NDX and Chord Hugo

Posted by: Foxman50 on 18 April 2014

I have been contemplating adding a DAC to my NDX/XPS2 to see (or should that be hear) what it can bring to the party. And so thought it about time i made inroads into Having a few home demos. After looking around at products that are within my budget i came across the Chord Hugo DAC.

 

Although it is meant to be a portable headphone unit, it can be used as a full line level fixed DAC.

 

The dealer lent me a TQ black digital coax lead, which have twist grip plugs. This was required as the present batch of Hugo's have a case design fault that wont allow any decent cable to fit, soon to be rectified. Thankfully the TQ just manages to hang on to the coax port.

 

Once all connected and gone through the minimal setup procedure of the Hugo, what does the red LED mean again, i left it to warm up for half an hour.

 

Poured a beer and sat down for an evenings listening.

 

What was that, where did that come from, that's what that instrument is. OMG, as my little'n would say, Where is it getting all this detail from.

 

After spending last night and today with it, all i can say is that it has totally transformed my system from top to bottom. I never considered my NDX to be veiled or shut in, not even sure that's the correct terms. All i can say is its opened up the sound stage and space around instruments. Everything I've put through it has had my toes, feet and legs tapping away to the music.

 

Even putting the toe tapping, the resolution the clarity to one side, what its greatest achievement for me has been in making albums that I've had trouble listening too enjoyable now.

 

One added bonus is that it has made the XPS redundant. I cannot hear any difference with it in or out of the system.

 

While i thought a DAC may make a change in the degree of the jump from ND5 to NDX, i was not prepared for this. Anyone looking at adding a PSU to there NDX may want to check this unit out first.

 

For me this has to be the bargain of the year.

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Foxman50
Originally Posted by KRM:

The relevance of the What Hi-Fi review is that it contains the opinion of a professional reviewer comparing the Hugo to a Naim DAC. It may be that writing for a magazine renders any opinions inferior to cvrle's, but I found it interesting that they clearly loved it, but appeared to stop short of claiming it is an NDS beater. 

 

I totally agree that the fact that Naimees here are making this claim suggests that this is a remarkable product and these views should be taken very seriously. I would want to hear a Hugo if I was looking to buy a DAC today. Also, I know how it feels to report something here that defies normal hi fi logic, having been a AQ ethernet early adopter.

 

Feelings not hurt, by the way :-)

I tend to take all reviews with a pinch of salt. At the end of the day my ears are mine and no one elses. If a reviewer says Hugo is the bees knees, well good for him, but it doesn't mean i will feel the sam, even though thats exactly how i do feel. But there maybe many who prefer the V1 in there setup,

 

To me reviews are great to find out what kit is around and what functions they have, nothing more.

 

Having said all that its always nice to have an item you've purchased regarded highly in reviews

 

Graeme

 

Just to add i'm never keen on saying that one piece of kit is better than another, but i defy anyone to add a Hugo on the end of an NDX and say they don't prefer it.

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by KRM

Hi Graeme,

 

Yes, reviewers' opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt, but this goes for all opinions, including yours and mine. My trustee dealer doesn't stock Chord so I can't easily do your NDX-Hugo challenge, but I will be discussing it with him.

 

Keith

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by tonym

Wrong of me to make comparisons between my QBD76 & the Hugo, but people whose opinions I trust tell me they're remarkably similar in sound. Not surprising given their parentage I suppose. The Hugo wasn't around when I bought my Chord but hey ho, I enjoy excellent sound so I've no regrets.

 

I do have a V1 in a second system and it's a really excellent device. Not as good as the Chord but, in isolation, it sounds superb, is such a lovely thing and I enjoy the convenience of remote control (I use it with several digital sources there)

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Foxman50

If chord have produced such a good sounding DAC in Hugo, how much better can they make it to sell as the upgrade to the QBD. i understand the diminishing returns argument, but each step up in cost still has to supply a sizeable upgrade in SQ.

 

But then i suppose this is all dependent on the funds one has to spend.

 

Graeme 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by analogmusic

Dear Wat,

 

I am also an apple user, and run this software in 2 ways

 

1) through bootcamp and windows installation

2) through a VMware fusion virtual machine. I have an SSD installed in my Macbook pro, and boosted RAM to 8GB to make the virtual machine run smoothly

 

I also have a native Windows machine

 

 

 

@AM thank you for the DSP info. It is unfortunate I can try the program as i am a Dedicated Follower of Apples, but it does look interesting. 

 

I applaud Naim for allowing this thread to flourish. 

 

All the best, Wat 

 

 

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by Wat:

I applaud Naim for allowing this thread to flourish. 

+1

 

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Jude2012
Originally Posted by Foxman50:

If chord have produced such a good sounding DAC in Hugo, how much better can they make it to sell as the upgrade to the QBD. i understand the diminishing returns argument, but each step up in cost still has to supply a sizeable upgrade in SQ.

 

But then i suppose this is all dependent on the funds one has to spend.

 

Graeme 

I'm not sure Chord have to produce a better sounding DAC, they IMO, need to make a better product.   Being clear, in my mind, the SQ and the Product are two different things.

 

A better product for me, and no doubt some others, would be having the Hugo SQ with the features of the V1 or strip out the Headphone, 'pre-amp' and battery, selling it as a pure DAC.

 

Unless, I have missed something in this thread, I have not seen accounts of the Hugo being used directly into a NAP.

 

This is all good news, even if the Hugo tech comes out in another Chord, Naim, or another brand's product in the future.

