Are we sleep-walking out of Europe ?

Resurrection posted:

zikarus posted:

Could someone explain to a european mainland citizen what makes the Brexiteers think they would be better off on their own in todays globalized world of Trumps, Putins and Erdogans? What exactly could justify a vote to leave the EU despite the fact that this organization has made possible 70+ years of peace in Europe?

We would continue to spell ‘organise’ the correct way and could also continue to be a member of NATO, the real defence, sic, of Europe.

Nice, the famous british humour... Big fan of Little Britain here.

hastings posted:

... you can't fix other's problems but you should own yours - and have the power to correct them.  Who would devise or approve a system that takes that away?

Wait, where do you begin? Are you married? Lol...

zikarus posted:

Resurrection posted:

zikarus posted:

Could someone explain to a european mainland citizen what makes the Brexiteers think they would be better off on their own in todays globalized world of Trumps, Putins and Erdogans? What exactly could justify a vote to leave the EU despite the fact that this organization has made possible 70+ years of peace in Europe?

We would continue to spell ‘organise’ the correct way and could also continue to be a member of NATO, the real defence, sic, of Europe.

Nice, the famous british humour... Big fan of Little Britain here.

I am going to break you in gently, ZIkarus, as there are others here needing much more reeducation,  unfortunately they are really not responding very well  to the treatment. 

Resurrection posted:

zikarus posted:

Resurrection posted:

zikarus posted:

Could someone explain to a european mainland citizen what makes the Brexiteers think they would be better off on their own in todays globalized world of Trumps, Putins and Erdogans? What exactly could justify a vote to leave the EU despite the fact that this organization has made possible 70+ years of peace in Europe?

We would continue to spell ‘organise’ the correct way and could also continue to be a member of NATO, the real defence, sic, of Europe.

Nice, the famous british humour... Big fan of Little Britain here.

I am going to break you in gently, ZIkarus, as there are others here needing much more reeducation,  unfortunately they are really not responding very well  to the treatment. 

Thx Resurrection. Let us begin with the spelling lesson then: call me zikarus.

zikarus posted:

Resurrection posted:

zikarus posted:

Resurrection posted:

zikarus posted:

Could someone explain to a european mainland citizen what makes the Brexiteers think they would be better off on their own in todays globalized world of Trumps, Putins and Erdogans? What exactly could justify a vote to leave the EU despite the fact that this organization has made possible 70+ years of peace in Europe?

We would continue to spell ‘organise’ the correct way and could also continue to be a member of NATO, the real defence, sic, of Europe.

Nice, the famous british humour... Big fan of Little Britain here.

I am going to break you in gently, ZIkarus, as there are others here needing much more reeducation,  unfortunately they are really not responding very well  to the treatment. 

Thx Resurrection. Let us begin with the spelling lesson then: call me zikarus.

Damn, that was my second attempt at your name, the first one was much worse! Now, Zikarus?

You might need to try that again with a small z as well ?

 You seem to be able to gloss over important details.

Don Atkinson posted:

You might need to try that again with a small z as well ?

 You seem to be able to gloss over important details.

Hmm, zikarius seems to be something about Finnish Deviant art, but, as far as I can see, no nasty connotations. Am sure he'll fill us in later.

Oh, and I did respond to his question: left to its own devices the Erdogahs and Putins would make mincemeat of the EU. Their problem resides with NATO and its US backbone. Anyway, it appears that Trump's neocon aggression, along with Chinese cajoling has got Mr Kim hotfooting it down to South Korea, something Trump's posing, preening predecessor did not achieve in eight years, nor would Horrid Hilary either.

I thought Resurrection was a reincarnation of Nigel Farrage when he was pushed out of British politics, given the timing of his appearing on here and the impressions given by some of his posts (and he did not deny when suggested!), but increasingly he reminds me of a gun-defending present-POTUS-supporting far right American. I wonder if he had a different moniker when the former T thread was running.

