Uniti Atom/Nova/Star - New firmware - March/April 2018 Comments

EoinKav posted:

Alley Cat posted:

EoinKav posted:

.... the earlier downgrade warning about  not being able to use ChromeCast  was bugging me.

So was that a red herring?

No, as far as downgrading to 2.3 it reports the firmware is at too low a level to use chromecast.

Chromecast is not listed in the inputs like it is with 2.6.

I'm beginning to think that perhaps the downgrade didn't actually downgrade some component to 2.3 level to allow chromecast to initialise.

Problem is I don't recall seeing the Chromecast warning or any dialogues when I down graded to 2.3 the first time. I factory reset the system and then continued the installation with the app. 

This morning I didn't use the App when I downgraded and reset, I used the remote to continue the installation. The chromecast error screen was shown on the atom display

Strange.  I've gone back to 2.3 several times and Chromecast is still there.

Alley Cat posted:

nbpf posted:

I have been using the upmpdcli UPnP renderer for meanwhile more than two years: it integrates support for Tidal and Qobuz quite nicely, is very reliable and is a one-man hobby project. 

Could you elaborate on this - I have Qobuz Sublime amd have struggled to get gapless playback for streamed audio - the renders suggests it can do gapless, what other software do you use with it - I have Mac/iOS devices by the way.

What would you like to know precisely? I have installed upmpdcli (google "upmpdcli les bons comptes"), the needed extensions (upmpdcli-qobuz, upmpdcli-tidal, etc.) as per documentation and set my Qobuz credentials in upmpdcli.conf. That's it. In the control point (BubbleUPnP, Linn Kazoo, etc.) you then see a upmpd-mediaserver renderer (beside your standard upmpd renderer) and this gives you access to Qobuz, etc. I have only Qobuz Sublime in 16/44.1 and I do not use it so much. I haven't noticed replay problems even with a Raspberry Pi 3B connected via wireless but I rarely use Qobuz for opera or gapless critical listening. Thus I cannot say gapless replay works 100% for sure. I will try once I am back home tomorrow and report. I have never tried high resolution Qobuz streaming but I would expect that to work fine with a wired connection or through my fitPC3 on the 5GHz wireless. The Qobuz, Tidal, etc. interfaces made available by upmpdcli are simple but they work just fine for me. I have not tried possible alternatives, for me the combination of MinimServer and upmpdcli running on the same device is perfect. Best, nbpf 

nbpf posted:

Alley Cat posted:

nbpf posted:

I have been using the upmpdcli UPnP renderer for meanwhile more than two years: it integrates support for Tidal and Qobuz quite nicely, is very reliable and is a one-man hobby project. 

Could you elaborate on this - I have Qobuz Sublime amd have struggled to get gapless playback for streamed audio - the renders suggests it can do gapless, what other software do you use with it - I have Mac/iOS devices by the way.

What would you like to know precisely? I have installed upmpdcli (google "upmpdcli les bons comptes"), the needed extensions (upmpdcli-qobuz, upmpdcli-tidal, etc.) as per documentation and set my Qobuz credentials in upmpdcli.conf. That's it. In the control point (BubbleUPnP, Linn Kazoo, etc.) you then see a upmpd-mediaserver renderer (beside your standard upmpd renderer) and this gives you access to Qobuz, etc. I have only Qobuz Sublime in 16/44.1 and I do not use it so much. I haven't noticed replay problems even with a Raspberry Pi 3B connected via wireless but I rarely use Qobuz for opera or gapless critical listening. Thus I cannot say gapless replay works 100% for sure. I will try once I am back home tomorrow and report. I have never tried high resolution Qobuz streaming but I would expect that to work fine with a wired connection or through my fitPC3 on the 5GHz wireless. The Qobuz, Tidal, etc. interfaces made available by upmpdcli are simple but they work just fine for me. I have not tried possible alternatives, for me the combination of MinimServer and upmpdcli running on the same device is perfect. Best, nbpf 

I guess I was wondering what you used as a control point - is Linn Kazoo available to non-Linn owners?

Do you mainly control on a PC/Mac or do you use a  mobile device - I mainly have iOS devices and it'd be nice if it were controllable on a mobile not just via a computer.

