What new releases are you looking forward to?
Posted by: Voltaire on 02 May 2009
I'll start the ball rolling...
Depeche Mode "Spirit" - 2017
ewemon posted:
Pre-ordered when mailing came through.
Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
Bert Schurink posted:Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
This reminds me of two things. First, I always have to shake my head and grimace as I am the one who has to buy these Beethoven sets at full price as they come out because I have no patience to wait years for the much cheaper sets.
Next, this question reminded me that I had intended on starting a topic (yes, in my list of topics almost started) to ask everyone to help me find the last few remaining Complete Sonatas that exist that I don't have. I usually have to spend quite some time looking for the hard to find ones lately. We'll see maybe during Christmas time I'll have some time to temp myself some more.
I collect almost any good music but really Bach's WTC and Beethoven Piano Sonatas rightly define the Good Book for me. It was even for a while but now I would say that Beethoven Piano Sonatas is the largest single collection in my library. This music makes me so happy.
Florestan posted:Bert Schurink posted:Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
This reminds me of two things. First, I always have to shake my head and grimace as I am the one who has to buy these Beethoven sets at full price as they come out because I have no patience to wait years for the much cheaper sets.
Next, this question reminded me that I had intended on starting a topic (yes, in my list of topics almost started) to ask everyone to help me find the last few remaining Complete Sonatas that exist that I don't have. I usually have to spend quite some time looking for the hard to find ones lately. We'll see maybe during Christmas time I'll have some time to temp myself some more.
I collect almost any good music but really Bach's WTC and Beethoven Piano Sonatas rightly define the Good Book for me. It was even for a while but now I would say that Beethoven Piano Sonatas is the largest single collection in my library. This music makes me so happy.
In order to be of service to you we would either just shoot in the dark and would come with the newer sets (Zhao, Kadamo), or we would ask you to list your collection......, while that might violate against forum rules...:-)
Bert Schurink posted:Florestan posted:Bert Schurink posted:Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
This reminds me of two things. First, I always have to shake my head and grimace as I am the one who has to buy these Beethoven sets at full price as they come out because I have no patience to wait years for the much cheaper sets.
Next, this question reminded me that I had intended on starting a topic (yes, in my list of topics almost started) to ask everyone to help me find the last few remaining Complete Sonatas that exist that I don't have. I usually have to spend quite some time looking for the hard to find ones lately. We'll see maybe during Christmas time I'll have some time to temp myself some more.
I collect almost any good music but really Bach's WTC and Beethoven Piano Sonatas rightly define the Good Book for me. It was even for a while but now I would say that Beethoven Piano Sonatas is the largest single collection in my library. This music makes me so happy.
In order to be of service to you we would either just shoot in the dark and would come with the newer sets (Zhao, Kadamo), or we would ask you to list your collection......, while that might violate against forum rules...:-)
Hi Folks, Sorry to jump in here. I'm an enormous fan of Bachs WTC I - when I was 25 - I did not chase women but listened many times on saturday afternoon the whole WTC I. Magnificent experience, only disturbed by switching disks somewhere halfway the cyclus. I considered this an even better experience compared to listening an integral performance of the Goldberg Variations.
But, Beethoven and I never went on well. Still trying to get into the soul of his work, but it's still cold for me. The mondschein sonata which is supposed to be an entry work did not make it for me. One of his 3 symphonies did not make it either (according to my music history teacher on conservatory, he wrote only the 3rd, 5th and 9th symphony - the rest was to be ignored).
Can one of you give me a suggestion to listen to, or just a simple direction what to do to see or hear the soul of Beethoven?
Ardbeg10y posted:Bert Schurink posted:Florestan posted:Bert Schurink posted:Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
This reminds me of two things. First, I always have to shake my head and grimace as I am the one who has to buy these Beethoven sets at full price as they come out because I have no patience to wait years for the much cheaper sets.
Next, this question reminded me that I had intended on starting a topic (yes, in my list of topics almost started) to ask everyone to help me find the last few remaining Complete Sonatas that exist that I don't have. I usually have to spend quite some time looking for the hard to find ones lately. We'll see maybe during Christmas time I'll have some time to temp myself some more.
I collect almost any good music but really Bach's WTC and Beethoven Piano Sonatas rightly define the Good Book for me. It was even for a while but now I would say that Beethoven Piano Sonatas is the largest single collection in my library. This music makes me so happy.
In order to be of service to you we would either just shoot in the dark and would come with the newer sets (Zhao, Kadamo), or we would ask you to list your collection......, while that might violate against forum rules...:-)
Hi Folks, Sorry to jump in here. I'm an enormous fan of Bachs WTC I - when I was 25 - I did not chase women but listened many times on saturday afternoon the whole WTC I. Magnificent experience, only disturbed by switching disks somewhere halfway the cyclus. I considered this an even better experience compared to listening an integral performance of the Goldberg Variations.
But, Beethoven and I never went on well. Still trying to get into the soul of his work, but it's still cold for me. The mondschein sonata which is supposed to be an entry work did not make it for me. One of his 3 symphonies did not make it either (according to my music history teacher on conservatory, he wrote only the 3rd, 5th and 9th symphony - the rest was to be ignored).
