

Star looks like a worthy upgrade for my first gen Uniti, *but* the photos of the back make me think there might not be power for a Stageline, which would be a fly in the ointment.

surprised there aren't a few more comments about he Muso style controls on the top. Not the most convenient of configurations…

Simon

Simon, possibly an excuse to give the Stageline a dedicated power supply - problem solved and a nice sonic upgrade too.

Ouch… my wallet!

Simon

Ardbeg10y posted:
Phil Harris posted:
robert- posted:

What's the hdmi input for?

HDMI audio from a TV or set top box rather than using optical S/PDIF...

Phil

Phil, Which version of hdmi?

It's an audio input not a passthrough which doesn't require '4k capable' or HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 ...

Phil

Superb looking & awesome spec's.      Whatever I'm not in the market for all in one player.

Two downsides for me is the height dimensions has changed to from 87mm to 95mm,  I only hope if/when the separates come thru that the 87mm Classic hieght is retained,  and the top volume control is not rack friendly.

Looks good, more change than people were expecting, but the evolution of the brand and given the digital direction of things, the right thing to do.  And fits directly into the 2nd tier of their music design 'all in one's'.

Bad

Signing up for the web site email and nothing was sent, or was that for the future stuff ?

That there was more information on the What Hi Fi page than there is on the offical Naim site

Not going 'Apple' enough and telling people what they will need - DAB / HDMI options should be standard, not options.

Good

2.5 + 5 inc AC wireless.  The question is when (not if) it will update the Muso and other lines

USB audio is still needed for friends with Apple/Android phones with music...

Hopefully its an SDXC slot.

Passive 'fin' heatsinks - reminds me of LaCie quadra drives

Talking of which, i see a Seagate hard drive, so what will they come with make/size ? Will there be a list of 'supported' hard drives ( inc SSD) + sizes.  Will you be able to copy/replicate from a NAS onto the new Uniti's. Also can you backup to a NAS in the new line.

Will there be a list of supported CD drives, this will be cheaper/easier to maintain and just unplug when not ripping.

Much as I don't like it " well for 100 more on your 3000 you get the HDMI plug" ( I think everything should be included by default ) it leaves the options for the modular upgrades of components over time - done at the factory, not home, it will be interesting to know which other components are upgradeable.  (Burson did this with their USB and DAC modules)

Powerline lite, oooh, wonder how that will be in the north American market.

Glad it's still made in England

Kirkpg posted:

Will there be a firmware upgrade for the UnitiServe?

Not to give it the same functionality as a Core - the two are completely different products.



Kirkpg posted:

Will an existing UnitiServe library be usable on the new Core?

Yes ... the Core will import an existing library.

Phil

Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:
Phil Harris posted:
yeti42 posted:

the second slot on the front lower of the Core, added or dropped?

Not sure what you mean there?

Phil

Naim's website shows what looks like an SD card slot :

... and it's absent in the image from Andrew's site :

There is no SD card slot on the Core - it looks like an old photo was used and didn't get spotted so I've flagged it with the web guys...

Thanks

Phil

Adrian_P posted:

A very impressive redesign and re-implementation of the Uniti range. The pictures look great.

I'd hazard a guess that most members of this forum (and certainly most regular contributors) are owners of Classic/Olive/CB separates systems, perhaps with a Uniti/Muso as a second system somewhere in the house, and probably sporting a grey hair or two. That certainly includes me. As far as "reimagining our music collections" is concerned, it isn't "our" collections Naim is referring to here. It's the new market of 40-ish year olds and younger who have grown up with streaming, without "hifi" and lots of boxes, and for whom great industrial design is as important as audio performance. It is this market that is going to power Naim's growth over the next decade. This unified product range launch provides a very sound basis for attacking that market.

While this announcement disappoints many here who were hoping for a Statement streamer, look at it like this -- what we can see here is a new streaming hardware and software platform with better wifi support, memory, buffering, firmware update and display technology that are all things that needed to be updated before focusing on the high-end audio performance that new streamers higher up the range will surely bring. I think we can expect to see all this platform groundwork carried forward into the next generation of higher-end streamers.

