NDX and Chord Hugo
Posted by: Foxman50 on 18 April 2014
I have been contemplating adding a DAC to my NDX/XPS2 to see (or should that be hear) what it can bring to the party. And so thought it about time i made inroads into Having a few home demos. After looking around at products that are within my budget i came across the Chord Hugo DAC.
Although it is meant to be a portable headphone unit, it can be used as a full line level fixed DAC.
The dealer lent me a TQ black digital coax lead, which have twist grip plugs. This was required as the present batch of Hugo's have a case design fault that wont allow any decent cable to fit, soon to be rectified. Thankfully the TQ just manages to hang on to the coax port.
Once all connected and gone through the minimal setup procedure of the Hugo, what does the red LED mean again, i left it to warm up for half an hour.
Poured a beer and sat down for an evenings listening.
What was that, where did that come from, that's what that instrument is. OMG, as my little'n would say, Where is it getting all this detail from.
After spending last night and today with it, all i can say is that it has totally transformed my system from top to bottom. I never considered my NDX to be veiled or shut in, not even sure that's the correct terms. All i can say is its opened up the sound stage and space around instruments. Everything I've put through it has had my toes, feet and legs tapping away to the music.
Even putting the toe tapping, the resolution the clarity to one side, what its greatest achievement for me has been in making albums that I've had trouble listening too enjoyable now.
One added bonus is that it has made the XPS redundant. I cannot hear any difference with it in or out of the system.
While i thought a DAC may make a change in the degree of the jump from ND5 to NDX, i was not prepared for this. Anyone looking at adding a PSU to there NDX may want to check this unit out first.
For me this has to be the bargain of the year.
I want to connect my Hugo via either RCA->RCA or RCA->Din cable in a NDX->HUGO->SN2. Is there any issue leaving the NDX connected to SN2 via Din?
I'm using Chord Anthem 2 RCA-DIN into SN2 to great effect.
G
4th day with Hugo here. I do not have an NDX and have never heard it. I have heard the NDS (sorry can't remember the PS) at a demo. I currently have a Qute and the Nait 2 from way back.
The Hugo impresses greatly with resolution and imaging. Instruments sound real and it is easy to follow them in a mix. A highly resolved and polished presentation, both melodically and rhythmically and seemingly free of any harshness or 'hardness'.
But IMHO it sounds 'polite' for lack of a better word. I do not get the usual goose bumps nor the adrenalin flow that I am addicted to. I hope this will change with more break in, but I am now anxious to hear the next gen Naim DAC, hopefully soon!
Any better after a week?
I am no where near the 100 hrs break-in time yet that the dealer is suggesting but I would say that the answer is - yes. I find that the volume needs to be louder than I am accustomed to but it is better after the 50 hours or so that it has played! I am quite optimistic and look forward to further improvement.
Wouldn't you know it- after the battery ran down using it as the portable, Hugo would not 'function' when plugged back in! I was calling up the dealer not realizing the need to wait the while for it to charge back up! Obviously it does not run off the a/c! Silly me!
Wouldn't you know it- after the battery ran down using it as the portable, Hugo would not 'function' when plugged back in!
This happened to me too and it can be a little unnerving.
As the designer explains : the battery charger senses the battery voltage. If the batteries are fully depleted, then you need to charge with very low currents, a current level that is not enough to turn on the FPGA, so it takes some time to get its initial charge. Once the battery voltage is at a safe level, it will go into full charge mode, which is enough to power Hugo and charge the battery. If it flashes red at you, turn off the unit, then re-charge,...
Wouldn't you know it- after the battery ran down using it as the portable, Hugo would not 'function' when plugged back in!
This happened to me too and it can be a little unnerving.
As the designer explains : the battery charger senses the battery voltage. If the batteries are fully depleted, then you need to charge with very low currents, a current level that is not enough to turn on the FPGA, so it takes some time to get its initial charge. Once the battery voltage is at a safe level, it will go into full charge mode, which is enough to power Hugo and charge the battery. If it flashes red at you, turn off the unit, then re-charge,...
I cant think of anything more unnerving than walking down the street with Hugo in my pocket and expensive headphones fixed to my ears. Think ill leave it on the rack.
You're not the first. As Victor Hugo wrote in Les Miserables (p 155):
"I put it in my pocket. A minute later, I feel in my pocket. There's nothing there"
First of all you have to hand it to Naim that they haven't found some reason to zap this tread.
I had a look around my usual fora and interestingly (well to me anyway) is that PFM and Tir na HIFI also have a buzz about the Hugo, whereas the Linn forum and the Wam have hardly a mention.
Also I find it notable that no-one here has preferred the Naim nDAC if they compared it to the Hugo (or at least I've missed it if they have).