Can one of you give me a suggestion to listen to, or just a simple direction what to do to see or hear the soul of Beethoven?
Sometimes you never get into music which a lot of people like. So perhaps you just don't need to accept that you are not into it (for me this is in on Leonard Cohen). But sometimes it also is worthwhile to dip in your toe a bit more. I have the feeling this is true for the Beethoven Sonatas as well. So hang in their. My suggestion would be to keep on listening to one sonata in a couple of cycles for a two week period. Every 2nd day etc. Perhaps with different players. My suggestion would be to take the most rich sonata the Hammerklavier one (29) and the players I would suggest (you can do it mostly with Tidal:
Paul Lewis
Wilhelm Kempff
Alfred Bredel
Friedrich Gulda
....
If you still don't like it after two weeks, then just accept that Beethoven sonatas are not for you.....
Bert Schurink posted:Ardbeg10y posted:Bert Schurink posted:Florestan posted:Bert Schurink posted:Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
This reminds me of two things. First, I always have to shake my head and grimace as I am the one who has to buy these Beethoven sets at full price as they come out because I have no patience to wait years for the much cheaper sets.
Next, this question reminded me that I had intended on starting a topic (yes, in my list of topics almost started) to ask everyone to help me find the last few remaining Complete Sonatas that exist that I don't have. I usually have to spend quite some time looking for the hard to find ones lately. We'll see maybe during Christmas time I'll have some time to temp myself some more.
I collect almost any good music but really Bach's WTC and Beethoven Piano Sonatas rightly define the Good Book for me. It was even for a while but now I would say that Beethoven Piano Sonatas is the largest single collection in my library. This music makes me so happy.
In order to be of service to you we would either just shoot in the dark and would come with the newer sets (Zhao, Kadamo), or we would ask you to list your collection......, while that might violate against forum rules...:-)
Hi Folks, Sorry to jump in here. I'm an enormous fan of Bachs WTC I - when I was 25 - I did not chase women but listened many times on saturday afternoon the whole WTC I. Magnificent experience, only disturbed by switching disks somewhere halfway the cyclus. I considered this an even better experience compared to listening an integral performance of the Goldberg Variations.
But, Beethoven and I never went on well. Still trying to get into the soul of his work, but it's still cold for me. The mondschein sonata which is supposed to be an entry work did not make it for me. One of his 3 symphonies did not make it either (according to my music history teacher on conservatory, he wrote only the 3rd, 5th and 9th symphony - the rest was to be ignored).
Can one of you give me a suggestion to listen to, or just a simple direction what to do to see or hear the soul of Beethoven?
Sometimes you never get into music which a lot of people like. So perhaps you just don't need to accept that you are not into it (for me this is in on Leonard Cohen). But sometimes it also is worthwhile to dip in your toe a bit more. I have the feeling this is true for the Beethoven Sonatas as well. So hang in their. My suggestion would be to keep on listening to one sonata in a couple of cycles for a two week period. Every 2nd day etc. Perhaps with different players. My suggestion would be to take the most rich sonata the Hammerklavier one (29) and the players I would suggest (you can do it mostly with Tidal:
Paul Lewis
Wilhelm Kempff
Alfred Bredel
Friedrich Gulda
....
If you still don't like it after two weeks, then just accept that Beethoven sonatas are not for you.....
Sorry missed one additional tip.... You could switch between different composers in between to also in general get more into the concept of piano sonatas in general. Mozart (easy), Haydn (easy), Beethoven (richer), Schubert (richer)...
Ardbeg10y posted:Bert Schurink posted:Florestan posted:Bert Schurink posted:Erich posted:Bert Schurink posted:
Bert, how many sets of the complete B Sonatas do you have? Its seems you collect them. I alsohave some.
Hi Erich, I am with my mother, so can't check right now but I guess it's at least 15+ complete cycles, might be even over 20. The best one is though a difficult question as they all have some level of charm.
This reminds me of two things. First, I always have to shake my head and grimace as I am the one who has to buy these Beethoven sets at full price as they come out because I have no patience to wait years for the much cheaper sets.
Next, this question reminded me that I had intended on starting a topic (yes, in my list of topics almost started) to ask everyone to help me find the last few remaining Complete Sonatas that exist that I don't have. I usually have to spend quite some time looking for the hard to find ones lately. We'll see maybe during Christmas time I'll have some time to temp myself some more.
I collect almost any good music but really Bach's WTC and Beethoven Piano Sonatas rightly define the Good Book for me. It was even for a while but now I would say that Beethoven Piano Sonatas is the largest single collection in my library. This music makes me so happy.
In order to be of service to you we would either just shoot in the dark and would come with the newer sets (Zhao, Kadamo), or we would ask you to list your collection......, while that might violate against forum rules...:-)
Hi Folks, Sorry to jump in here. I'm an enormous fan of Bachs WTC I - when I was 25 - I did not chase women but listened many times on saturday afternoon the whole WTC I. Magnificent experience, only disturbed by switching disks somewhere halfway the cyclus. I considered this an even better experience compared to listening an integral performance of the Goldberg Variations.