+2

By George, you've nailed it!

Allante93!

christoph posted:

They Look great, i am very impressed. New look for the classic line too? And - powered input for stageline/superline?  Christoph 

They look fresh and contemporary. This is not a good thing. 

As such they will date quite quickly compaired to more timeless designs. The new Uniti range looks nearly identical to a number of the cheaper appliances in the datacentre. 

The current classics can weather a much longer design lifecycle but visually, the new stuff will start looking dated in a couple years. In fact they look like they were designed by Sony. No offense but they do look like Sony products.

Phil Harris posted:
Pcd posted:
Phil, you could get a job in the Diplomatic Core with answers like that.

I'm wondering how many people on here that actually do know me and my diplomacy skills are now rolling on the floor in hysterics...

I am doing my best, you understand..... :-)

KRM posted:

Hi Phil,

Are Core rips different/better than Unitiserve rips or should will import our existing Userve rips if we replace the Userve with a Core?

Keith

I've been using my existing libraries that I've imported and they work beautifully ... I know that the guys have worked hard to ensure that the ripping quality is at least as good as the existing servers as well as maximizing compatibility with imperfect discs.

Phil 

@Phil Harris 

Congratulations to the whole team. It looks like a terrific range of products.

As a very happy Roon customer, I can honestly say it has reimagined my music collection. It’s fantastic to see that Naim is going support it.

Can I ask you about the nature of that support. Will Naim be supporting Roon Core and Output (Roon Ready endpoint/player) functionality?

For those who don’t know, Roon has three components:

- Core, which runs on a computer, NAS or dedicated music server and contains your collection.
- Output, which can be a Roon Ready network streamer, player or DAC.
- Control, which is the phone, tablet or computer control device to manage and play your music.

I've been listening to my 172 today, and it certainly doesn't sound broken, but it does suddenly look a bit old-fashioned. The new designs are very handsome and classy. Tips me over the edge towards a post-revamp 272, in due course.

I'm certainly glad Naim didn't follow Chord down their design, er, philosophy. Hugos and Mojos should only be looked at using a tinted mirror or on nights when there's a new moon.

Phil Harris posted:
Kirkpg posted:

Will there be a firmware upgrade for the UnitiServe?

Not to give it the same functionality as a Core - the two are completely different products.



Kirkpg posted:

Will an existing UnitiServe library be usable on the new Core?

Yes ... the Core will import an existing library.

Phil

Phil, 

Does this mean the existing Unitiserve/HDX can be updated with the new software platform?

Core seems to have slightly less functionality than a Unitiserve - no iRadio and - maybe no real miss - StreamNet. Apart from the integration of the app, wireless updates and a likely cooler running environment what functionality is added ?

 

I just read through all this a second time, and I have to say, I am really impressed with this announcement and it is a quite ambitious new product line. I hope it is terrifically successful as it looks and hopefully sounds just as great. This is exactly the type of products that are needed to rethink high end hi-fi. I will echo one comment, I wish there was a decent phono option from NAIM. I have a very large (15TB) collection, use Tidal and Spotify frequently espectially to listen and discover new music and hear things not in my collection, but also would like a NAIM phonostage that I could use with my LP-12. This is even an issue for me now as I am a very happy NAC-N 272 owner, but it can't use a NAIM Phono either without another fiddly power supply box that costs as much as the phono stage itself. Can't these be revised to have an internal power supply? I think the whole model of this profileration of PS boxes is dated and is not going to work in the market long term. People want fewer boxes not more. 

Solid Air posted:

I'm certainly glad Naim didn't follow Chord down their design, er, philosophy. Hugos and Mojos should only be looked at using a tinted mirror or on nights when there's a new moon.

Chord = Flash Gordon (black and white era)

So awful to look at I would not bother listening to... Apart from maybe the tiny dude.

Solid Air posted:

I've been listening to my 172 today, and it certainly doesn't sound broken, but it does suddenly look a bit old-fashioned. The new designs are very handsome and classy. Tips me over the edge towards a post-revamp 272, in due course.