Gets me to wondering if there is some synergy going on here between Hugo DAC and Naim amplification or is it just something in the water?
SJB
First of all you have to hand it to Naim that they haven't found some reason to zap this tread.
I had a look around my usual fora and interestingly (well to me anyway) is that PFM and Tir na HIFI also have a buzz about the Hugo, whereas the Linn forum and the Wam have hardly a mention.
Also I find it notable that no-one here has preferred the Naim nDAC if they compared it to the Hugo (or at least I've missed it if they have).
Gets me to wondering if there is some synergy going on here between Hugo DAC and Naim amplification or is it just something in the water?
SJB
Could be but there's 319 pages of mostly positive comments on Head Fi. Not too many Naimees over there. The Hugo appears to "synergise" with just about everything.
First of all you have to hand it to Naim that they haven't found some reason to zap this tread.
I had a look around my usual fora and interestingly (well to me anyway) is that PFM and Tir na HIFI also have a buzz about the Hugo, whereas the Linn forum and the Wam have hardly a mention.
Also I find it notable that no-one here has preferred the Naim nDAC if they compared it to the Hugo (or at least I've missed it if they have).
Gets me to wondering if there is some synergy going on here between Hugo DAC and Naim amplification or is it just something in the water?
SJB
I don't know why they would lock this thread. I think Naim would be the first to admit they can't be at the forefront of all the categories of equipment they produce all the time and I'm confident they will fight back as they always did.
First of all you have to hand it to Naim that they haven't found some reason to zap this tread.
I had a look around my usual fora and interestingly (well to me anyway) is that PFM and Tir na HIFI also have a buzz about the Hugo, whereas the Linn forum and the Wam have hardly a mention.
Also I find it notable that no-one here has preferred the Naim nDAC if they compared it to the Hugo (or at least I've missed it if they have).
Gets me to wondering if there is some synergy going on here between Hugo DAC and Naim amplification or is it just something in the water?
SJB
I don't know why they would lock this thread. I think Naim would be the first to admit they can't be at the forefront of all the categories of equipment they produce all the time and I'm confident they will fight back as they always did.
I am anxiously awaiting the inevitable British HiFi price wars.
Problem with my Hugo…… While listening to Hendrix's "Are You Experienced", I suddenly wanted to get really stoned. Is this normal or should I call my dealer?
Get the old bong out of the attic Kevin.
I should be be getting a Hugo for demo at the end of next week courtesy of Paul at HiFi Lounge to cross reference between it and the PS Audio DirectStream DAC, the two DACs on my short list.
But Steve, your profile says no digital source allowed. Is Hugo going where none have gone before, boldly or otherwise?
Problem with my Hugo…… While listening to Hendrix's "Are You Experienced", I suddenly wanted to get really stoned. Is this normal or should I call my dealer?
I would try a dealer first and if that fails try someone who sell HiFi equipment.
Kevin,
Whatever you do, don't play Jefferson Airplane's 'Surrealistic Pillow' over your Hugo!
Hmack
Kevin,
Whatever you do, don't play Jefferson Airplane's 'Surrealistic Pillow' over your Hugo!
Hmack
Nor 'After Bathing at Baxters' either.
Sloop John,
I upgraded my DAC from the nDAC to the Bel Canto 3.5vb a few weeks ago. Now this is great in my system, but I do wish I had held off for a few weeks and seen the hullabaloo about the Hugo.
I am consoling myself with the following thoughts:
1. Love what I am hearing;
2. Any system is a sum of parts, and the DAC is only one of them;
3. There is no certainty that in my system the Hugo would be a step up; and
4. The world moves on - I will benefit when I next update.
But given another few weeks I would have made sure that I auditioned the Hugo too - as you will.
M
Interesting write up of PS Audio's DirectStream DAC in the August edition of Hi FI News for those that are interested.
Now if only they compared to Hugo
My totally uneducated view is that folks are using a "portable" dac at home. Might it be somewhat predictable that Chord would (will) adapt this for full-time home use, sans battery? The battery 'thing' seems a bit odd. I would assume that there is more to come using the basic architecture of the Hugo, again, sans battery.
In the hugo, one of the finest digital converters in the world-and it just happens to be portable. It works brilliantly as a fixed-level output DAC, but has an excellent digital volume control that can drive a power amplifier with ease, and is also great powering a good set of headphones. This is a landmark product because it makes all flavours of digital sound so nice to listen to . And as many of my fellow vinyl aficionados will agree, that takes some doing.
They're so right. Love my hugo, love my hdx
Having had the Hugo set up in my system, I removed it briefly and returned to the ND5 SX. The benefits of the Hugo are now more evident to me than when I first set it up. I shall definitely be retaining the Hugo, and will eventually compare the ND5/Hugo combination with my Klimax Renew (which doesn't have any digital inputs, other than Ethernet, or outputs)
On another matter, I then decided to download a number of sample DSD files with a view to trying them out using the HD USB input on the Hugo, then realised I have no idea whatsoever how to do this. Can anyone help?