Innocent Bystander posted:

I thought Resurrection was a reincarnation of Nigel Farrage when he was pushed out of British politics, given the timing of his appearing on here and the impressions given by some of his posts (and he did not deny when suggested!), but increasingly he reminds me of a gun-defending present-POTUS-supporting far right American. I wonder if he had a different moniker when the former T thread was running.

IB, you never fail to amuse! Actually, I am a very quiet, peace loving, retired old gent living frugally off his OAP,  simply portraying redneck fantasies on this BB when actually I am a Corbyn loving, EU admiring, open minded, tolerant Liberal. I love everybody, everywhere and just wish they could all be here. Oh, just noticed they all are.

Ressurection was of course incarnated when gerronwithit had his wings clipped, but our eagle eyed editor could not be fooled that easily, could you ED? And thus I am ever constrained from expressing all my warm and heartfelt principles since the emotional incontinence these would engender would be bigly crushing. 

Actually, the one thing I might really take offence, sic, at would be anything to do with guns. I have fired shotguns at clay pigeons 3 times in my life and am ardently anti-gun. My alter-ego on Breitbart is not well received by the real US rednecks as I am as happy to express my views there as here. In fact they are much more impolite to me as anyone here. 

"Please don't let me be misunderstood!" (My musical allusion for today).

Innocent Bystander posted:

I thought Resurrection was a reincarnation of Nigel Farrage when he was pushed out of British politics, given the timing of his appearing on here and the impressions given by some of his posts (and he did not deny when suggested!), but increasingly he reminds me of a gun-defending present-POTUS-supporting far right American. I wonder if he had a different moniker when the former T thread was running.

he was reurrected when a previous, somewhat blunt, member disappeared.

About this time last year.

Don Atkinson posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

I thought Resurrection was a reincarnation of Nigel Farrage when he was pushed out of British politics, given the timing of his appearing on here and the impressions given by some of his posts (and he did not deny when suggested!), but increasingly he reminds me of a gun-defending present-POTUS-supporting far right American. I wonder if he had a different moniker when the former T thread was running.

he was reurrected when a previous, somewhat blunt, member disappeared.

About this time last year.

Dan, my own post below was posted before your own, but, as always, awaited approval. Resurrection is gerronwithit and has not changed his views one iota. If I wanted, I could soon create another alter-ego with a different email address and have my views posted unfettered. It would be have been naive of me and anyone following this thread to fail to realise that Resurrection was part of my own mischief making. 

Anyway, anything I write that is considered suspect in any way then you won't see it even if that annoys me. However, I will admit that on the odd occasion the mod has been correct in not posting something I have written and once I have sobered up am usually in agreement. Before you clutch at straws, I am sober at least most of the day, most days. ????

Blast, and I thought we had the pleasure of Nigel Farrage’s redneck alter-ego

Almost arcadian 

Innocent Bystander posted:

Blast, and I thought we had the pleasure of Nigel Farrage’s redneck alter-ego

Almost arcadian 

He's my favoured child.... almost! ????

Duncan Mann posted:

But we are where we are, ...

More Schrödinger's - as we actually have no clue as to where we are until the box is opened and the character and health of 'Brexit' becomes manifest.

Resurrection posted:

Hmm, zikarius seems to be something about Finnish Deviant art, but, as far as I can see, no nasty connotations. Am sure he'll fill us in later.

Oh, and I did respond to his question: left to its own devices the Erdogahs and Putins would make mincemeat of the EU. Their problem resides with NATO and its US backbone. Anyway, it appears that Trump's neocon aggression, along with Chinese cajoling has got Mr Kim hotfooting it down to South Korea, something Trump's posing, preening predecessor did not achieve in eight years, nor would Horrid Hilary either.

Zikarus is just a fantasy. My favourite alias might be zeromancer, but well in a forum mainly dealing with music that would be somewhat...

So your reason for the brexit is exactly what?