I'm certainly glad Naim didn't follow Chord down their design, er, philosophy. Hugos and Mojos should only be looked at using a tinted mirror or on nights when there's a new moon.

Ahhh yes - I do find those designs a little 'challenging' myself but there's always someone able to see beauty in things others find challenging. (If they didn't then I'd be in trouble...)

Phil

John Bailey posted:

Phil, 

Does this mean the existing Unitiserve/HDX can be updated with the new software platform?

Core seems to have slightly less functionality than a Unitiserve - no iRadio and - maybe no real miss - StreamNet. Apart from the integration of the app, wireless updates and a likely cooler running environment what functionality is added ?

 

No - UnitiServe and HDX are a different platform and cannot run the Core code just as the Uniti, UnitiQute, UnitiLite and SuperUniti are a different platform to, and cannot run the same code as, the Atom, Star and Nova ...

Phil

GregW posted:

@Phil Harris 

Congratulations to the whole team. It looks like a terrific range of products.

As a very happy Roon customer, I can honestly say it has reimagined my music collection. It’s fantastic to see that Naim is going support it.

Can I ask you about the nature of that support. Will Naim be supporting Roon Core and Output (Roon Ready endpoint/player) functionality?

For those who don’t know, Roon has three components:

- Core, which runs on a computer, NAS or dedicated music server and contains your collection.
- Output, which can be a Roon Ready network streamer, player or DAC.
- Control, which is the phone, tablet or computer control device to manage and play your music.

At this this time I'm not able to say anything beyond Roon support at a later date...

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
John Bailey posted:

Phil, 

Does this mean the existing Unitiserve/HDX can be updated with the new software platform?

Core seems to have slightly less functionality than a Unitiserve - no iRadio and - maybe no real miss - StreamNet. Apart from the integration of the app, wireless updates and a likely cooler running environment what functionality is added ?

 

No - UnitiServe and HDX are a different platform and cannot run the Core code just as the Uniti, UnitiQute, UnitiLite and SuperUniti are a different platform to, and cannot run the same code as, the Atom, Star and Nova ...

Phil

Thanks Phil. I take it then that Unitiserve and HDX machines are at the end of the road development wise. 

The rear images look like the Atom has no DAB/FM tuner option which I find invaluable on my Qute2 - especially when my ISP has decided to make my internet connection fallover. 

Without that option and despite the excellent aesthetic redesign, I can't see the Atom as a replacement for my Qute2 in my kitchen. I would consider it for a small high quality bedroom system as well, but without the DAB/FM tuner option it is a bit limiting.

Does the Atom have a "sleep timer" which is one of the features that is lacking in a Qute2 that is stopping me from expanding my collection of Qutes...........

Solid Air posted:

@Phil

Can we know when the 272 and other streaming products - or their replacements - will get this new platform and design, at least roughly? I ask as a potential buyer.

C'mon guys - you should know by now that I can't answer any "what's going to happen to and when" questions ... all I can do here is try to keep you on the straight and narrow about the new Uniti range.

Phil

KRM posted:
james n posted:
KRM posted:

 

Are Core rips different/better than Unitiserve rips 

 

I know, I know, but the Core uses a "unique ripping engine" so the implication is there, if I read "unique" as meaning unique :-)

Maybe it polishes the bits to remove the rough edges so that they are more suitable for a wifi connection......

KRM posted:

I know, I know, but the Core uses a "unique ripping engine" so the implication is there, if I read "unique" as meaning unique :-)

Unique as in 'not the same engine as used in the existing server platform' (which it can't be as it's a different platform) and unique as in 'not used on any other manufacturers ripping product' as it has been developed in house by our software guys.

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
KRM posted:

I know, I know, but the Core uses a "unique ripping engine" so the implication is there, if I read "unique" as meaning unique :-)

Unique as in 'not the same engine as used in the existing server platform' (which it can't be as it's a different platform) and unique as in 'not used on any other manufacturers ripping product' as it has been developed in house by our software guys.

Phil

Okay Phil, how much? Bit by bit if you can and prefer.

