Are we sleep-walking out of Europe ?
Posted by: Don Atkinson on 09 February 2016
Media interest seems to be focused on the trivial matter of "in-work benefits" to migrant workers from Europe.
Very little informed discussion of the benefits and consequences of us remaining part of Europe v the benefits and consequences of us leaving.
Or am I just not tuning into the appropriate TV channel or overlooking some "White Paper" that is on sale in WH Smith ?
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by SamClaus
Resurrection posted: In fact you would probably notice that I never ever challenge any of you on your HiFi postings as I do not believe I have a deep enough musical or technical knowledge.
Indeed you have a deep knowledge of Europe and all things European.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Innocent Bystander
MDS posted:
Talking of Home Secretaries, I see a leaked letter published by The Guardian has cranked up the pressure on Rudd. Apparently she wrote to the PM in January 2017 describing a 10% increase in enforced deportations, a target she has very recently told the House of Commons she wasn't aware of. Oops!
I'd be interested to see how she talks her way out of this one. Misleading the House is normally a crime for which ministers do not survive.
If she wrote that to the the PM, and latter hasn’t sacked her already for lying about it, then surely her own position is untenable...
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Resurrection posted:
Huge posted:
Resurrection posted:
You are of course referring to the likes of JRM, Boris, Redwood and Gove.
God help us and this Nation if, or when, any of this lot get to No10 or 11.
You, of course would prefer Corbyn, McDonnell, Nugee and Abbott. Unbelievable!
The converse of 'A' isn't necessarily 'B'.
A Hiuge example of obscurantism... 
You were guilty of presumption, which where politics is unforgiveable. I’npm unclear how Huge’s answer must be obsuration, when it is simply pointing out that your prsumption is not necessarily correct, and indeed it may not be.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by MDS
Innocent Bystander posted:
MDS posted:
Talking of Home Secretaries, I see a leaked letter published by The Guardian has cranked up the pressure on Rudd. Apparently she wrote to the PM in January 2017 describing a 10% increase in enforced deportations, a target she has very recently told the House of Commons she wasn't aware of. Oops!
I'd be interested to see how she talks her way out of this one. Misleading the House is normally a crime for which ministers do not survive.
If she wrote that to the the PM, and latter hasn’t sacked her already for lying about it, then surely her own position is untenable...
Ordinarily I would agree. But it must be a bit hard for TM to sack Rudd for trying, unsuccessfully, to hide a targets-based deportation policy which she created. 
I suspect TM might now hope Rudd falls on her sword so enabling her to keep some distance.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Resurrection
Innocent Bystander posted:
Resurrection posted:
Huge posted:
Resurrection posted:
You are of course referring to the likes of JRM, Boris, Redwood and Gove.
God help us and this Nation if, or when, any of this lot get to No10 or 11.
You, of course would prefer Corbyn, McDonnell, Nugee and Abbott. Unbelievable!
The converse of 'A' isn't necessarily 'B'.
A Hiuge example of obscurantism...
You were guilty of presumption, which where politics is unforgiveable. I’npm unclear how Huge’s answer must be obsuration, when it is simply pointing out that your prsumption is not necessarily correct, and indeed it may not be.
If I understood any of what you have written, IB, I might respond, but alas I don't.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Resurrection posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
Resurrection posted:
Huge posted:
Resurrection posted:
You are of course referring to the likes of JRM, Boris, Redwood and Gove.
God help us and this Nation if, or when, any of this lot get to No10 or 11.
You, of course would prefer Corbyn, McDonnell, Nugee and Abbott. Unbelievable!
The converse of 'A' isn't necessarily 'B'.
A Hiuge example of obscurantism...
You were guilty of presumption, which where politics is unforgiveable. I’npm unclear how Huge’s answer must be obsuration, when it is simply pointing out that your prsumption is not necessarily correct, and indeed it may not be.
If I understood any of what you have written, IB, I might respond, but alas I don't.
I’m sure you can understand. If you try
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
Resurrection posted:
You are of course referring to the likes of JRM, Boris, Redwood and Gove.
God help us and this Nation if, or when, any of this lot get to No10 or 11.
You, of course would prefer Corbyn, McDonnell, Nugee and Abbott. Unbelievable!