I also have the CD quality Sublime subscription - I've found that a surprising number of things I listen to (opera included) need gapless to enjoy, and I'd be tempted to upgrade to Sublime + if I got get gapless playback to the Nova working from Qobuz for streamed items I'd not purchased.

It’s the Qobuz>Chromecast interface that’s jiggered as far as gapless is concerned. As soon as Qobuz fix their app the Nova will oblige you with gapless.

Nick Lees posted:

It’s the Qobuz>Chromecast interface that’s jiggered as far as gapless is concerned. As soon as Qobuz fix their app the Nova will oblige you with gapless.

So I gather, I guess there may be some wait for that 

Still waiting for them to fix the mess they made with the last update which makes songs repeat after a few seconds play.

Unfortunately Kazoo is Linn only. If you had Android you could use Bubbleupnp.

Alley Cat posted:

EoinKav posted:

Alley Cat posted:

EoinKav posted:

.... the earlier downgrade warning about  not being able to use ChromeCast  was bugging me.

So was that a red herring?

No, as far as downgrading to 2.3 it reports the firmware is at too low a level to use chromecast.

Chromecast is not listed in the inputs like it is with 2.6.

I'm beginning to think that perhaps the downgrade didn't actually downgrade some component to 2.3 level to allow chromecast to initialise.

Problem is I don't recall seeing the Chromecast warning or any dialogues when I down graded to 2.3 the first time. I factory reset the system and then continued the installation with the app. 

This morning I didn't use the App when I downgraded and reset, I used the remote to continue the installation. The chromecast error screen was shown on the atom display

Strange.  I've gone back to 2.3 several times and Chromecast is still there.

I have gone back and forth between 2.3 and 2.6 many times today and yesterday.

On my Atom ...  chromecast is listed in the inputs but when you click on it to and go to enable it it says the firmware needs to be updated.

When you downgrade on the Atom to 2.3 and do a factory reset and continue the setup process once you deny the found new firmware dialogue the Atom warns that Chromecast can't be used because you didn't update to 2.6.

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Unfortunately Kazoo is Linn only. If you had Android you could use Bubbleupnp.

No. I have no Linn devices in my LAN and I use Linn Kazoo in iOS to control upmpdcli and MinimServer.

Alley Cat posted:

nbpf posted:

Alley Cat posted:

nbpf posted:

I have been using the upmpdcli UPnP renderer for meanwhile more than two years: it integrates support for Tidal and Qobuz quite nicely, is very reliable and is a one-man hobby project. 

Could you elaborate on this - I have Qobuz Sublime amd have struggled to get gapless playback for streamed audio - the renders suggests it can do gapless, what other software do you use with it - I have Mac/iOS devices by the way.

What would you like to know precisely? I have installed upmpdcli (google "upmpdcli les bons comptes"), the needed extensions (upmpdcli-qobuz, upmpdcli-tidal, etc.) as per documentation and set my Qobuz credentials in upmpdcli.conf. That's it. In the control point (BubbleUPnP, Linn Kazoo, etc.) you then see a upmpd-mediaserver renderer (beside your standard upmpd renderer) and this gives you access to Qobuz, etc. I have only Qobuz Sublime in 16/44.1 and I do not use it so much. I haven't noticed replay problems even with a Raspberry Pi 3B connected via wireless but I rarely use Qobuz for opera or gapless critical listening. Thus I cannot say gapless replay works 100% for sure. I will try once I am back home tomorrow and report. I have never tried high resolution Qobuz streaming but I would expect that to work fine with a wired connection or through my fitPC3 on the 5GHz wireless. The Qobuz, Tidal, etc. interfaces made available by upmpdcli are simple but they work just fine for me. I have not tried possible alternatives, for me the combination of MinimServer and upmpdcli running on the same device is perfect. Best, nbpf 

I guess I was wondering what you used as a control point - is Linn Kazoo available to non-Linn owners?

Do you mainly control on a PC/Mac or do you use a  mobile device - I mainly have iOS devices and it'd be nice if it were controllable on a mobile not just via a computer.

I also have the CD quality Sublime subscription - I've found that a surprising number of things I listen to (opera included) need gapless to enjoy, and I'd be tempted to upgrade to Sublime + if I got get gapless playback to the Nova working from Qobuz for streamed items I'd not purchased.