But, Beethoven and I never went on well. Still trying to get into the soul of his work, but it's still cold for me. The mondschein sonata which is supposed to be an entry work did not make it for me. One of his 3 symphonies did not make it either (according to my music history teacher on conservatory, he wrote only the 3rd, 5th and 9th symphony - the rest was to be ignored).
Can one of you give me a suggestion to listen to, or just a simple direction what to do to see or hear the soul of Beethoven?
Ardbeg10y:
What a wonderful question! I do not know you personally but if we were sitting face to face with you I would tell you the following:
By your own admission you clearly are not naturally moved by Beethoven. My suspicion is that you are looking for more Bach duplicated in character and style through any other composers (such as Beethoven) and then become disappointed since nothing you hear comes close to duplicating what you want (or need or expect) ? If this is the case, then I doubt very much anything anyone could say or suggest will win you over? There is nothing wrong with this as it is just being honest with yourself. I do not like a great deal of music in existence either and am not afraid to admit it. Life is too short and I generally maximize my time only focused on what is absolutely the best of the best (for me personally).
What I can only assure you of is that almost every major composer that followed Bach worshipped him, drew inspiration from and revered every aspect of the music of Bach and the man himself. So you will hear evidence of Bach in Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin and so on yet each one is entirely unique and every great composer has a distinct fingerprint to everything they do.
So although Bach’s fingerprint marks most music that followed it, the paradox is that if you want only more Bach through someone else you probably should expect to be continually disappointed. Beethoven would not be Beethoven without the influence of Bach but in character the music is already quite far removed from the style of Bach’s keyboard works (yet it is also rather similar). So if you will, Beethoven’s music is Bach put through a filter of a man (with a different fingerprint) who has moved on into the future.
Sadly, I have too often witnessed very intelligent individuals who simply could not get past the ever increasing human (emotional) and progressive elements of the musical character of successive composers after Bach over the next centuries.
So, if Bach (Baroque) music as it is really communicates directly to you then consider yourself already a lucky person. If you struggle with more modern composers then do not force yourself to like something that doesn’t suit your personality or feel guilty that you have to like other music to the same degree? It is quite understandable to follow your heart only. The same applies to people who may like Romantic period music or 20th century period music and do not necessarily care for Baroque music or Classical period music.
My own personal experience with music though is an acknowledgement that my initial love of music started as a child who didn’t know better. From the start, I don’t think I knew why I liked something or didn’t like something? It was quite simple actually though as everything I found out came about honestly and in an uninhibited way without preconceived notions and purely based on intuition. Goosebumps = a good thing, in other words !!. No emotional response = move on and find more goosebump producing or stimulating music. This is fine for a beginning foundation but now after decades of learning things the hard way I realize that growth comes from a continual pursuit of knowledge. Sometimes this means that it takes years or decades to move from not liking something initially to discovering that it can eventually be so rewarding to eventually get it as well.
To answer your question now I thought about recommending different Sonatas or different movements or different players that I find very awesome and then I realized that actually it would end up being the complete 32 sonatas then anyways and every interpreter.
Maybe this will not be your thing either but what I want to recommend for you and everyone who wants to understand Beethoven at a different level is to listen to a lecture series from Sir András Schiff for every Sonata. The following link is for the Op. 110 (no. 31) Sonata in A-flat major. This Sonata incorporates a Fugue in it and so I thought this would be a perfect introduction to Beethoven for you even though this is late Beethoven and maybe a century removed from the WTC. You should be aware that this is Beethoven already having left the Classical period and is leading the way into the start of the Romantic period. The overall sentiment of this Sonata is a hymn to human tragedy, pain and suffering (his own). Many would argue that Bach (and all Baroque composers) knew how to control their emotions and did not allow their music to overflow with emotion. This of course, in my opinion, is not true. The great composers, including Bach, filled their music with meaning, symbolism, and had a storyline to it. Schiff is remarkably insightful with this series and this is a mandatory assignment for anyone who wants to understand the Beethoven sonatas. Your life will change as a result of this study. You will have to find some quite time and devote maybe an hour or two per day for about a month. First read about the Sonata (maybe the Wikileak page as below?), listen to the Schiff lecture and then re-listen to the sonata played complete.
Hint: If your eyes don't get shiny and possibly you need to reach for a tissue at times or the light bulb doesn't go off as Schiff opens up your mind and insight into the music then there is a disconnect and so just stick with Bach and what you know gives you personal joy.
http://download.guardian.co.uk...02-31aflmajop110.mp3
Basically, from here if you go to the following Wikipedia page and then from here you can read about each Sonata first off. From here, I think every Sonata page has a link near the bottom that will take you to the Schiff lecture for that particular Sonata. Honestly, this is a pure treasure trove of information. This is the approach I would recommend that you take as this way you might have a little more insight into what you are hearing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_sonatas_(Beethoven)
I would not focus on specific players and recordings for now. Connect intellectually and emotionally with the music and then there is no looking back. This is the way I have fed my addiction to this music.
Regards,
Doug
February 2017
20th of January 2017
