Atom - DELAYED AGAIN?!?!

ssmith posted:

Christine posted:

There seems to be a lot of people split over the Atom

In what way?

Very good, brain just caught up. Not used to humour in this thread.

ssmith posted:

ssmith posted:

Christine posted:

There seems to be a lot of people split over the Atom

In what way?

Very good, brain just caught up. Not used to humour in this thread.

Christine was just fission for a reaction.

Klout10 posted:

For what it's worth: my dealer confirmed today that my Uniti Atom will be available in two weeks ... 

His dealer needs to read yesterday's letter from NAIM then!!

Mike R posted:

Klout10 posted:

For what it's worth: my dealer confirmed today that my Uniti Atom will be available in two weeks ... 

His dealer needs to read yesterday's letter from NAIM then!!

Prey tell...Letter?

Tastiehastie77 posted:

Mike R posted:

Klout10 posted:

For what it's worth: my dealer confirmed today that my Uniti Atom will be available in two weeks ... 

His dealer needs to read yesterday's letter from NAIM then!!

Prey tell...Letter?

They've just updated the status......

Looks like Klout's dealer and mine were going on information that was superceded by a later email.

That's the end of a June delivery then.......unbelievable!

Mike R posted:

Klout10 posted:

For what it's worth: my dealer confirmed today that my Uniti Atom will be available in two weeks ... 

His dealer needs to read yesterday's letter from NAIM then!!

Mike, what letter do you mean? I'm a bit confused ...

Naim have posted the letter on the forum, they failed another external test, hence will not be shipping until they fix and retest?

To help Klout10 and anyone else who wants to see the letter, it's in the Uniti progress thread here.

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...niti-progress-update

It's the 1st post on the 8th June update.

Rather oddly, the progress update only appears in the HiFi Corner. One might expect it to feature in Streaming Audio as well.

Well there you go - I'm outta here; bored of this now, all the best and good luck all.

An open question:

Do we need Apple support on our Naim products?

Christine posted:

An open question:

Do we need Apple support on our Naim products?

You may not need it ... but I suspect a lot are sold because of it.

Oh and no-one said it was Apple who "failed" the Atom.

I was trying hard to stay quiet

ignore airplay2. Apple announced it this week for delivery later in the year. That's probably q4. Naim cannot ship it until Apple says so

thats all there is to it. 

jon honeyball posted:

I was trying hard to stay quiet

ignore airplay2. Apple announced it this week for delivery later in the year. That's probably q4. Naim cannot ship it until Apple says so

thats all there is to it. 

Not sure that's quite right!

I do agree that Naim probably can't say "AirPlay 2 ready" until Apple say they can, but Naim probably can ship Atoms with the functionality built in if they want to and also they could disable the functionality and then enable later it with a firmware or app update if they preferred.  So I don't think we should be thinking that the Atom is held up until Apple decides, which is what your "all there is to it" implies.

And the fail they have just run into may not be Apple as Eloise said.

best

David

It is all there is to it

there is no production code from Apple. It is in early beta. There is no shipping apple os with it in. You cannot test for compliance against something that is barely beta. It is months from being ready from Apple let alone a third party implementing the spec 

jon honeyball posted:

It is all there is to it

there is no production code from Apple. It is in early beta. There is no shipping apple os with it in. You cannot test for compliance against something that is barely beta. It is months from being ready from Apple let alone a third party implementing the spec 

I do agree with that! But the Atom isn't held up because of it.

best

David

I think you and Jon are saying the same thing David. As I read his original post, he was saying "Naim can't ship it until Apple say so" with it referring to Airplay 2, and the intent of the message being that Airplay 2 wasn't what was holding up the shipping of the Atom because it was to be launched after the Atom shipped.

A certification is holding up the Atom, it could be Google for Chromecast, it could be Apple for Airplay (not Airplay 2), it could be any other feature that requires external certification.

Atom delays have nothing to do with airpkay2. Trevor has said so. I believe him. 

Quite so eouink. I have no idea what the issue is. But I guarantee it's not airplay2

With respect Jon, it was you who first mentioned AirPlay 2, not me.

best

David

I wonder why they can't release the Atom now and disable via software whatever it is they can't obtain a licence for then enable it once the hurdle has been jumped?

Christine posted:

I wonder why they can't release the Atom now and disable via software whatever it is they can't obtain a licence for then enable it once the hurdle has been jumped?

I think there are 2 main reasons.

i) The feature set of the new Unitis has been announced, let's say it's Chromecast that's the issue, to launch without that would be a big hole in the new feature set, it it's Airplay (1), then a big hole in the feature set that the previous generation had, and so on depending on which feature set it is.  So from a marketing perspective, I can see why you'd hold on to launch the full system, effectively "don't do another Core".

ii) As an ex software engineer, the chances are that the certification will require some changes, so shipping would then mean early firmware changes, not just a licence enabling, totally possible, but I can see why you wouldn't choose to do it.

There are issues in USA tax law about enabling things after launch. To do with how you book the value of the transaction. I am not an accountant. But Apple had to make a $1 charge in the past for enabling capabilities post release on their wifi products. 

Eoink posted:

Christine posted:

I wonder why they can't release the Atom now and disable via software whatever it is they can't obtain a licence for then enable it once the hurdle has been jumped?

I think there are 2 main reasons.

i) The feature set of the new Unitis has been announced, let's say it's Chromecast that's the issue, to launch without that would be a big hole in the new feature set, it it's Airplay (1), then a big hole in the feature set that the previous generation had, and so on depending on which feature set it is.  So from a marketing perspective, I can see why you'd hold on to launch the full system, effectively "don't do another Core".

ii) As an ex software engineer, the chances are that the certification will require some changes, so shipping would then mean early firmware changes, not just a licence enabling, totally possible, but I can see why you wouldn't choose to do it.

 

Yes, you are probably correct.

I guess we are only a very small bunch of people who are bothered that we can't purchase it right now.