I use Linn Kazoo on iOS and Android and Bubble UPnP on Android. Linn Kazoo can be used to control any renderer that supports the OpenHome standard, among others upmpdcli. It works with any UPnP server.

I control my server + renderer devices (a fitPC3 and a few Raspberry Pis) with an iPhone, an iPad (Linn Kazoo, Airplayer, mCommect) and with a Nexus 5X (Bubble UPnP, Linn Kazoo) mobile telephone. Upmpdcli relies on MPD. Thus, I can also control replay via MPD clients if I fancy to do so. When I am working with my laptop and I cannot reach for a mobile device, I control MPD with ncmpdcc. I mostly use my mobile phone or my wife's iPad, though. This allows me to browse classical music after Composer, Work, Ensemble, Conductor, Form, Genre, Period, etc. These (and many others user specific indexes) are supported by MinimServer but not by MPD. Thus, these days, I tend to access my music only via UPnP control points like Linn Kazoo or Bubble UPnP.

I have tried Tidal and I have a Qobuz Sublime subscription since last October but I do not use it very much. I will check tomorrow if I also have problems with gapless replay via Qobuz. I do not remember having these problems but I am not sure at this point. I will report back.

EoinKav posted:

Alley Cat posted:

EoinKav posted:

Alley Cat posted:

EoinKav posted:

.... the earlier downgrade warning about  not being able to use ChromeCast  was bugging me.

So was that a red herring?

No, as far as downgrading to 2.3 it reports the firmware is at too low a level to use chromecast.

Chromecast is not listed in the inputs like it is with 2.6.

I'm beginning to think that perhaps the downgrade didn't actually downgrade some component to 2.3 level to allow chromecast to initialise.

Problem is I don't recall seeing the Chromecast warning or any dialogues when I down graded to 2.3 the first time. I factory reset the system and then continued the installation with the app. 

This morning I didn't use the App when I downgraded and reset, I used the remote to continue the installation. The chromecast error screen was shown on the atom display

Strange.  I've gone back to 2.3 several times and Chromecast is still there.

I have gone back and forth between 2.3 and 2.6 many times today and yesterday.

On my Atom ...  chromecast is listed in the inputs but when you click on it to and go to enable it it says the firmware needs to be updated.

When you downgrade on the Atom to 2.3 and do a factory reset and continue the setup process once you deny the found new firmware dialogue the Atom warns that Chromecast can't be used because you didn't update to 2.6.

Which version of Chromecast do you see, with 2.3 I currently have 1.21.75965 and have not seen any warnings - it definitely works (on my Nova).  I don't have Share Usage Data enabled.

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Alley Cat posted:

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Since 2.6 BubbleUPNP Server doesn't do gapless Qobuz with the new Unitis (I use Kazoo on an iPad). It's being looked at I believe. I still plays nicely with the old streamers under 4.6 thankfully (for me).

Nick Lees posted:

Alley Cat posted:

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Since 2.6 BubbleUPNP Server doesn't do gapless Qobuz with the new Unitis (I use Kazoo on an iPad). It's being looked at I believe. I still plays nicely with the old streamers under 4.6 thankfully (for me).

That's a shame, I often struggle to understand how gapless playback seems to have been neglected by the industry on all sides as it's a pretty fundamental thing that ruins music if the gapless playback does not work.

Crhomecast built-in, Audirvana UPnP and Qobuz' latest desktop app via UPnP (admittedly beta) all seem to fail for me which really scupper streaming subscriptions as the only sure way of getting gapless seems to be by purchasing the material and storing on a NAS or USB Device.

Nick Lees posted:

Alley Cat posted:

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Since 2.6 BubbleUPNP Server doesn't do gapless Qobuz with the new Unitis (I use Kazoo on an iPad). It's being looked at I believe. I still plays nicely with the old streamers under 4.6 thankfully (for me).