What on Earth leads you to such an outrageous conclusion ? You are clearly demented !
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Resurrection
Don Atkinson posted:
Resurrection posted:
You are of course referring to the likes of JRM, Boris, Redwood and Gove.
God help us and this Nation if, or when, any of this lot get to No10 or 11.
You, of course would prefer Corbyn, McDonnell, Nugee and Abbott. Unbelievable!
What on Earth leads you to such an outrageous conclusion ? You are clearly demented !
You're getting a little excited there. Take it easy, after all Rudd's gone - hopefully to be replaced by JRM ????
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
It will be interesting to see what the inevitable reshuffle delivers.
JRM for Home Secretary?
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Christopher_M
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
Christopher_M posted:
Jacob Rees-Mogg
not confirmed.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Christopher_M
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
Christopher_M posted:
I was unaware of the correct abbreviation. Looks like I shall have to resign..........
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Resurrection
Don Atkinson posted:
It will be interesting to see what the inevitable reshuffle delivers.
JRM for Home Secretary?
Yes, JRM he'll soon show Johnny Foreigner what for! Actually, as far as I know he s not anti-immigration, or indeed anti-foreigner. Come on guys and gals let's all agree for once that having got rid of Rudderless we can drop all our differences and become Mogg Maniacs! ????
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Huge
Resurrection posted:
Yes, JRM he'll soon show Johnny Foreigner what for! Actually, as far as I know he s not anti-immigration, or indeed anti-foreigner. Come on guys and gals let's all agree for once that having got rid of Rudderless we can drop all our differences and become Mogg Maniacs! ????
Or moggies!
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Resurrection
Okay, only joking about JRM. In a spirit of cross Party cooperation and in order to provide accurate numerical control of immigration, May has asked Diane Abbott to become Home Secretary.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by lutyens
Can't we just try and keep going and that as Rudd was simply carrying out TM's policies, can't we get rid of her too?
(Then we could have JR-M as PM instead!) Oh happy days
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
Or perhaps the Gov will collapse and we will wind up with the Lib-Dems (Vince Cable) holding the balance of power again and a re-run of the referendum............
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Resurrection
lutyens posted:
Can't we just try and keep going and that as Rudd was simply carrying out TM's policies, can't we get rid of her too?
(Then we could have JR-M as PM instead!) Oh happy days
Oh mate, if only. Am going to sleep well tonight dreaming my man Mogg has replaced Maggie May and we're all on board SS UK for a non-EU Nirvana where we will live happily ever after, amen ????
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Don Atkinson
I bet TM wishes she only had to cope with MY brain teasers 
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by The Strat (Fender)
Interesting to see how it all plays out now!
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Huge
Don Atkinson posted:
Or perhaps the Gov will collapse and we will wind up with the Lib-Dems (Vince Cable) holding the balance of power again and a re-run of the referendum............
That can't possibly happen...
Resurrection says that there won't be a re-run of the referendum...
...and he KNOWS for certain - he's assured us of that.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Eloise
Resurrection posted:
You, of course would prefer Corbyn, McDonnell, Nugee and Abbott. Unbelievable!
Prefer yes... but that doesn’t mean I think they are the best people for the job but when the choice is (pretty much) A or B yes I would prefer Corbyn to May, prefer McDonnell to Hammond, Thornberry to Johnson and yes, even prefer (Dianne) Abbot to Rudd. I would prefer a third choice, but our flawed democracy leaves very little choice for most of the country.
The Labour front bench have their flaws, but their flaws are minor in comparison to the unprincipled bunch of opportunist and populist figures in charge at the moment. A group of people who will sacrifice the best outcome for the country on the alter of doctrine in an attempt to retain power! A group who will lie in word and by omission. Who wish to obfuscate their inadequacies by playing the “anti-semitism” card while playing to racist motivations to increase their support, then play dumb when they are caught. A group who’s interests are more in pleasing the proprietors and editors of Daily Mail and the Sun than actually dealing with the problems of the country.
Posted on: 29 April 2018 by Duncan Mann
Huge posted:
Interesting example of narcissism there! 
Interesting? There's enough material here for an entire conference!
Let's see who gets the allusion...