I have a Windows (Windows 7) laptop, and have installed the Windows drivers that come with the Hugo. I have changed the Hugo input setting from co-axial (red) to HD USB input (white). What else do I need on my laptop to stream DSD files (or FLAC) to the HD USB input on the Hugo. Do I need to install a media server that supports DSD? If so, what would you recommend.
Thanks.
Having had the Hugo set up in my system, I removed it briefly and returned to the ND5 SX. The benefits of the Hugo are now more evident to me than when I first set it up. I shall definitely be retaining the Hugo, and will eventually compare the ND5/Hugo combination with my Klimax Renew (which doesn't have any digital inputs, other than Ethernet, or outputs)
On another matter, I then decided to download a number of sample DSD files with a view to trying them out using the HD USB input on the Hugo, then realised I have no idea whatsoever how to do this. Can anyone help?
I have a Windows (Windows 7) laptop, and have installed the Windows drivers that come with the Hugo. I have changed the Hugo input setting from co-axial (red) to HD USB input (white). What else do I need on my laptop to stream DSD files (or FLAC) to the HD USB input on the Hugo. Do I need to install a media server that supports DSD? If so, what would you recommend.
Thanks.
JRiver Media Center is an excellent media player that will play DSD files natively and if you wish even convert PCM to DSD on the fly. It is free for a month, so you've very little to lose giving a try. You'd just need the appropriate USB lead to connect your laptop to your Hugo. JRMC does a very good job with redbook rips too imo, and is excellent for managing metadata and searching and organising your music. If you take to it there is also a superb remote control app called JRemote which runs on iPads and iPhones.
You can also use Foobar for playing dsd to Hugo and that one is free, forever.
just Google foobar dop or foorbar dsd over pcm
BTW it isn't required to switch to Hd USB for playback of DSD, I noticed it also works when using SPDIF, which I prefer because my USB/SPDIF converter is better than Hugo's.
cheers
Aleg
But Steve, your profile says no digital source allowed. Is Hugo going where none have gone before, boldly or otherwise?
That's perceptive Nigel. I've put together an iTunes library to stream to two other devices in the house so I thought I may as well hook it up to the main system via a DAC for background music whilst I work on my computer. This will add a little life to my Kandid. I'll have to change my profile?
ATB
Steve
Likesmusic and Aleg,
Thanks for your replies. I have downloaded and installed JRiver Media Center on my laptop, & might try Foobar later. JRiver looks quite slick though, and doesn't cost too much so I may stick with it.
A couple of things. Just noticed that the DSD files I have downloaded have file extensions of DSF and DFF which I believe is what's expected. They appear to play perfectly through the Hugo via JRiver, However, one thing is not as expected. The Hugo manual states that the frequency colour should change to 'White' when playing DSD files. When I play these files over USB, the frequency light is displayed as 'Red' or 'Orange' (indicating 44KHz or 48KHz - difficult to tell which). Is there an incorrect configuration setting in JRiver?
I also had an additional problem in that my laptop had to be physically close to the Hugo and I was getting a bit of background noise breakthrough which appeared to be rated to hard disk activity. I guess the logistics of using a USB connection are just a little too problematic for me.
Hmaok .. as I don't have a Hugo I can only point you in roughly the right direction re JRiver.
Firstly, I'd be inclined to believe the lights on the Hugo, thus there is possibly transcoding going on in JRiver. First check the Audio Path by clicking on the "Audio Path" icon, which is underneath and to the left of the search box in the header of the standard view. This icon lights up blue if no processing or transcoding is taking place; when you click it it will show what is going into JRiver and what is going out. I suspect the Audio Path icon isn't blue, which would indicate JRiver needs setting up..
In which case, check your settings. Tools > Options > Audio > ..
Check that the Audio Device is set to your DAC
If your DAC has a native ASIO driver (it'll say ASIO next to the Audio Device), go into Device Settings and select DSP bitstream in DoP format (and possibly device only uses most significatn 24 bits)
If your DAC shows up with [WASAPI] next to it, then Click the "Bitstreaming" dropdown in Settings
and pick DSD.
In either case, if you want to convert PCM to DSD (just to see what happens) go into DSP & Output Format and switch the Output Encoding to DSD.
Hope this helps. Alas I haven't got a Hugo so can't be more precise. Give me a shout if you get stuck. JRiver has lots of options which can be a bit confusing to start with.
A bit worrying that the Hugo is sensitive to noise from your pc. Worth figuring out whether it is from the physical proximity of the pc, or coming down the USB cable. In the latter case some isolation may be possible.