Just to avoid confusion: I do not use Bubble UPnP Server (which is a multi-platform programs and, among others, a means of wrapping a non OpenHome renderer into an OpenHome one), only the Bubble UPnP app (control point) for Android. Upmpdcli (the UPnP renderer that I use under Debian and Raspbian) has interfaces to Tidal, Qobuz, Google Play Music and I think that the Qobuz interface supports gapless replay but I cannot confirm or confute this conjecture now since I am not at home. More tomorrow afternoon. Best, nbpf

Perhaps having LMS for your library instead of upnp would be be more useful for you and the free upnp plugin would allow you to stream to the Atom ( may need some tweaking)if you want gapless Qobuz. It's free so what's to loose. You could then use ipeng which is way better than the Naim app.

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Perhaps having LMS for your library instead of upnp would be be more useful for you and the free upnp plugin would allow you to stream to the Atom ( may need some tweaking)if you want gapless Qobuz. It's free so what's to loose. You could then use ipeng which is way better than the Naim app.

Sure it's obvious but what's LMS?

Logitech Media Server. Its the backend of what serves Squeezeboxes. It's all maintained by the community now, which is very mature and has a wealth of plugins which are free. These include Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer, Spotify . You will however need to use an app that talks to the server such as ipeng. But everythings.under one roof and ipengs a good app. I used LMS for years as had squeezeboxes, still have a radio but now use Roon as it can use the same endpoints. 

As its free might be worth a punt it has its hardcore followers and users but not for everyone. 

https://forums.slimdevices.com...ogitech-Media-Server

Also the desktop Qobuz app now supports upnp so that could be the path of least resistance. Not sure if you've tried it already.

Anyway back on topic. I am loving 2.6 now that it's fixed on my system. Everything sounds so much more alive. Currently I feel as if Sufjan Stevens is in my living room.

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Logitech Media Server. Its the backend of what serves Squeezeboxes. It's all maintained by the community now, which is very mature and has a wealth of plugins which are free. These include Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer, Spotify . You will however need to use an app that talks to the server such as ipeng. But everythings.under one roof and ipengs a good app. I used LMS for years as had squeezeboxes, still have a radio but now use Roon as it can use the same endpoints. 

As its free might be worth a punt it has its hardcore followers and users but not for everyone. 

Thanks -so many options!

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Also the desktop Qobuz app now supports upnp so that could be the path of least resistance. Not sure if you've tried it already.

Didn't work gapless for me unfortunately.  Also latest version seems to delete anything I download on a estart -purchased or otherwise.

nbpf posted:

Nick Lees posted:

Alley Cat posted:

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Since 2.6 BubbleUPNP Server doesn't do gapless Qobuz with the new Unitis (I use Kazoo on an iPad). It's being looked at I believe. I still plays nicely with the old streamers under 4.6 thankfully (for me).

Just to avoid confusion: I do not use Bubble UPnP Server (which is a multi-platform programs and, among others, a means of wrapping a non OpenHome renderer into an OpenHome one), only the Bubble UPnP app (control point) for Android. Upmpdcli (the UPnP renderer that I use under Debian and Raspbian) has interfaces to Tidal, Qobuz, Google Play Music and I think that the Qobuz interface supports gapless replay but I cannot confirm or confute this conjecture now since I am not at home. More tomorrow afternoon. Best, nbpf

I can confirm that Qobuz gapless replay works flawlessly under upmpdcli. I am listening to the first act of Lohengrin by Sir Mark Elder and the Royal Concergebouw Orchestra right now and I cannot hear any gap between tracks, even at very critical places like for instance between track 11 (Act 1, Scene 3, "Nun höret mich und achtet wohl") and track 12 (Act 1, Scene 3, "Durch Gottes Sieg ist jetzt dein Leben mein"). The details of my system are:

~$ uname -a
Linux fitpc3 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux

~$ upmpdcli -v
Upmpdcli 1.2.15 libupnpp 0.16.0

Remember that upmpdcli, while being extremely useful, is just a small application. It relies on MPD for replay. I might be missing something but I think that almost every network player (like the Sonore Rendus, the SoTM sMS-200s, etc.) support, among others, MPD. I would expect all these players to have no problem with gapless reply of Qobuz, Tidal, etc.

nbpf posted:

nbpf posted:

Nick Lees posted:

Alley Cat posted:

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Since 2.6 BubbleUPNP Server doesn't do gapless Qobuz with the new Unitis (I use Kazoo on an iPad). It's being looked at I believe. I still plays nicely with the old streamers under 4.6 thankfully (for me).