Your answer though is interesting as in reducing peace to weapons in the end. The strength of the EU lies indeed far beyond that. Let's call it understanding among nations. Guess thats more valuable because sustainable than the - nonetheless important - NATO. Especially since there live so many people so close together in Europe. Keeping in mind that my grandfathers were fighting against your ancestors until only 19 years before I was born it is quite amazing what had already changed until I turned 19. Remember a 10 day visit in Broadstairs with my school class that was quite enlightening.... And even 30 more years later Europe has matured even more.

The EU has its weaknesses, that need to be addressed, no doubt, but what better organisation (hope you like it this way :-) do we have? Whereelse could we (almost all European people) be forced to deal and argue with each other for a better future? What could be wrong about this?

Head back to single states? Not the right direction. I like families and family life. But hey why do the Brexiteers not consequently go down the whole route of their argumentation and fulfill their dream in making 'Little Britain' - or better little England - come true by giving up Wales etc pp? 

Zikarus, that is frighteningly close to the truth.

zeromancer ?

A nihilist?

And then we could decide the whole thing not by referendum but by a penalty shoot-out.  

William posted:

And then we could decide the whole thing not by referendum but by a penalty shoot-out.  

And the Germans would always win. 

Zikarus thank you. I don‘t think that people in the UK really know how perplexed Europeans are that so many people England do not want to work TOGETHER with the rest of Europe. Yes maybe England should leave the UK as well!

Resurrection posted:

William posted:

And then we could decide the whole thing not by referendum but by a penalty shoot-out.  

And the Germans would always win. 

Exactly so why not join the team?

William posted:

Resurrection posted:

William posted:

And then we could decide the whole thing not by referendum but by a penalty shoot-out.  

And the Germans would always win. 

Exactly so why not join the team?

Brexit at all costs!  Because it's a matter of entrenched principle not of logic!

 

Zikarus is just a fantasy. My favourite alias might be zeromancer, but well in a forum mainly dealing with music that would be somewhat...

So your reason for the brexit is exactly what?

Your answer though is interesting as in reducing peace to weapons in the end. The strength of the EU lies indeed far beyond that. Let's call it understanding among nations. Guess thats more valuable because sustainable than the - nonetheless important - NATO. Especially since there live so many people so close together in Europe. Keeping in mind that my grandfathers were fighting against your ancestors until only 19 years before I was born it is quite amazing what had already changed until I turned 19. Remember a 10 day visit in Broadstairs with my school class that was quite enlightening.... And even 30 more years later Europe has matured even more.

The EU has its weaknesses, that need to be addressed, no doubt, but what better organisation (hope you like it this way :-) do we have? Whereelse could we (almost all European people) be forced to deal and argue with each other for a better future? What could be wrong about this?

Head back to single states? Not the right direction. I like families and family life. But hey why do the Brexiteers not consequently go down the whole route of their argumentation and fulfill their dream in making 'Little Britain' - or better little England - come true by giving up Wales etc pp? 

Ah so! When I voted in 1975 it was for the EEC and I can assure you that I would vote for that institution again. Unfortunately the original trading pact morphed into an attempted supra-national state and am afraid it is this that I despise. As someone else pointed out, there are many disparate cultures within the European continent and perhaps idealists would like to see them homogenised. Some may argue that this process is worthwhile but obviously am in violent disagreement. The integration of thousands of years of cultural separation is not going to happen no matter how peaceful that process may superficially appear. 

The Greeks, the Italian, the Portuguese have all suffered from the currency harmonisation with their economies still struggling. Nice experiment, shame about the result. A loose economic federation would probably be agreeable but not the grand, political, bureaucratic behemoth that is the EU.

Am not giving up anything as I have lived and worked in Europe and next month I will be off to Bologna for a holiday. I am a committed European but no EUrophile.

Resurrection posted:

William posted:

And then we could decide the whole thing not by referendum but by a penalty shoot-out.  

And the Germans would always win. 

Could deal with this ;-)

William posted:

And then we could decide the whole thing not by referendum but by a penalty shoot-out.  

What is the word ‘penalty’ doing in that sentence?