It looks like new Qute does not come with FM/DAB. It does not have DIN pre amp output either. Volume control makes it a little rack unfriendly, though most of us use app or RC. 

Will there be a style/casing change in power amp range? Putting "Atom" next to a NAP100 will not look elegant. 

Maybe it is high time to collect "old" style black boxes with green light     

 

Hi DUPREE,

 

NServ app works really well for me using the IOS VoiceOver screen reader.

 

What I have found is that often the fancier and slicker an app looks the harder it is to use with VoiceOver because the developers have used custom controls and layout rather than adhering to the Apple accessibility standards using the standard controls.

 

My worry is that Naim may have gone down this route and have an app that looks and is slick for sighted users but inaccessible for VoiceOver users.

I will have to have a visit to my dealer in November to hear the Uniti Core and test the app; UnitiServ could be getting replaced ...

 

Its funny that all that technology in the HiFi and the deal-breaker could be the app.

 

Allan

 

hi everyone,

Todays launch is the culmination of so much effort by so many people at Naim and I’d like to say personally how immensely pleased and proud I am of the entire team at Naim to be able to deliver this as a collective. It also hugely gratifying and humbling to see how many people take such a deep personal interest in us and what we do. It a privilege and a blessing to know that what we do and care so much about, generates such interest, passion and excitement. There’s been some real passion and some tough times to get to today, but I think I can speak for everyone at Naim, when I say we are on a high today

I sincerely hope that those that chose to audition the products get to feel the effort, love and fun that has gone into making these a reality.

Thanks all!

Trevor

I just had a deeper look at the new products. I have to compliment Naim. Great design and a well thought through product offering. Which might pull people into the brand. One would potentially start with the Muso, get interested move to a Unity system and just be happy with that or even go to famous black boxes and finally land on the Olympus......statement, I will be interested to have a good listen at this, while it's not a product which is on my need list now.

Richard Dane posted:

...

However, for me, it's potentially the Uniti Core that is most interesting.  A proper power supply at last and the swappable HDD along with Naim's (improved?) ripping and serving software and a nice BNC s/pdif out for local DAC connection. Could be something special...

Agree, it's a potentially interesting device and I'm looking forward to see the technical specifications. I personally doubt that many users still need a ripping station and I would have preferred the ripping functionalities to be optional. But let's wait and see.

My only hope is that the new device is not just an improved incarnation of the current US. After so many years and considering the available alternatives, I expect the Core to set new standards in terms of energy consumption, OS openness, connectivity, stability, accessibility and, of course, quality of the BNC s/pdif output.

Allan Milne posted:

 

Phil,

 

I am a blind user and find the UnitiServ NServ IOS app perfectly accessible via voice over.

Can you say the same for the Naim app I will have to use with the Uniti Core?

 

Allan

 

Hi Allan,

To be quite honest I couldn't say right now - the app itself is evolving daily as we continue working on it and this is in the hands of the software developers at the moment.

Phil

Halloween Man posted:

Nice designs. Uniti core looks an appealing partner for my dac... does anyone know if this offers asynchronous USB playback direct to dac and controlled by iPhone app? Looks like no fans and silent operation too.

Hi,

Asynchronous USB out for an external USB DAC is not in the first phase functionality that I've seen.

Phil

Phil Harris posted:
Jan-Erik Nordoen posted:
Phil Harris posted:
yeti42 posted:

the second slot on the front lower of the Core, added or dropped?

Not sure what you mean there?

Phil

Naim's website shows what looks like an SD card slot :

... and it's absent in the image from Andrew's site :

There is no SD card slot on the Core - it looks like an old photo was used and didn't get spotted so I've flagged it with the web guys...

Thanks

Phil

You can see where it has been photoshopped out...

G

Well done, Naim!  This is an impressive range of new products.  Soon we will be getting reports on how they sound.

Having recently been exposed to the sound of rips from a UnityServe, I will be taking a close look and listen to the Core.  Also, the potential for Roon support is of great interest, as well as evolution in the Naim app for the Core.