Just to avoid confusion: I do not use Bubble UPnP Server (which is a multi-platform programs and, among others, a means of wrapping a non OpenHome renderer into an OpenHome one), only the Bubble UPnP app (control point) for Android. Upmpdcli (the UPnP renderer that I use under Debian and Raspbian) has interfaces to Tidal, Qobuz, Google Play Music and I think that the Qobuz interface supports gapless replay but I cannot confirm or confute this conjecture now since I am not at home. More tomorrow afternoon. Best, nbpf

I can confirm that Qobuz gapless replay works flawlessly under upmpdcli. I am listening to the first act of Lohengrin by Sir Mark Elder and the Royal Concergebouw Orchestra right now and I cannot hear any gap between tracks, even at very critical places like for instance between track 11 (Act 1, Scene 3, "Nun höret mich und achtet wohl") and track 12 (Act 1, Scene 3, "Durch Gottes Sieg ist jetzt dein Leben mein"). The details of my system are:

~$ uname -a
Linux fitpc3 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux

~$ upmpdcli -v
Upmpdcli 1.2.15 libupnpp 0.16.0

Remember that upmpdcli, while being extremely useful, is just a small application. It relies on MPD for replay. I might be missing something but I think that almost every network player (like the Sonore Rendus, the SoTM sMS-200s, etc.) support, among others, MPD. I would expect all these players to have no problem with gapless reply of Qobuz, Tidal, etc.

Many thanks - much appreciated - sorry to ask another detail, can you confirm this is streaming Qobuz titlesfrom the internet not downloaded files on your LAN.  

Alley Cat posted:

nbpf posted:

nbpf posted:

Nick Lees posted:

Alley Cat posted:

Thanks nbpf that's very helpful.

Since 2.6 BubbleUPNP Server doesn't do gapless Qobuz with the new Unitis (I use Kazoo on an iPad). It's being looked at I believe. I still plays nicely with the old streamers under 4.6 thankfully (for me).

Just to avoid confusion: I do not use Bubble UPnP Server (which is a multi-platform programs and, among others, a means of wrapping a non OpenHome renderer into an OpenHome one), only the Bubble UPnP app (control point) for Android. Upmpdcli (the UPnP renderer that I use under Debian and Raspbian) has interfaces to Tidal, Qobuz, Google Play Music and I think that the Qobuz interface supports gapless replay but I cannot confirm or confute this conjecture now since I am not at home. More tomorrow afternoon. Best, nbpf

I can confirm that Qobuz gapless replay works flawlessly under upmpdcli. I am listening to the first act of Lohengrin by Sir Mark Elder and the Royal Concergebouw Orchestra right now and I cannot hear any gap between tracks, even at very critical places like for instance between track 11 (Act 1, Scene 3, "Nun höret mich und achtet wohl") and track 12 (Act 1, Scene 3, "Durch Gottes Sieg ist jetzt dein Leben mein"). The details of my system are:

~$ uname -a
Linux fitpc3 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux

~$ upmpdcli -v
Upmpdcli 1.2.15 libupnpp 0.16.0

Remember that upmpdcli, while being extremely useful, is just a small application. It relies on MPD for replay. I might be missing something but I think that almost every network player (like the Sonore Rendus, the SoTM sMS-200s, etc.) support, among others, MPD. I would expect all these players to have no problem with gapless reply of Qobuz, Tidal, etc.

Many thanks - much appreciated - sorry to ask another detail, can you confirm this is streaming Qobuz titlesfrom the internet not downloaded files on your LAN.  

Yes, this is Qobuz internet streaming (Sublime 16/44.1) via upmpdcli, I haven't this Lohengrin in my LAN. I have a few Qobuz downloads (but not this Lohengrin) on my mobile telephone but I can only access these through the Qobuz app on my phone, not through upmpdcli. There is no data sharing or whatsoever connection between the Qobuz app and upmpdcli. My wife's iPhone and iPad can control upmpdcli (via Linn Kazoo) but she has not installed the Qobuz app. If you have no experience with upmpdcli and want to try it, you can install it on a laptop or on a desktop (or on a Raspberry Pi) an see whether it fits your needs or not. If you need assistance, just let me know. Best, nbpf.