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by james n
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Originally Posted by Wat:

I applaud Naim for allowing this thread to flourish. 

+1

 

 

Yes - quite a change from the Lavry wars a few years back...

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by lovethatsound
Hi jan, how r you getting on with the wireworld supper nova 7 optical cable and what end did you order 2 fit the hugo? Ps does it do 24/192 as well? Thanks in advance. lts
Posted on: 01 June 2014 by likesmusic
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Originally Posted by Wat:

I applaud Naim for allowing this thread to flourish. 

+1

 

 

Me too. Maybe vervent will make Chord an offer they can't refuse

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Foxman50
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Originally Posted by Wat:

I applaud Naim for allowing this thread to flourish. 

+1

 

 

+ 1 have to say didn't expect it to get the response it has

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Just to say, there is definitely a burn in period as others have said with the Hugo. Brand new it sounds quite good, but it then hardens and sounds (quite disturbingly) more conventionally digital over the next 20 hours or so, and then at approx 24~26 (well at least for my model) hours continuous play it starts to sound like a Hugo (I must admit I was a little  relieved   ) , ie that natural clear textured rendering with complete absence of etch or digital sharpness comes back into my music room...

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Harry
Originally Posted by KRM:

My trustee dealer doesn't stock Chord so I can't easily do your NDX-Hugo challenge, but I will be discussing it with him.

I'm rather inclined to also, out of curiosity. Could be a fun way of spending a summer week end. I wonder if they can get hold of one? I wonder if they could more easily obtain one with more than one curious punter forming a queue? HDX/Hugo/552. Why not? Just for fun. Might go somewhere, might not. I'm also quite keen to hear if they have listened to one because they tend not to BS.

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Foxman50

Simon 

 

i experienced exactly the same. I thought i had made a mistake but it comes together in the end. After a few weeks i'd swear it improved even more, but then maybe i'm kidding myself. Every new album is a revelation

 

Graeme

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Now Harry, if you do that, I for one would certainly be interested to hear your views.

Simon

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Graeme, I believe it.. It's not quite the same yet as the well run in demo I was using, but getting close... wow listening to a slow solo jazz trumpet right now, with the birds singing outside... strange feeling.

Simon

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Foxman50

Maybe they are also appreciating Hugo also and singing along 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Originally Posted by lovethatsound:
Hi jan, how r you getting on with the wireworld supper nova 7 optical cable and what end did you order 2 fit the hugo? Ps does it do 24/192 as well? Thanks in advance. lts

I'm not getting on with it, because neither end fits the effing small hole on the Hugo's optical input...

 

Back to the stock optical that came with the Hugo, and a cheap one I picked up at a music store. Is the optical slightly softer than the coax when feeding from the UnitiServe ? Possibly, but I can't say there is a strong and consistent difference between the two.

 

The Hugo seems quite cable agnostic.

 

Can anyone recommend a good USB to mini-USB cable ?

 

Jan

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Kevin Richardson
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:
Originally Posted by lovethatsound:
Hi jan, how r you getting on with the wireworld supper nova 7 optical cable and what end did you order 2 fit the hugo? Ps does it do 24/192 as well? Thanks in advance. lts

I'm not getting on with it, because neither end fits the effing small hole on the Hugo's optical input...

 

Back to the stock optical that came with the Hugo, and a cheap one I picked up at a music store. Is the optical slightly softer than the coax when feeding from the UnitiServe ? Possibly, but I can't say there is a strong and consistent difference between the two.

 

The Hugo seems quite cable agnostic.

 

Can anyone recommend a good USB to mini-USB cable ?

 

Jan

Jan -

 

I think you need a usb micro for the Hugo.

Are you using a Lunar rca->DIN for your Hugo?

My quest is nearly complete.

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Jan-Erik Nordoen

Hi Kevin,

 

No, using a Chord Cable Company Cobra RCA to DIN, as the RCAs fit the Hugo. Not sure if the Lunar plugs will.

 

Thanks for the update. We were preoccupied.

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Kevin Richardson
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

Hi Kevin,

 

No, using a Chord Cable Company Cobra RCA to DIN, as the RCAs fit the Hugo. Not sure if the Lunar plugs will.

 

Thanks for the update. We were preoccupied.

Thanks.  I think they use the same plugs as the RCA HiLine.  I'll let you know if the HiLine fits the Hugo.  Nothing is ever easy...

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Originally Posted by Wat:

I would also say professional reviewer is simply a journalist. I don't see how he is any more qualified than any of us to make a judgement on sound quality. That doesn't mean reviews are worthless because they alert an interested reader about a product that if you are thinking of buying may be worth considering. Plus the commentary of Jan who posts here is always interesting to read. 

Thank you Wat for the kind words. I agree that journalist is the better term. I'm never sure what is meant by 'professional' when the term professional reviewer is used. Does this mean one who makes his living from it or one who approaches the job professionally ? 

 

Jan

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by aht

Jan,

 

I think it means that the writer is paid for his reviews.  Whether he can "earn his living" from that income is another matter.  The issue here, of course, is potential conflict of interest, although personally I think these concerns are overblown in most instances, but not all.

 

 

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Aleg
 

 

The Hugo seems quite cable agnostic.

 

Can anyone recommend a good USB to mini-USB cable ?

 

Jan

Some dealers supply the Hugo with a Vertere d-fi usb-to-micro usb cable.

Posted on: 01 June 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

The Hiline (Phono to DIN) fits the current version of the Hugo with the modified case. It's what I am using here. I have had no issue with connections thus far.. Perhaps most of the challenges referred to the original mk1 case.

Simon