Charlie

nbpf posted

 

My only hope is that the new device is not just an improved incarnation of the current US. After so many years and considering the available alternatives, I expect the Core to set new standards in terms of energy consumption, OS openness, connectivity, stability, accessibility and, of course, quality of the BNC s/pdif output.

I agree with all this but particularly the '...quality of the BNC s/pdif output.' If it is as good or better than the NDX and a 'Statement Dac' (better that a TT) comes along then I'd buy both the Core & Dac in a second.

We really need a vanguard DAC naim.

G

 

Looking good, and certainly with more 'mass market' styling - so given that I have all my CDs ripped (years ago now & physical copies packed away in storage), only now buy download (preferably HiRes) or occasional Vinyl versions, have Networked Storage (RAID1 8TB with RAID1 6TB & 2TB backups) is there an option on a Core product for just serving from a Networked library to a Naim player? i.e. no Storage and no CD drive, or should I stick with Asset R5 UPnP engine running on a dedicated RPi with linear PSU - given this now has support for DSD (dsf/dff), and dynamic transcoding of all PCM formats to WAV.

In terms of the support for MQA, would be possible for the Core unit to unpack the MQA encrypted files and serve as WAV PCM in their highest format? Some sort of transcoding Endpoint.

I have one MQA Album so far and it presents itself as 24/48 but Roon (as I use this as a Library Management tool on a PC - confirming metadata, plus it links down the actual file location on the network storage) tells me it is MQA 24/96 but I can't play it as this. So as I understand the process, the additional information from the higher sample rate is 'folded' into the file without affecting its physical size on disk or when streamed (internal network or public internet), and that only a MQA capable decoding engine can unfold or unpack this. So, if an Endpoint device was able to perform the unpacking either to FLAC or transcode to WAV, as the track was being played, you have the best of both worlds - the reduced storage/bandwidth requirement with HiRes music, and reuse of existing downstream Network players/Streamer equipment,

So, if an Endpoint device was able to perform the unpacking outputing FLAC or transcode to WAV as the track was being played, you have the best of both worlds - the reduced storage/bandwidth requirement with HiRes music, and reuse of existing downstream Network players/Streamer equipment, All you need then, is a MQA encoder to run over the HiRes files to pack the higher sample rate information into the file format and reclaim storage space. 

Well, I was almost right in the guessing game thread.  Next year Naim will complete my guess with more products of this style to replace XS

Congrats to Naim. A great looking new range that looks perfectly placed for non main systems and to give a very easy and visually linked upgrade path for Muso buyers.  Looks like a good strategy.

I hope they're on dem at Indulgence next week.

 

 

ChrisByrd posted:

This really is a massive achievement, so congratulations to everyone at Naim.  Enjoy the celebration

It's a bit hectic here for us to celebrate yet and there's a lot of work still in progress but personally I'm incredibly impressed with what the R&D and industrial design guys have turned out.

The build quality (IMHO) certainly seems up there with the best that we've done and definitely has a "hewn from solid" feel to it that you so easily get used to when you work with the kit every day but you suddenly notice not being there when you unbox anything else.

I loved Trevors posting above and it's been great to see him looking so proud today at the official birth of Naims newest - my congratulations to him for heading up this project, respect to the marketing team for all the incredibly hard work and late nights that they've put in to manage all this so well and my deepest admiration to the absolutely amazing group of guys who work here to come up with these bits of kit.

Phil

Richard Dane posted:
I'd be happy to avoid digital audio over USB if at all possible.  USB audio is really just a necessary evil forced upon us who dabble in computer audio.  A properly designed and applied s/pdif connection is much nicer.

 

You need to hear the Sonore microRendu and you'll be humming a different tune. USB can be done very very well, its just that Naim don't want to. Fair enough. 

Phil Harris posted:
Bob Edwards posted:

Pricing in US?

I would presume that the US distributor will be able to give you the best guidance as to US pricing ... It's not information that I would have I'm afraid.

Phil

Phil -

Thanks - I'll touch base with them at RMAF.

I'll echo the many compliments - they look superb and very well thought out.  I look forward to hearing them!

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